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FightThisPatent 11-25-2003 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

paying money to find something that's already been found for free is silly.


You should be telling that to all the IP firms that hire "professional" prior art searchers. Attention Gregory Aharonian (http://www.bustpatents.com/).... your services are not needed (he sells prior art finds...has an Acacia prior art package..costs about $5,000).

You should tell that to the defendant's who are paying money for prior art searches.

(Now i understand another reason why you don't suport the IMPA...they are spending money in finding prior art, so since prior art is freely found, they are pissing away hard earned webmaster contributions)

I have never been paid for my efforts.. it has all been done for free.

If i was charging, then i can understand your viewpoint that i might be scamming people by packaging up "freely" available prior art and selling it to them.

And since prior art is found as easily as growing on trees...then you must think the USPTO is REALLY, REALLY stupid for granting this patent in the first place.



Fight the Ignorance!

12clicks 11-25-2003 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
My pictures will be jerked off to long after you are gone and forgotten.
ahhhhh, the simple accomplishments of the simple mind.
If only my goals were so easily reached.
:1orglaugh

12clicks 11-25-2003 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FightThisPatent



You should be telling that to all the IP firms that hire "professional" prior art searchers. Attention Gregory Aharonian (http://www.bustpatents.com/).... your services are not needed (he sells prior art finds...has an Acacia prior art package..costs about $5,000).

You should tell that to the defendant's who are paying money for prior art searches.

(Now i understand another reason why you don't suport the IMPA...they are spending money in finding prior art, so since prior art is freely found, they are pissing away hard earned webmaster contributions)

I have never been paid for my efforts.. it has all been done for free.

If i was charging, then i can understand your viewpoint that i might be scamming people by packaging up "freely" available prior art and selling it to them.

And since prior art is found as easily as growing on trees...then you must think the USPTO is REALLY, REALLY stupid for granting this patent in the first place.



Fight the Ignorance!

The prior art to fight this patent was found long before you.
taking credit for it in an attempt to carve out a job for you to fight future patents fools no one.

Paul Markham 11-25-2003 09:45 AM

Great post Brandon.

12clicks what did you base your decision on the patent being ivalid, have you told the Patent Office and does judge Ware no of your momentous decision?

Unfortunately your opinions again show how arrogant and ingnorant of the situation you are. Because even though you have decreed the patent invalid there is a little thing called a court that needs to verify your decision.

YOU ARE TRYING TO UNDO THE TWO ORGANISATIONS WHO ARE WORKING TO GET THE PATENTS INVALIDATED. What do you suggest we do to get these patents turned down?

Quote:

Pretending that other patent claims are coming and that they aren't valid either is just a cry for a job.
And you know for a fact that there are no other patents in line to come down on us. Where did you get this piece of information from?

Gemini 11-25-2003 09:49 AM

Paying someone who has a NAME in the area of finding such 'prior art' might seem frivolous but it is a wise move... professional witnesses actually DO carry more weight than some joe off the street. Whether it's in front of a jury OR just the judge.

I'm not sure what this guys prior involvement might end up doing to the case since I haven't had time to sit and read exactly what he was supposed to have done for Ac*cia. That would be the only concern to me.

12clicks 11-25-2003 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by charly
Great post Brandon.

12clicks what did you base your decision on the patent being ivalid, have you told the Patent Office and does judge Ware no of your momentous decision?

Unfortunately your opinions again show how arrogant and ingnorant of the situation you are. Because even though you have decreed the patent invalid there is a little thing called a court that needs to verify your decision.

That's right dopey and if I were in court, I'd be proving it.

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
YOU ARE TRYING TO UNDO THE TWO ORGANISATIONS WHO ARE WORKING TO GET THE PATENTS INVALIDATED. What do you suggest we do to get these patents turned down?
what two orginizations are you speaking of?
Quote:

Originally posted by charly
And you know for a fact that there are no other patents in line to come down on us. Where did you get this piece of information from?
No, I just don't pay money because someone says their might be a monster.

see you asshats after lunch/.:thumbsup

FightThisPatent 11-25-2003 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

The prior art to fight this patent was found long before you.
taking credit for it in an attempt to carve out a job for you to fight future patents fools no one.


Update your notes.... i took down the FTPF idea.. I'm off doing my consulting and my own ventures....

Finding prior art is a hobby...one that i continue to do. Bringing awareness to other companies (adult and mainstream) is a hobby.... one that I continue to do.

I was active in bringing awareness and finding prior art, BEFORE the concept of Fight the Patent Foundation...taking down the idea, does not change what i started back on August 12th, nor my committment to IMPA and the defendants, or concerned webmasters to continue my efforts.

So all you have left to criticize is what? That i post news and info to help webmasters?


Maybe i just do queer-eye-for-the-straight-guy type posts like talking about one's house like you did in this thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=189146


Would that be better for you? I could talk about how cool my truck is.

Fight the Fab!

CDSmith 11-25-2003 09:57 AM

Round and round we go,
where this thread stops,
nobody knows.

steffie 11-25-2003 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jimbo


I hate you all that did

Hate away, but think like that,,

If (la la la) somebody bought at 1.50 and sold at 8.00 they have enough to at least fly to CA to stand at their own Court hearing

Hammer 11-25-2003 10:04 AM

Here's the funny thing about a pissing contest. Even though one of the pissers may appear to have won in the end... they're still BOTH covered in piss.

Paul Markham 11-25-2003 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks


ahhhhh, the simple accomplishments of the simple mind.
If only my goals were so easily reached.
:1orglaugh

If it were that simple a lot more would be at my level, but again you show your ignorance.

So what are your goals?

Mine are to live long enough to see my second daughter married, I'm 53 and have a young wife and young daughter. Be happy and make my wife and daughter happy.

Everything else has been accomplished.

Paul Markham 11-25-2003 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

That's right dopey and if I were in court, I'd be proving it.

So why discredit those who are in court in your place?

You are so discredited.

CD Smith it stops when that fool sees sense, probably never. Cant see through the piss on his face. :1orglaugh

goBigtime 11-25-2003 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TaDoW
not that I like them, but... you might wanna check out their 6m "value"

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=ACTG&t=6m

What brought them up (press, exposure) will ultimately be their downfall in my opinion.

FightThisPatent 11-25-2003 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hammer
Here's the funny thing about a pissing contest. Even though one of the pissers may appear to have won in the end... they're still BOTH covered in piss.

That yellow color on me is my yellow raincoat....taking it off now that the storm has passed.


Fight the author of Yellow River!

Paul Markham 11-25-2003 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by goBigtime


What brought them up (press, exposure) will ultimately be their downfall in my opinion.

One of the things that Brandon has been working on. I'm going to put a button on my site to show the surfers what is happening, anyone else feel that brave?

12clicks
Well thanks for the chance to show everyone we both stand. Me I'm off home for dinner and relaxing. Will not be back to this thread tomorrow when I come back to the office.

CDSmith 11-25-2003 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
So why discredit those who are in court in your place?
I wasn't aware that Brandon was in court fighting Acacia. Is he?

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
CD Smith it stops when that fool sees sense, probably never. Cant see through the piss on his face. :1orglaugh
Seems to me you're both covered in it.



53? I thought you were....... older.

FightThisPatent 11-25-2003 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
I wasn't aware that Brandon was in court fighting Acacia. Is he?


the reference was to the 11 defendants, your peers, who are putting their own money in to defend their companies, as well as the rest of the webmasters. I am not involved in litigation.

I shutdown my (mainstream) website/service in order to become vocal. Was just about to be charging for the service (almost done with beta testing), when i read about Acacia.. and felt it was bogus since i personally downloaded audio/video fies from BBS prior to 1990.

The more research i did, the more solid i was convinced that this was a bogus patent claim.

Instead of sitting back and waiting to see if I would be targeted, i took up the activism and became vocal.

Got lots of bruises in the last 4 months from naysayers.. but I am driven by personal conviction about fighting against what is wrong. There are enough webmasters that support my efforts, that I know that I am not alone in my concerns..nor is my time wasted.


Fight the Waiting!

CDSmith 11-25-2003 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FightThisPatent
the reference was to the 11 defendants, your peers, who are putting their own money in to defend their companies, as well as the rest of the webmasters. I am not involved in litigation.

I shutdown my (mainstream) website/service in order to become vocal. Was just about to be charging for the service (almost done with beta testing), when i read about Acacia.. and felt it was bogus since i personally downloaded audio/video fies from BBS prior to 1990.

The more research i did, the more solid i was convinced that this was a bogus patent claim.

Instead of sitting back and waiting to see if I would be targeted, i took up the activism and became vocal.

Got lots of bruises in the last 4 months from naysayers.. but I am driven by personal conviction about fighting against what is wrong. There are enough webmasters that support my efforts, that I know that I am not alone in my concerns..nor is my time wasted.


Fight the Waiting!

I on the other hand, did NOT take my sites down. I continue to run my network and conduct business as usual, and continue to develop new business. What I decided to do at the onset of this patent issue was..... since I recognized Acacia's claims and attempts for what it was --- that being blatant extortion..... I donated some money to IMPA, also went somewhat vocal on the boards to support them and rally for donations, and set aside some sig space for them as well.

I will continue to do what I can, and if everything you were attempting to do was on the up-and-up I applaud you, but I just see that there is already an organization directly fighting my fight, so I chose to support them 100% instead of dividing up my allegiance.


Wipe away all the needless jabbering on this thread and what is left is the fact that the IMPA can use more donation money from webmasters. What is also left is the fact that some have bought and profited from Acacia stock. Beyond that, nothing else really matters here.

FightThisPatent 11-25-2003 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
I will continue to do what I can, and if everything you were attempting to do was on the up-and-up I applaud you, but I just see that there is already an organization directly fighting my fight, so I chose to support them 100% instead of dividing up my allegiance.


Great! so there are no more issues with you then... i have and continue to do what i have always stated, bringing awareness and finding prior art...and I have taken down my "competing" organization (proposal).

Now that there is no "Fight the Patent Foundation" proposal, Ron, so why aren't you supporting IMPA?

Oh, sorry, forgot....you don't see a need for an organization to fight since every webmaster should take care of the issues by themselves.



Fight the Island!

12clicks 11-25-2003 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
So why discredit those who are in court in your place?

You are so discredited.

ahhh, so now brandon is not only an "orginization" he's also in court in my place"
someone should walk you away from your computer. whether its a lie or stupidity, your posts are worthless.

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
CD Smith it stops when that fool sees sense, probably never. Cant see through the piss on his face. :1orglaugh
and the kindergarden quotes are clever for a 53 year old too.:thumbsup

beemk 11-25-2003 11:12 AM

100

i hope it keeps going down.

Gemini 11-25-2003 11:17 AM

Brandon, you *know* that there are some that will never recognize anything that they have summarily dismissed. They always take the shortcut to get out of something. So ignore them.

Paul Markham 11-25-2003 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith


FTP & Paul -- what exactly do you think will come from attacking ron reactively like this? Judging by his past piss threads, I can answer that for you..... nothing will come from it. You are pretty much wasting your time here, time better spent urging our fellow webmasters to DONATE. Firing accusations that are not based in unshakeable facts is an empty endeavor. You know it, I know it.

As far as I know, the only organization which is collectively and actively fighting Acacia and their bogus patent is the IMPA. I urge everyone to donate to the cause..... tgp'ers, gallery makers, designers, promoters, traffic brokers, free site webmasters, models, actors, EVERYONE.... the outcome of this issue will affect all of you. If you think otherwise then you have your head buried in the sand.

Donate, and shaddaaap with the arguing. We're all on the same side.

Well it seems not all of us are on the same side. This was started by Ron and continued by Ron and then he goes onto discredit IMPA. We do need to show a united front, can you tell him that?

FightThisPatent 11-25-2003 11:28 AM

Should be a great radio show today about Patents, hosted by ARS

6:00pm EST today @ http://www.arsradiox.com

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=200886


ARS is one of the defendants against Acacia's patent claims.



Fight the Patent!

FightThisPatent 11-25-2003 11:31 AM

In case anyone missed the AVN writeup about last friday's meeting with the defendants, acacia, and the judge:


http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2003...112403_8.shtml


Very good news that the start of court proceedings begins Feb. 6th.


Fight the Link-Challenged!

allandk 11-25-2003 02:37 PM

this will be the end for them

http://thedaily.washington.edu/news....-Token.Count=7


UW braces for streaming-media royalty trouble

by Andrew Sengul
11/25/2003


A little-known company called Acacia Research has recently demanded royalty payments for the use of streaming media, a common Internet technology. While the company has not yet targeted the UW, other universities have been contacted, and University Computing & Communications (C&C) personnel are keeping an eye on legal options.

Acacia claims that it holds a patent on streaming media, a term that refers to all real-time transmission of audio and video over the Internet, and its typical demands have been for 1 percent to 2 percent of the revenue an organization earns from streaming media. While Acacia?s initial efforts were directed toward online pornography sites and companies like Radio Free Virgin and ioMedia.com, it has recently begun to pursue settlements from universities.

In the case of educational institutions, the company?s claim to a portion of streaming-related revenue would apply to all student fees used to fund online streaming media and all tuition paid to attend classes that use streaming media for instruction.

Professors at the University of Virginia and the University of Oregon, which have been contacted by Acacia, have stated that such a requirement would cripple their instructional capabilities.

?We?ve looked into the patent and passed it on to the Attorney General?s office,? said Jim DeRoest, the assistant director of C&C. ?If we were approached by Acacia, the UW attorneys would defend us in court.?

Streaming is a simple but efficient way of broadcasting audio and video files across the Internet. A file meant to be streamed is compressed, stored on a server and then sent to external systems piece by piece. On the receiving end, the pieces are re-assembled and played in order.

The technology?s main advantage lies in the fact that the entire file does not need to be present on the receiving computer for playback to begin. Also, Web sites that provide streaming content can do so without allowing users to permanently save audio and video files on disk.

UWTV, which provides online access to video media produced by faculty, has more than 2,000 hours of video available for streaming, and streams an average 10,000 hours of material every month.

Research Channel, an online video repository shared by the UW and other major research universities, has more than 1,800 hours of video on demand. No one has attempted to tally the total amount of streaming media whose production has been funded by University money.

Acacia holds five patents granted between 1992 and 2000. According to many information-technology experts, these include no specifics on how streaming media would be implemented, simply describing a system for transmitting compressed media files over a computer network.

The company made no attempt to capitalize on its patents during the Internet boom of the 1990s, and has thus far refrained from approaching RealNetworks, Microsoft and other major players in the streaming-media industry.

FightThisPatent 11-25-2003 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by allandk
this will be the end for them

http://thedaily.washington.edu/news....-Token.Count=7






Thanks for posting! i just tracked down Washington U attorneys from the article and will be chatting with them.


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