does our society need alcohol?

:thumbsup

Did a champagne cork smoke a family member, VDay? Seems like a lot of pent up anger geared towards alcohol seeing how you're posting it in a gun control debate/topic/moot conversation....one or the other.

Wow another Einstein..damn thats some witty argument dude...that really makes me think about life.

I'll get back to you next week when i recovered from your highly intellectual and confronting yet slightly sarcastic question.

http://wwwsrch2.doa.state.la.us/news...onPrevWeek.htm

"Even products as common as mouthwash or cosmetics can be poisonous if a child swallows a large amount. These products should be locked in cabinets that are out of a child's reach"

why isn't mouthwash banned? it's not a necessity to daily life.
and check it, look at the advice they give about mouthwash, LOCK IT UP! Maybe if guns would be treated as mouthwash, there would be less accidents.

It's harder to kill someone with a knife or a rock. Sure attacks might not go down, but fatalities would.

Read the reply i gave Veterans Day. You are at his level.

Idiot.

I'll quote you one more time so i can be sure people read your highly idiotic reply. This deserves a spot in the hall of shame for sure. God people are stupid...please make it stop.

How bout a rebuttal instead of the cop out "idiot" reply. That response is directly relevant to your car argument. Just admit it, anyone who doesn't believe in what you do, is a fool.

you got an A in debating class I see.

:BangBang: Only criminals kill

Hey Dumb fuck do you really think if they made a law preventing people from owning guns that would have been prevented?

if it was illegal to own a gun you would be leaving the citizens that obey the law no way to defend themselves from a home invasion robbery ect. . the fucking crooks don?t care if they rob or kill you so why would they give a shit about the law saying they cant have a gun. so shut your liberal pie hole I am sick of idiots like you thinking guns kill people so if we make a law prevent to ownership of them the killing will stop. Well they made a law against killing people and that still fucking happens doesn?t it

You mean the fucking planet wasnt actually rotating until henry ford invented the car? cars are nothing more then a convenience.

well in most countries that have strict gun laws MUCH fewer people are murdered by them. But as Battus says the US already has too many guns it would take decades for gun laws to work

here's :2 cents: go buy a clue.

Truly a tragedy, however, gun control wouldn't have stopped this. My blessing and regards to the family. Situations like this is why I own a gun. =/

This argument is as lame as the people who use it.

I know this is above your comprehension but cars, knives, mouthwash, etc serve a purpose other than killing.

Ahh, but now the arguement is that ALL killing is bad. I don't agree with this. Hunting for example. Self defense another.

go on killing each other, go get guns.. all of you, god bless america...
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will do. thanks.

aslong as the ppl have guns the goverment will keep it's cool....gun control look what happen when pol pot, hitler used gun control didn't go to well,huh....shit happens may her little soul rest in peace,but this is no reason for there to be gun control. no matter what crimanls will always have access to guns..


oh yeah see SIG :glugglug

and those defending themselves or loved ones from criminals.

H. A. L. O.
Handle Any Lethal Oportunity!

Yea, I'm sure your little .45 will keep an army tank from coming through your front door.

:glugglug

Nope, but the day i see an army tank driving around my neighborhood in oposition is the day i start stuffing all the styrofoam and deisel i can find into glass tubes, grab the AK the and the .40 and go to town

if you're afraid that your Government could turn into PolPot or Hitler than u have much bigger problems than gun control.

And you know this for sure? Look at the stats from Australia enacting gun control:

Has anything changed in Australia since the new laws went into effect? Between 1987 and 1996, 100 Australians were killed in mass killings of four or more people. Since the new laws went into effect, there has not been a single massacre. Moreover, in Australia, homicides committed with firearms have been declining - slowly before the Port Arthur Massacre, more sharply since - from 28 percent of all homicides in 1989-90 to 16 percent in 2001.[4] While the 1996 gun laws did not initiate the decline in firearm homicides, they appear to have accelerated it.

Along with the declining use of firearms in homicide, Australia has seen a decline in the use of firearms in armed robberies. From 1993 to 2001, the proportion of robberies committed with a firearm dropped from 16 to 6 percent.[5]

They banned guns in Australia almost completely a couple of years ago, and they crushed and burnt all regsitered firearms. Great hey? Too bad last year had one of (most likely the) highest amount of gun related deaths even. Every day (this is no exaggeration) there is another firearm incident in Sydney. 'If you criminalise the ownership of guns, only criminals will have them'.

Not to mention that most people turned in their shitty guns for the cash they were offering and boxed and burried their good ones on their property. I'm well aware of what happened in australia, however, if owning a gun is ever banned here in the states I will not relinquish my arms. You also do not have compton, long beach, or crenshaw blvd in .au either. And so long as I have to work late hours in shitty parts of LA or SD and get paid in cash leaving at 2am, I beleive I have the right to protect myself. That is actually grounds here for a consealed weapons lisence which I intend on picking up here at some point. Now, I will revert to an old saying that i used to question untill I thaught about it. Guns don't kill people, someone has to aim the gun and pull the trigger. Not to mention a gun is only a method, and if you think eliminated guns wont stop someone from stabbing you in the neck with a sharpened toothbrush at the ATM for your wallet you're dead wrong.

haha, you are a few years behind. Gang wars are ever increasing in Sydney within the Arabic community (as they like to be called), and guns crimes (in Sydney atleast) are more common than ever.

gun control-

1. An isidious plan by some who feel that the gun is to blame for crimes commited by the criminal as a basis to take away firearms from law-abiding citizens.

2. Hitting what you're aiming at.

3. To use both hands while firing.

Gun control isn't about guns, it's about control

We need "smart" bullets... fire at a kid, hit a child molester:BangBang:

if they had those in P++ high velo hollow point i would definately load up on those

just looking at what happen when they used 'gun control' the outcome wasn't too great...

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves were rounded up an exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945 13 million were thrown into concentration camps.

I have a different view, simply because of growing up in Canada. There are crimes here where guns are involved, but not all that many of them. Do I need a gun to defend myself? Certainly not. Do I want handguns to become legal? A firm NO.

But as I said before, life here is different simply because guns were never legal, there isn't as many around as in the countries where they are legal. Do I fear for my life? No, I don't even lock my doors most of the time.

In the U.S. they have always had the right to have handguns and I can see how some feel that by taking them away they are losing something they have some sort of right to have...I have never had that right...I don't feel a lost...even if offered I wouldn't want it. To me...it is numbers...the more you have of them around...the more chance there is of someone using them.

Watch bowling for columbine. Even this left wing nut moore says that is not the problem.

He starts off with the belief that the reason is there are too many guns.

Other countrys also have tons of guns, and they dont kill eathother.

sorry that is not the reason. we as amercicans are just crazy , and stressed out.

take away guns. then we will have gangstas packing sterling silver. lol.

people will use whatever to kill eachother.

I carry a pistol. and i have tons of guns at home.

I have no kids. its up to you parents to not let you kids get ahold of them.

a child should know the power of a gun this way they will respect it and not be curious then go behind your back to plau with one..teach them gun safety so they know it's not a toy.....but no matter what you teach them. there's always going to be child who fucks up..then you have these pro gun control ppl who say 'see we told you'

i'm done with this thread :glugglug

Gunshot wounds inpact severely on the criminal justice as well as health care systems. Some basic statistics are important in understanding the magnitude and severity of the social and economic burden to the U.S.

In the U.S. for 1998, there were 30,708 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 17,424; Homicide 12,102; Accident 866; Undetermined 316. This makes firearms injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S. The number of firearms-related injuries in the U.S., both fatal and non-fatal, increased through 1993, but has since declined steadily.(CDC, 2001) However, firearms injuries remain the second leading cause of injury-related death in the U.S., particularly among youth (Cherry et al, 1998).

The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable--over 200,000 per year in the U.S. Many of these injuries require hospitalization and trauma care. A 1994 study revealed the cost per injury requiring admission to a trauma center was over $14,000. The cumulative lifetime cost in 1985 for gunshot wounds was estimated to be $911 million, with $13.4 billion in lost productivity. (Mock et al, 1994) The cost of the improper use of firearms in Canada was estimated at $6.6 billion per year. (Chapdelaine and Maurice, 1996)

The rates of firearms deaths in the U.S. vary significantly by race and sex. The national average is 11.3 deaths per 100,000 population. The highest rate is 41.6/100,000 for African-American males, more than double the rate of 16.2/100,000 for white males. For females in the U.S., the rate is 3.3/100,000. (CDC, 2000) In contrast, death rates from firearms for western European nations range from 0.1 to 0.5/100,000.

Firearms Death Rate (per 100,000) for Young Males in Selected Countries - 1993
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Firearms Deaths by Mode of Death for Children <15 Years of Age
Top 10 Countries - Rate per 100,000
Now lets see the difference between countries where they are legal (US) and the countries where its illegal (basically the rest of the countries shown here)
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I live in Australia. Here guns are pretty much banned unless you
are a farmer. From this perspective I can say that the anti-gun
control people do have a very good point.

We've now had tight gun control in Australia for maybe 10 years.
Over this time the hand-gun crime has gone up a great deal.
Criminals now have less trouble getting guns as the black market
has flouristed with the removal of legal licenced guns from the
market. (There was a marketing campaigne on this point by the
NRA recently, I must say they blew our statistics way up. The
problem here isn't quite as large as the NRA suggests, but it does
exist and illegal guns are much easier to get.)

Also we are on the doorstep of asian with an under resourced
and under manned military without adaquate defences for our
north. Now that most of our guns have been destroyed anyone
with a brain can see that we are less able to defend our country.

It's a hard one.

I'd say in America the problem isn't so much the amount of guns
but the violent culture. Most places in the world would rather see
Jannets naked breat then a murder. I'm sure if she was a
gangsta rapper and had a bunch of girls with prop M16s then
there wouldn't be a problem.

I remember someone posting a pic of a Euro girl walking naked
down the street and a lot of people from the US were
screaming "Kids could see!!!" however these same people
wouldn't have a problem with their kids watching Terminator.

Having guns does mean that sooner or later someone gets hurt
by them. However having a culture that says it's more sexy to kill
then to strip is probably a much larger part of the problem.

-Ben

I was raised around firearms, and was taught everything about them. Whent to seal pups, had cops for aunts & uncles, I almost whent into Jr. Olympics for target pistol and rifle. The gun quickly lost it's mysterious draw, and became more of a form of positive recreation at the range. Safe gun handeling was strongly enforced. It's kinda like driving on the freeway. I know i check my car before I get into it everytime, I know how my car feels, and I know when something's not right. I trust my driving and judgement, and have no problem with high speed. It's everyone else on the road that I dont trust. They downright scare me.