The U.S.A. is a fucked up nation and seriously beyond help. If they weren't such a threat to the rest of the world I wouldn't give a flying fuck.

Frankly, I'm just waiting for the day when a terrorist gets a nuke or a dirty bomb into the country and fucks things up.

If you want to change the way society is you have to start at home. Actualy be a good parent to your kids and teach them values and respect. Make sure they know right from wrong and that the consequences for doing wrong things will be severe.

Become involved in everything your kids do. Get involved with thier school. Make sure your kids know drugs are bad, and the consequences for using drugs will be severe. Dont be afraid to punish your child when they knowingly fuck up. And stand your ground on punishments.

Dont let them watch violent tv shows & movies or listen to music that glorifies violence and disrespect. A child has an impressionable mind and these things do make an impression on them, and it can last thier whole life.

If you think your child's friends are a bad influence, put an end to them hanging out together. Acknowlegde your child's accomplishments no matter how small. Pay attention to your child when he/she has something to say. Get off the couch and go do something with your child.

I could go on & on but the point is, if you want to change society, start in your own home. Be a good parent and be involved with your child's activities. A good parent usualy raises a good kid. Good kids usualy turn into good adults, and not criminals.

Criminals go around shooting cars on the interstate and doing other fucked up shit. The gun he used was just a tool. A person with a criminal mind is going to pursue criminal activities whether he has a gun or not.

I spent a year in South Korea and I noticed how different thier society is. They dont have rampant crime, child abductions, problems with theft, rapes, murders, and drug dealers. I believe the thing that really makes a difference is how they are raised. The South Koreans are very respectful towards each other. When a child is born, that is like, the biggest blessing that can ever happen to a family. They raise thier children right and teach them respect for other people.

And I believe that is the biggest problem here. Nobody teaches thier kids respect anymore. Thier kids grow up with respect for nothing, no conscience, and total disregard for anybody's feelings or rights.

Do you think the guy shooting into a car full of children had any respect or a conscience? No. Things like that are taught at a young age. I blame the parents mostly for being complacent and raising a menace to society.

I dont think that making guns illegal is going to change anything. I started shooting at 6 years old and had my own firearms when I was 12. I knew that it was wrong to kill people because I was taught right & wrong. I didnt go around being rude to people or drinking and doing drugs because I knew if my parents found out, that would be my ass on the line. I had shitty, fucked up, alcoholic parents but they did teach me right from wrong at a young age.

And who knows, I may be wrong... but I think that the problem with people shooting into cars on the interstate started at home when they were a child, and not just because they had access to a gun.

Oh for fucks sake stop making sence, listen to battus for a while.

I'm all for gun control..I have to admit down at one of the shows in vegas I went to the gun shop and fired a vast array of guns...and it was fun, there really isn't any need for that kind of stuff in the hands of the general public.

the 2nd Amendment was writtin when muskets were used...maybe they they should limit people to those and be really literal about it.

Yet you trust those same morons with a gun. Nice logic you have.

Why can ferraris go 200+ mph when the speed limit is 65?

Who cares, the average fuckface can't afford one. Whats your point?

gun control? shit.... everyone needs guns.. and training.... I was trained at

http://www.frontsight.com

I have ccw in 23 states.... it's not the gun your fucking morons.... it's the morons who have them and get crazy... thats why we need more armed citizens to take those fucks out... remember if I take any one of my guns and lay them on a table in front of us.. it is not going to kill any of us... guns don't kill people do... therefore we all need more guns to protect ourselvs... theres a town in georga that it is a law if you own a house you have to own a gun... and you know what... lowest crime rate around... so explain that..... I can't stand people that want to do rid of guns.... and I hate our laws... in iraq they celebrate by shooting in the air... but if I get happy and go out and blast the ak off outside here people call the cops... and I'm like what? I was just happy

Sorry to quote myself but most people dont seem to read it. They skip this and just continue to scream that they need to have guns.

Apparently you were dreaming about shooting people during spelling class. :1orglaugh

I shoot porn so I don't have to spell for a living :BangBang: :ak47:

Same point as most everyone else had in this thread, you and battus are fucking idiots.. move to china.

I would say you love guns to compensate for your small penis, but obviously in your case its to compensate for your low IQ.

Listen dude you already couldnt stop mentioning me in every thread yesterday. Today is a new day. Drop it...i still dont know who you are and i dont care. Just stop mentioning my name in every thread, it makes you like a fucking freak. Ok?

If for some reason you cant stop thinking about me then stop hiding behind this nick and tell me who you are. Otherwise, back off.

I love the way people like to separate murders and gun murders.

Facts:

Amsterdam, where our lovely gun hating Battus lives, has a higher murder rate than any other similar sized city in the US except Washington DC.

Speaking of Washington DC, they have some of the most restrictive laws against guns. Ooops! Seems the cities with the highest murder rates in the US have the most restrictive gun laws. Cities with the most relaxed gun laws have the lowest murder rates.

In GA, a town called Kennesaw passed a law several years ago where everyone was required by law to own a gun. ALL CRIMES, including murders, dropped and have not risen.

It makes sense that the fewer guns you have, the fewer gun murders you're going to have. But dead is dead. Compare apples and apples if you're going to look at murder rates.:thumbsup

thunderballs is a pussy.

Dig it!

Chicago ended 2003 with 599 homicides, down from 648 a year earlier and its the first time since 1967 that the total dipped below 600.

Funny that New York, with about three times the population, ended the year with 596 homicides. Los Angeles, which had the most murders in 2002 at 658, wound up 2003 with an estimated total just under 500.

Illinois is one of those few states that you can't carry concealed, you have to buy a firearms owner identication card, submit to a backround check and be photographed by the State Police, can't legally touch any gun that you want to buy unless you have the FOID card, there are restrictions on what you can and can't buy, and to add insult to injury, 20 years ago Chicago banned handgun registration.

Ask me if I feel safe living in Illinois.

A 54-year-old father and resident of suburban Wilmette shared the following letter in two local Chicago newspapers, responding to misdemeanor charges filed after he shot a burglar in his home. The charges stem from a village ban on handguns and Hale DeMar's lack of a proper firearm owner's identification card.

While the charges are not likely to bring DeMar any jail time, his letter responds to criticism of his actions on the night of Dec. 29, when he fired upon an intruder who had, apparently, stole keys to his house in a break-in the night before. In his letter, DeMar is critical of police response to the initial break-in, and of the criminal justice system that allowed the suspected repeat offender the opportunity to terrorize his family.

The following is the text of the letter as published in the both the Sun-Times and Tribune

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Village Trustees: Stick to Parade Schedules & Planting our Parks

Many of us have experienced a sense of violation upon returning to our homes, only to find that someone else has been there. Someone else has trespassed in our bedrooms, looting and stealing that which is readily replaced. Many of us, still haunted by that violation, will never again have a sense of security in our own homes. Few, however, have awakened to realize that they had been violated as they slept in their beds, doors locked, as family dogs patrolled their homes. For me, the seconds until I found my children still safely tucked in their beds were horrifying. The thought that a young child may have been hurt or abducted was incomprehensible.

The police were called and in routine fashion they came, took the report and with little concern left, promising to increase surveillance. Little comfort, since the invader now had keys to our home and our automobiles. The police informed me that this was not an uncommon event in east Wilmette and offered their condolences.

What is one to do when a criminal proceeds, undeterred by a 90-pound German shepherd, an alarm system and a property ... lit up like an outdoor stadium? And now, he had my house keys and an inventory of things he'd like to call his own. Would the police patrol my dead-end street as effectively the second time as they had the first? Would my small children be unharmed the next time? Would the career criminal be satisfied with another automobile, another television or would he feel the need, once again, to climb the staircase up to the bedrooms, perhaps for a watch or a ring or a wallet, again risking little?

Would my children wake to find a masked figure, clad in black, in their bedroom doorway, a vision that might haunt them for years? Would the police come again and fill out yet another report, and at what point should I feel comfortable that the 'bad guy' got everything he wanted and wouldn't return again, a third time?

I went to the safe where my licensed and registered gun was kept, loaded it for the very first time and tucked it under the mattress of my bed. I assured my frightened children ''that daddy would deal with the bad guy ... if he ever returned.'' Little did I imagine that this brazen animal was waiting in the backyard bushes as I tucked my children into bed.

Fifteen minutes after bedtime, the alarm went off. Three minutes after the alarm was triggered, the alarm company alerted the police to the situation and 10 minutes later the first police car pulled up to my home, but only after another call was made to 911, by a trembling, half-naked father. I suppose some would have grabbed their children and cowered in their bedroom for 13 minutes, praying that the police would get there in time to stop the criminal from climbing the stairs and confronting the family in their bedroom, dreading the sound of a bedroom door being kicked in. That's not the fear I wanted my children to experience, nor is it the cowardly act that I want my children to remember me by.

Until you are shocked by a piercing alarm in the middle of the night and met in your kitchen by a masked invader as your children shudder in their beds, until you confront that very real nightmare, please don't suggest that some village trustee knows better and he/she can effectively task the police to protect your family from the miscreants that this society has produced.

This career criminal had been arrested thirty times. He was wanted in Georgia and for parole violations in Minnesota. How many family homes had he violated, how many innocent lives were affected, how many police reports went into some back office file cabinet, only to become some abstract statistic? How is it that rabid animals like this are free to roam the streets, violating our homes and threatening the safety of our children?

If my actions have spared only one family from the distress and trauma that this habitual criminal has caused hundreds of others, then I have served my civic duty and taken one evil creature off of our streets, something that our impotent criminal justice system had failed to do, despite some thirty odd arrests, plea bargains and suspended sentences.

Hale DeMar,
Wilmette

that's bullshit

we have a genius in the house! read my post. i am saying that not unlike driving a car, without proper judgement and education each is equally fatal. and if you disaggree with that, you are far worse off then i could imagine.

100 lying gun owners

uh it would be helpful if you were actually telling the truth


murder rates.

:ak47:

Thats exactly it. They government wants to get our guns away from us because as soon as they do, we cannot resit them when they come for our last shred of civil rights. Unarmed peasants are easily conqured. Espically in today's world of nuclear bombs, laser guided missles and stealth aircraft.

I call bullshit.

Back it up or shut your goddamn cakehole!

Gladly :)

http://www.ssaa.org.au/stats.html

And I can find more if you'd like. And you can probably find a few to dispute me. Ain't the internet grand? It almost makes you feel like maybe you be thinking for yourself.......

The government doesn't want to take our guns, liberal activists do!!!

Come for our last shred of civil rights??? That is hilarious!! :1orglaugh

So what you are saying is if we didn't have guns, the government would nuke us and send laser guided missiles into our cities???

OMG that is even funnier than ?our last shred of civil rights.?

Yes, like the one SacX posted above.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/153988.stm

Aw, c'mon - at least do some legwork yourself. :winkwink:

I will later. Right now I'm going for a nap.

Home Office pdf

amsterdam homicide rate one of the highest in europe 5.37/100,000 lower than nearly every similar sized US city.

you don't corner me and i wont shoot. simple. leave me with no option and it's in you're face.

http://www.camchicks.tv/murder2.gif

just the facts. no preaching. as FOX says, "You Decide".

the whole arguement is moot anyway. just a social study.
there are too many guns in america for there ever to be any alternative.

wow, that really is something to be proud about ..

In fact, the entire US (291 million people) average is just a tad more than little Amsterdam:
http://www.morganquitno.com/met01rank.pdf

What's funny is how low the gun murders are in rural areas in the US and in my experience (since I grew up in them and live in one now), the percentage of people who own guns in rural areas is much higher than the percentage in large cities. :1orglaugh If it hasn't already been said: People kill people. :thumbsup

NOOOOOOOOO Please dont start the gun debate again! Yes we have too many guns but no way in hell will I give up the right to keep them.