Natnet from that list.. But I really love Techiemedia just as much

You know what is funny...for as much of a pissing match this thread has turned into...half of these guys are friends.

For some people Natnet may be the best choice. For some people the won't. Webair might right for you vs. another on the list.

Jupiter is the only company OCCash hosts (consolidated from 3 companies) and we are very happy with them.

Even though this is all about hosting -- there is a lot of apples vs. oranges here.

12 servers 3 years at Webair and I wouldnt move :pimp

nigggaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee


http://www.nymalegigolos.com/fl/gayfpa.gif

Bottom Line here is they are all GOOD Hosting companies , i never heard of Voxel tbh so I cant say.

I feel safe having my server with phatservers

I have replied below

"What is funny is that I could probably have a special limited time offer that says "We will charge you 10% more than you are paying now" and I would get more new customers than I could handle.....how many other companies do you think could do that? "

If that was 10 or even 30% more i guess alot of ppl would moved to you
A few other companies could do that,i can list them



"While others promise to save you money, I promise to make you happy! (and yes, making you happy also means you have to be happy with the price)

So, asdfqwer, when you are ready to get talk business let me know...I am sure that you would find yourself happy to be in the NatNet family."

Please let me know your email address and i will email you the quote i got from your sales

Tony what's Bill's ICQ? I asked MikeAI for your ICQ but he said you don't do ICQ and I should talk to Bill.

Thank you again for all of the comments everyone. I hope some people get back to me with answers to my questions! :).

Do they have network issues or do you typically have problems on your own servers?

Thank you!

Do you use both NatNet and Webair? If so, could you compare their level of service for me and also their network uptime %s since you?ve been a customer?

Wow, thank you for that in-depth post and superb (unbelievable actually) offer. I will be emailing you soon.

As if flying me all over the country wasn?t VIP enough, lol.

Jay, you?d recommend NatNet OVER Jupiter for ?premium? service? Since it appears as if you use both hosts that says a lot to me. Please clarify that when you get a chance :). Also, just out of curiosity, you don?t consider the likes of ISPrime and Webair to be in the same ballpark as NatNet and Jupiter?

LOL.
No you?re not. ;)

DH, you host with all 3 of those companies? Would you mind if I emailed you with additional questions or would you just rather I didn?t?
Yeah they are, but I?m trying to find out who provides the best (fastest, 100% and lowest latency) network coupled with the best remote hands and managed services. Also, if the company openly hosts spammers (notice webair didn?t deny it? or at least say that the listing at spamhaus was wrong) then they?re not for me. I can?t risk having my machines confiscated. And Voxel has multiple gbps uplinks and use Level3, MCI, NAC and nLayer in their BGP (I think) = extremely fast network with low latency as well as competent network technicians to keep things running smoothly.

Please do list them ;).

tony(DOT)morgan (AT) natnet (DOT ) com


Please send it to me and also tell me what you WANT to pay me for it and let me see what I can do....you never know :)


--T

Hey Mutt...

We don't use ICQ because it is so unreliable....you can reach us by email or if it is an emergency you can reach either of us by phone 24x7x365.

Email:

tony (DOT) morgan(AT) natnet (DOT) com
bill (DOT) vanvorst(AT) natnet (DOT) com

Phone (24x7x365):

1-888-4-NATNET

If it is outside of business hours just tell the Tech Support staff that you need to speak to me (or Bill) and that it is an emergency. They will have us on the phone with you in minutes.

You know we will do anything for you, Mutt :)


--T

I look forward to speaking to you soon and maybe we will be able to add you to the NatNet Family!! :)


--T

Hit me up on ICQ, I can help you out.
References available

I know Tony and the Natnet guys because they are home-towners / Ataliens ? you send a tech support email into Natnet ? I swear ? it is answered / resolved in 5 minutes or less. They are so good it?s scary. I just moved all of my JQMedia stuff over to Natnet and I look forward to growing more business with them. If you want superior service at a slightly higher price ? Natnet is the best. No question.

At OCCash ? we deal with massive amounts of bandwidth. Poppy, Lensman, and Ray have come through time and time again with a price and service that continues to keep us profitable. We?ve even pulled hosting from other companies to consolidate with them. Jupiter is a first class operation as well.

To clarify, we've hosted with ISPrime and moved on (no comment).

I've never hosted with Webair so I can't give an opinion -- though it seems the have a legion of sigwhores (and I might even be wrong about that).

these are all Juicy's monikers? :1orglaugh

For me being 5 -8 hours ahead of US timezones, support has usually been an issue for me. My working day is when most of US people are asleep or out of office.
With NatNet, the support when i need it is always there, at any time and the tech who answers my ticket knows exactly what there doing.
Regardless of what day/time i put a ticket in, its usually answered within 5 mins.
Sure, there more expensive, but worth every penny :thumbsup

youre paying $200k per year for hosting?


OMG! :helpme

What is so strange about that? We have more then 900MBPS a month as well...When you want quality, you have to pay a price for that :)

100 hosts....

Here is my list,in fact each host is different and there is no such a thing as "ideal host",those that are simply perfect has negative point as well,the price,however when i have contacted them i was inquirying for one server,since you are getting tens of servers they shoul dbe able to make you discount

Top hosts

http://www.isprime.com/ probably the only host that is connected at 60 Gbps
http://www.jupiterhosting.com/
http://www.cyberwurx.com/
http://www.natnet.com
http://www.rackspace.com
http://datapipe.com/
http://www.flyingcroc.net/hosting/
http://www.swiftwill.com/

Although they are all in the same list,they are all different,for example by response time to email tickets and DDoS policy
DDoS should be an issue with you,either you are hosting many small websites or one big you should has faced an attack in past

I know that ISPrime.com and Natnet.com has reached some decent success in fighting against DDoS

Other hosts that i would also consider are below,they are cheaper than above ones but are still very good


http://www.cavecreek.com/ owned by ccbill,the same company,same network
http://www.realitychecknetwork.com/
http://www.webair.com/ i have seen a very few negative posts about them and a lot of positive responses
http://www.techiemedia.net/ i heard nothing but good things about them

That one is unmanaged but has a good network and offering private racks,you could find a good management company and get servers there,the price (ev1servers+management) should be the same as going with a managed company
http://www.ev1servers.net/

90% your choice is depends on your budget

There is a known webhosting dedicated forum where you may want to research as well but you wont find anything new there,simply because top hosts list is small and known

Hopefully you will make a right decision,hosting is a critical factor for any website

Good luck :)

Jay what?s your ICQ if you don?t mind me asking? I?d really like to hear more about your ISPrime chronicles :).

Yeah I?ve actually hosted with cyberwurx before and they?re pretty good (pretty CHEAP too). I wasn?t in LOVE with their routing but they have solid performance and definitely 99.9%+ network uptime. But they?re just not ?mission-critical? enough wit the level of support and management services for what I?m doing. And as far as I know, RackSpace doesn?t offer colo services otherwise I would have probably gone with them.

Certainly, I put all of my shared hosting customers on their own IPs to help manage DDoS attacks. I also have juniper firewalls and IDS/IPS. But I need a provider that can HELP ME mitigate DDoS attacks effectively. This is something I?m going to inquire about when I contact the above hosts. I was just looking for everyone? input on their level of service.

Isn?t TM singled homed on Level3? That?s definitely not an option for me. I?m not a huge fan of level3, but having it in a BGP is usually a good thing. Level3 by itself is definitely not optimal though.

Thank you!

Thank you so much asdfqwer for your in-depth post, I really appreciated it.

webair is good for me, support is good and uptime too...
i have 4 servers there and i am happy with them..

"Isn?t TM singled homed on Level3? That?s definitely not an option for me. I?m not a huge fan of level3, but having it in a BGP is usually a good thing. Level3 by itself is definitely not optimal though. "


I believe that was true however I just heard that they brought in a 10 gig fiber link of WVFiber which is a very good carrier as a matter of fact it is the same carrier that NatNet uses.:2 cents:

Webair has great solutions for colocation customers. In case you are really
worried regarding the webair ip block spam abuse (which you shouldn't) you
could always register your own IP block with Arin.net :thumbsup

Well let?s go over a few things here, I think everyone would be interested in knowing a little bit more about their providers:

I used FixedOrbit to get this information and I know it?s not always up to date, I?m also not sure if I read it all right but I am hoping representatives from these companies (if they are present here) can correct me where I?m wrong?

So who are ISPrime?s transit/backbone providers? Which ones are peers and which ones are transit? Also, is ISPrime?s ?new datacenter? still in the Telehouse facility?

So they?re hiding their BGP mix from the public? Who are Webair?s TRANSIT providers and peers?

As far as I know all of those are transit, no peering. But it?s a very good mix...

Cogent isn?t in their premium bandwidth mix but they use it for their ?value? bandwidth customers.

Again, who are the backbones here? Level3, Globix, HE and WVFiber?

NatNet is single homed on WVFiber bandwidth?

How hard is it to do that? How much does it cost for like a class c?

BTW: If anyone wants to email me information about any of the listed companies PLEASE DO ? for example, a lot of people don?t seem willing to share details about their negative experiences in public? email them to me! Your opinions will help shape my choice. [email protected].

I pitty the host that ends up dealing with this guy.....I smell Nothing but trouble down the road:2 cents: :2 cents:

Hey FiberNexus...

The Fixed Orbit system is flawed. When it first started a few years ago I was hoping it was going to be a good way to give impartial information, but the system does not account for everything. I am not a network person, but I employ an entire staff of them and they told me more than a year ago that you can't trust FO anymore so I havent looked at it since.

Seriously...you seem like a smart person...did you ever really think that NatNet could possibly be single homed? Of course, not.

I haven't gotten an email from you yet about your free trips...I would think that you would be more interested in seeing things for yourself than to listen to people on GFY, but I want you to be as informed as you possibly can so whatever you think works.


--T

webair is leading! :thumbsup

In my opinion, when it comes to hosting, no news is great. The one thing every owner wants to hear with respect to their servers is nothing, and everything is running smoothly. ISPrime is without a doubt in my mind the best on that list. The manpower they have on their technical support team is crazy, but not only that - the tech support guys actually know what the hell they are doing.

I've had some serious nightmares with some of the other companies you mentioned on that list. You'll never get a true opinion off a board, if you're looking for the best host, look at their customers... bangbros, tcg, etc.

One other thing about ISPrime that separates them and their thinking from the rest, they will never come on a public message board and pump their own company. I actually asked them why they do this... they said they let their customers do the talking for them.

"Yeah I?ve actually hosted with cyberwurx before and they?re pretty good (pretty CHEAP too). "

I guess you mean their unmanaged solution since managed servers cost 3x of website prices,which are not cheap :)


"But I need a provider that can HELP ME mitigate DDoS attacks effectively."

Then ISPrime.com and Natnet would be the choice,they dont charge extra to mitigate attacks and ISPrime did some nice job for me in that field,make sure to ask all hosts "whats your DDoS mitigation policy"

"Isn?t TM singled homed on Level3? That?s definitely not an option for me. I?m not a huge fan of level3, but having it in a BGP is usually a good thing. Level3 by itself is definitely not optimal though."

As far as i know they use Level3 and wvfiber which are the best bw providers in today's market

Tony i have emailed you

Jupiter 100%

Jupiter Hosting Rocks!!!

Why, because I care about ?my- company/customers and don?t want to just sign up with ?webair? because they have the most votes on the list? You mean I?m going to be trouble because I wanted to know more about the networks of the companies that I might host with? Truthfully though? I just have a lot of equipment and am trying to find the *right* home for my stuff. If my provider keeps the network operating properly and up 100% of the time they?ll only hear from me during holidays (saying thanks) and when I need the occasional reboot/paid service. I wan a low-latency, high-speed, mission-critical network along with managed services provided by only the most competent of the providers.

I?m just trying to get some facts straight so that I come to you with right questions :).
I couldn?t agree more :). If they keep the network going, no blips, then everything is great. Unfortunately most hosts can?t seem to do this heh.

I meant in terms of rack space, power, and bandwidth on larger commits. Compared to other datacenters I?ve been in (the NYC area) they are incredibly cheap. NYC space and power cost absolutely premium rates. :(.

I would go for Isprime. Hands down. Been with them for years and they still have superb support, never missed a beat.

if you are relying on an IDS/IPS you are using the wrong tools. To truely protect against DoS to you need DPI mitagation tools. To the best of my knowledge, and SweetT and all feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I don;t belive any of these guys do that. I'm not saying they won;t help you if your attacked but if one of your IPS is being hammered without DPI/anonlym detection that IP/is still fucked.

For those of you listed that are intrested in this kida of tech, I don;t sell it but I do, do consulting ;)

wanted to commenct on fixed orbit, like Sweet T said , and I'll paraphase it's a joke. Pretty damn close ot useless. If you want a slightly better view of things you could use a route server to see who carries each of the above's routes. Remember though this will only show how to can get to them not how your packets will get back, which in reality is what you need to care about if you hosting content there.

FWIW, I don;t have equipment wiht any of the above but I am fimilar with ISPrime, NatNet and Webair and can tell you from a routing point of view all 3 are great networks and you'd be happy with any of them. The others I don't know so I can;t comment on. I have never used the support of any of these guys so I can't comment on that either, can only comment on thier external connections to the internet.

Are you a tech admin or offering such a services ?