I am so happy that you have found a FUN place to hang out. Some people here actually make a living doing what they do.

Please go and have fun and try to avoid parenthood.

I'm lambasting your approach of helping individual noobs instead of improving things for everyone. Again your figures are assuming you do not desert other parts of your business. You assume people have the FREE time to help noobs.

What do I NOT DO to devote time to teaching noobs?

Maybe I should stop updating the site, SEO, the running of the site, new projects, improving text on the site, teaching my two shooters how to get more out of models, posting on boards on a Sunday morning :winkwink: , going to shows to do deals?

What do I give up to help these noobs reach 2 sign ups a day and who then will fuck off to work for "Iconvertbetterandkissass.com"? Because I ignored other vital jobs.

Affiliates are self employed, they expect 50% +, tools and support. Now you're asking me to teach them.

OK any noob who wants to sign a 3 year contract that they will work only for me can get all the knowledge I have.

Now do you see the flaw in your plan?

Improve the effectiveness of your site and your business will improve. And keep improving, plus you are less likely to lose affiliates to better converting sites.

u should be sellin an ebook!
no seriously, good idea! :thumbsup

He already do that :)

I agree, the risks are worthwhile ones. It is all risky business in the end, so I don't see a reason not to give it a go!!:thumbsup

fr0gman, lets do this. Hit me up when your ready.

By the way, hilarious comments relating to DarkJedi!

ICQ: 388332790

Ok, a mentor would really help me out right now. If anyone is up to taking me on, I am game. :helpme yeh yeh I know, call me unsuccessful. :winkwink:

Glad to know you are only here for fun.

Taking the opening post of this thread at face value, what you are proposing is what I suggest from time to time that sponsors should be doing. So how can hardly I disagree with your intentions.

In the broader context, I also often argue that the unwillingness of people in this industry to share useful information is grossly inefficient because it means we all end up spending large amounts of time, money and energy, re-inventing the same wheels.

Further, very few people even attempt to develop themselves professionally, but just climb on the same treadmill each morning to face more of the same-old, same-old. Not only is that ultimately mind numbing, but financially it means you are creating your own ceiling and walls. It wouldn't even have been possible to start out this way except for a huge excess of demand over supply and no matter how much you used to make or are making now, without the ablity to recognize the need for change and adapting to it, your future is limited.

There are two problems which usually prevent such schemes reaching their potential for all involved. The first is simple greed: the person behind the scheme wants to hit the ground running, so instead of actually taking people with unproven potential, tries to grab those with proven potential. Which makes sense until you consider that such people in most cases are unlikely to want, need or appreciate the kind of help which can be passed along.

However if someone runs this in a way which might work, then there is the reality that it is near impossible to meet people face to face in an effort to establish whether they (and you) would benefit. I would guess that over the years I made good choices with my employees better than 80% of the time. But heaven knows what that percentage would have dropped to if my only contact with them were by email or ICQ, or even by 'phone.

And that leaves you facing the problem that time dictates you can only deal with a relatively small number of people at once. If - I would say inevitably - a high percentage turn out to be a waste of time, you have a possible problem.

In other words, such schemes don't have to be scams, but nor are they likely to achieve a great deal without some careful thought.

Based on my lifestyle and my needs, I do very well and consider myself successful, but want to take it to the next level.

If someone making a million a year or more (net) wants to mentor me, I'm waiting for you with open arms...

I despise DorkJedi but I find myself agreeing with him 100% on this one. That isn't an easy feat.

If your idiotic business model is just a ploy to sell shit to newbies (and I sincerely hope it is) then please accept my apologies.

fr0g so am i in or not

This sounds like a very good idea, and I would deff be interested (and I am "unsuccessul").It also looks like you've actually put some good thought into it :)

How is it actually going to work in terms of mentors finding and selecting people to "mentor"?

BINGO Paul!

You are doing exactly what I wanted you to do; think of what you could do in order to make this work.

I bet that if you were serious there are plenty of people that would sign a 3 year contract to be tutored directly by you. I know that I would if I were interested in being successful in content production and marketing. I am sure that I am not the only one.

Don't miss the forest by looking too closely at the trees.

Think about what you just wrote. If there is any time that you agree with DJ 100% you need to completely rethink your position.

I'm not of the "Fuck Noob" crowd, I do however believe that most people "in the know" learned the "how" by busting ass and teaching themselves. Noobs are no different. Lately it seems like every noob and their retarded uncle is coming into the industry, and they go straight to GFY and start asking for "Help". Help = Free Work. I for one am simply too busy to go around helping people figure out how to teach themselves things, as I know most everyone else is. Those who have time to teach, are either broke (And I wouldn't listen to them in the first place) or they are lying about the info they are passing on (usually). Either way, this is nice in theory, however, I don't have much faith that it will go anywhere but into the dark recesses of GFY's archives.

This challenge would do nothing but "Help" Noobs.

A successful person would just hire someone and train them from the ground up, and forget about the rest of this.

doomed to fail ...

What I find interesting about this thread is that I never mentioned noobs yet everyone seems to think this is all about noobs. What I said was that the SUCCESSFUL should mentor the UNSUCCESSFUL. That does not mean do their work it means MENTOR. If you are working to the point that you have no time to spare to grow your business then you need to find someone who has better time management skills and ask to be mentored in what they do that makes them successful in that area.

We all have time. Some of us are either afraid to share that time or simply refuse for whatever reason.

There are 480 minutes in an 8 hour day. Spend 4.8 (1%) of your next work day writing something that will teach someone how to do something to which you are successful. THAT is how you start. Then the next day you devote 5 minutes....

So... devote time out of my schedule to teach newbies what I spent years learning, so that I can compete with them? No thanks... for every newbie that starts making cash in this biz, it means a pay cut for the rest of us.

I'm not too busy to build my own business model. I'm too busy to build someone else's.

Those who you have labeled "Unsuccessful" ARE "Noobs". Apparently, you don't understand that concept.

What a coincidence, unsucessfull noobs are the only people who think this is a good idea :1orglaugh

It's not gonna work. Nobody's going to teach you shit. Do your own homework.

id love to see how this unfolds

Oi lol ;) I am not really a noob. I know what I am doing upto a point and create quite a nice income for the amount of work i've done so far on my sites.

Success is a journey, not a destiniation.

For those of you who claim to be "Unsuccessful", here's some Mentoring... Get off your lazy ass and pursue success. That's the only way to get there. For those of you who claim to be successful... See you at the top. :)

If this is true then you have placed yourself in the wrong category.

People who think that by teaching others to be successful you somehow dilute the pool are missing the bigger picture.

Success is a frame of mind. Even those that view themselves as Unsuccessful are very successful at doing SOMETHING. Take our friend DarkJedi as an example. Even though I think that on a personal level he is a complete asshat if I were running a think tank I would give him the job of finding the problems with new ideas. Even though he is wrong 90% of the time there is some value in when he is right.

I would have him submit his opinions in writing to a "buffer" group to keep him away from direct human contact, but that is most like how he is most comfortable.

See DJ is a mis-matcher. He is psychologically predisposed to finding how things DON'T work and there is value in having that skill. DJ is successful in his own right and even though he is abrasive and he often makes me want to take a stick to his head, the world needs people like him.

fr0g just wants newbies to admire him.

Listen fuckstick, there is half a dozen people here who think your idea is stupid, and not a single one who thinks it's good.


The only idiot in this thread is you. Stop wasting our time and go do something productive for a change instead of wasting everyones time.

You got cowboy... That is why I pointed this thread to program owners.

I never called you an idiot. Quite the contrary. I was giving you a compliment and your propensity for finding the WRONG in any given situation shines through yet again, solidifying my theory about you.

Ok, so what do you think I'm wrong about?

Post some examples.

There is a world beyond porn :2 cents:

You are kidding me right? EVERYONE is wrong at some point...

Since you asked for examples:

We can start with your most recent statement about Muslims allowing other faiths in Mosques. As a rule they do not. Devout Muslims view other religions, especially Christians and Jews as unholy and unclean.

You are also wrong here. Paul makes some very substantiative posts.

See the problem is that you so rarely post anything other than "You are a moron, stop stalking me homo" so it is complicated to find anything.... however after your statement about my selling "snake oil" I ran across this gem:

My favorite part about this is the part where you say, "it does pay off". You are 100% right on this one. But then in the same breath you say, "i like to stick to White sites.
once you get ranked in the top 10, you pretty much don;t have to do anything to stay up there". 159% WRONG on this one.

In short you simply make me laugh. You are amusing like so many clowns at a Shriners Circus.

We have a huge mosque in the city and it has a tablet on the door saying that everyone is welcome to come inside, no matter what religion they are.

All these posts have one purpose: for him to promote his content.

I have had a site in top 3 position for a very competitive term for 5 years.
Once it got there, i havent touched it. It just sits there and keeps bringing traffic in.


You = 0wned.

http://www.darksidedata.com/gfy/cookie.jpg

As a relatively new person who is spending 25+ hours per week researching and building this business. It would be nice to work with someone who has been doing it a few years just for the occasional question that could save as many of those 25+ hours as possible. I would like to see more of this industry pull together as an industry and move the industry up more. No matter what business you are in competition is health and only threatening if you business is weak.

I would love to have a mentor and then in 36 months be one. Hit me up. My ICQ is 52017127.

If you cause anyone to agree with DJ 100% I think you need to rethink YOUR position. Your little plan is so asinine that it could have come straight from the mind of Spacedog.

Another comment from one of the fearful (as in full of fear) brigade.

I am trying to get you people to THINK yet you cannot see beyond the tip of your nose.

I will concede to your opinion for a moment. Can you offer a better idea or are you like DJ simply here to point fingers?

OK Mr. I-know-Muslims... try that at ANY traditional (read un-westernized) Mosque and you will find that you are treated less that cordailly.

Have you heard of Jihad?

Why should Paul's post be anything other than promotion for his business. This is a business board for business people to sell, promote recruit and discuss not for snot-nosed punks that are looking for a fun place to hang out and have FUN between rounds of WOW.

Top 3? PROVE IT!

OMG fr0g you're a hero to all newbies!!!

::bows down:::

Fearful? How about intelligent.

So far you've done nothing but beg for someone to enlighten YOU, and every other n00b on here. This is a lame ploy to get free knowledge about the inner workings of an industry that doesn't want you in it.

So I suggest you just go signup for the programs that are out there, put up your links and earn your little scraps. Nobody here is going to hand you the keys to any kingdom that THEY built. Build your own fucking kingdom, then come back and we'll throw some n00bs your way so you can teach them and we can all laugh at you, fucktard.

Can someone hand me a can of n00b-B-Gone? Spray this clown.