One could argue that SI just serves ads. What happens to the surfer after the ads are served is not their responsibility. Hence they are not breaking the law.

Liken it to an affiliate sending traffic to a pay site that we know fucks the surfers with cross sells, has a shit members area, rips people off on the upsells from the members area etc.

Not saying its right. But is it illegal?

102 clicks

Common sense has no place on this board. The sooner you understand that, the better off you'll be. ;)

I wonder if any of you "its ok because its legal" people have ever had the pleasure of trying to clean this scumware off of a machine? I highly doubt it. In fact I bet your probally all infected and don't even know it.

Its also important to note that spyware/scumware has affected this industry just as much as the saturation of free porn from TGPs.

I clean PCS on the side. Most of the machines I see can barely move after being booted because of all the shit out there now. Those people infected are NOT going to be able to sign up for a pay site.

exactly these infected users are barely able to surf the web, let alone signup for a site.

as kimmy kim put it comon sense has no place on this board... :winkwink:

hello mr. r. bot :upsidedow

No offense, but this is getting slightly old.

Business is business. I wish there were no commercials on TV. I hate the personal trainer girl at my gym that always solicits me to buy workouts. Why can't I just go to the bar without leaving with 10 million Heineken keychains.

My poor soul.....

Interesting logic you have there :error

Then it's not bothering me.

"The guy is a legend. You can only wish you were his equal" quote by Colin

Sorry, man.

It just sounds so pathetic to me, the way you always kiss his ass.

I will try and not let it bother me anymore. :winkwink:

You've said that three times now. Is that for emphasis or because you can't think of anything else to say? I suspect the latter.

when you watch a commercial on TV, do then have to take the TV to the repair shop to have it fixed?

When you go to the gym, does your trainer kick you in the balls so you have to limp around at a snails pace for the rest of the day?

I can't think of anything for the beer but I hope you get the point.. Spyware cripples peoples computers and costs less savoy computer users a shit load of money getting their computers fixed.

I used to do service calls for 3 major ISP's. I'd say at least 80% of the service calls were because of spyware. I wouldn't even want to imagine how much money spyware costs companies like AOL, Road Runner, EarthLink in phone tech support and on site service calls. Not to mention Microsoft and all the computer manufactuors that also have their help lines filled with people trying to fix spyware issues.

Anyone that pushes anything remotely close to spyware is scum in my book. I don't care how cool he maybe in person or how much money they have. Scum is Scum.

Get TiVo, man.

Funny yet valid points.

I have a DVR it was Cory wishing he had one :winkwink:

listen chump change, if you click your way thru the internet, bad things will happen, thats why you are given the choice to click or not click.
now stop pretending that these ads that appear after the ringtones ad are served by us.
We also don't allow a second popup after our original so please, just blow away with your lame who done it act.
:1orglaugh

I have tivo , i have never had to take it to a repair shop to remove spyware ??

for the uneducated, yes. the only valid points are that we do not allow auto installs.
so if you watch a commercial or look at our ad, the same thing happends. If on the other hand you call the "male enhancement" add you see on ESPN and your dick doesn't grow, its about the same as clicking on the links. Niether ESPN or I are responsible for the choices you make.
advertising has always been about seperating the stupid from there money.

Like I said in the first post on this page. You serve the ads what happens after that you are not responsible for. You may not allow auto installs (or deceptive installs ie: terms are buried under a ton of text) but advertisers you link to may support them.

Its a grey line. People on both sides of the fence should be able to see that.

its no greyer than cross sells, dialers or anything else.
I'm not the internet police. If one of my advertisers is breaking the law, I turn over all their info to the FTC when asked. Just like yahoo does.

Not pretending anything, I just posted what happened.

I loaded the javascript page again after the ringtone popup, then I get a software download page that has the terms listed here--
http://www.crazywinnings.com/activex/conditions.php

I loaded the 'game' and then you can see what happened after that with my previous post.

I posted facts, nothing more..

Funny you resort to name calling. My feelings have been injured. :helpme :1orglaugh

It may not be you that is hosting the downloads, but you are definitely a facilitator in the process.

<reads....shrugs....reads the same shit four posts down....shrugs....reads more of the same shit four posts down....feels a pattern emerging....waits until someone can either provide real proof or backs off.....sees someone was banned....giggles insanely....still sees no proof of any wrongdoing by 12clicks....goes about my day>

Yes I agree. I mentioned cross sells and shitty members areas as a comparison. I am on the fence about the entire issue I am here more for the conversation.

Of course we could have this same conversation about dialers and cross sells so I have nothing personal against you (not that you would give a fuck if I did).

sorry, chump change. you facilitate the process by clicking.
(I'll forgive your ignorance about the net since you haven't been here very long)

I've got an appointment with Hugo Boss. I'll see you kids tomorrow. (tonight if you're lucky and I'm bored)

Oh No!

You saying 12 is another Serge? :1orglaugh

I would say your almost right.

Sadly, you are correct. None of these people who spend 12+ hours a day on the internet have ever gotten any type of adware or spyware. They are all running Linux or Mac's and safe.

It's ok with me if you have to talk down to folks to make yourself feel better.

Your assumptions are incorrect about my time online. But that makes no difference here. If you feel better talking down to people then feel free :winkwink:

And yes I clicked the install, but I knew what I was getting into(or had an idea)

Your company is still a key to alot of these problems, but what can one do? I can do nothing, but I know abit more now. Too bad you just spew rhetoric and insults, I was hoping to learn something from the right hand of god....

Nice reply to a SERIOUS issue. Just makes your case look even worse. would you say that in court? Um no. I mean you might if you are retarded which is debateable right now. Now are you going to answer SERIOUSLY or be a douchebag? YOUR choice.

If I ran a newspaper and ther wer ads for "excorts" am I repsonisble for this even if I am unaware? You bet I am. Look up the law. Anyone that would claim ignornace is probally ingorant. It's HIS program you can't seriously tell me he's unaware of the type of ads he has running. If so then he's a VERY VERY poor businessman.

Notice I said "One Could Argue". As already mentioned. He knows he runs a grey line. The line is as grey as someone sending traffic to a program that has nasty cross sells, a shitty members area or hammers the user inside with dialers etc.

GFY threads about "who is the most righteous" are far better than the GFY threads about "who has the biggest ... "

Good job everyone.

the back of the LA Weekly is filled with escort ads.

heheh

Ans...so...? doesn't makeit right. No one ever said the LA was the bastion of morality.

This thread reminds me that its time to look into advertising with Starndard Internet. Thanks!

oh no! a silly surfer is going to school me on what I should and shouldn't do!
my god, I better listen up. :1orglaugh

http://www.webmasterknifefights.com

morality stems from the edge of a blade.

Yeah I'm a surfer. What a fucking moron. WHO the fuck are you anyways with the "I'm so much better and improtant than everyone" attitude? Seriously who in the fuck are you? I'm asking. You a nobody. You non-important. You could fall the face of the earth and no one will notice.

MORALITY??????

Ummm, what do you do for a living?

It may be a serious issue, that he did answer already. Now he can be a douchebag all he wants. SI has been running mainstream ad networks or acting as ad brokers since 1999/98ish, somethign tells me they will not be making it to court anytime soon.

Tell my boy Antonio at Sagemore I said what's up!

I'm not a 12clicks supporter by any means, but i will say this.

"If he is doing something ILLEGAL then post proof"

this is often said , but not nearly as easily done..

Im sure we all agree ibill is doing something illegal , but in all reality we can quote laws left and right , but the proof is in a court case..

So the only REAL proof is done by courts, thus unless someone can point us to some legal papers , then its just "he said she said "

That being said theres obviously gaps in the law. Have you ever gotten a phone call from one of those automated telephone systems that gives you a pre-recorded message ? They piss me the fuck off , but technically they arent illegal.

That doesnt mean you cant give a beef about some company, but keep it to the facts.

In the worse case scenario i suggest if it means that much to a person he/she/they should collect as much info as they can and do whatever they can (i.e. legally on paper ), and a forum is a good way to start.

Lets take the recent case of the domain hijackers/hackers that recently stole thousands of very popular domains such as thehun and sleazy's sites f3.com etc etc

They offered the install files and the "hacker/spammer/hijacker" simply uses any exploit he chooses to install the spyware. The company just says they dont condone it they just offer a piece of software, and all they can do is shutdown users who promote their services in this manner..

So in the end they arent doing anything illegal all they are offering is the software and the affiliate chooses how to promote it..

This is what i call CLICK LAUNDERING. Does it mean they are doing something illegal ? no not yet. Does it mean they are shady as a bush at night ? probably. :)

Im also no fan of 12clicks, because of his posts (which as we all know doesnt mean shit) I think he speaks before he thinks. But that said. If hes doing something illegal then report him. If hes not, then shut up already. I expect hes being clever and not doing anything illegal, but just doing something you dont like.......For years people have done things I dont like. It doesnt make it illegal :2 cents:

Freddie Mercury lives!!

150 cool web searches installed on my computer

how do I get rid of it? :(