apicsucks.com is available - first person to buy it - I will paypal $5.00 to help defray the costs.

I am seriously up for doingthis 20 law suits against them will bankrupt the fuckers...failing that anyone got a spare web cam, some handcuffs and Steve Eastons home address?

Someone compile a list of content providers who do business with APIC so we can avoid buying anything from them.

I just bought it and will list:

1) Sponsors that refuse to do business with APIC - without a PROPER signed copy of a DMCA request.

2) Hosts that refuse to do business with APIC - without a PROPER signed DMCA request.

3) Content providers that do not use them

4) Anyone other business that will not honor anything other than PROPERLY FORMED DMCA requests.

In order to be on the list - you must also agree to accept counter DMCA requests from the viictimized webmaster. I mean alleged...

OK good call, then we get the domain (APICSUCKS.COM or whatever)and an initial site set up listing all APIC supporters, from content providers to sponsors (I know SIC Cash support them financially) and list them all on a site. Get as many "supporters" of our cause (The cause is for Steve Easton's arse to be fucked) and our supporters can then check to see if they are indirectly supporting APIC and avoid using those companies...This is a great idea.....

:BangBang: :BangBang: :BangBang: :BangBang: :BangBang:

Chris R - fuck me you are fast at typing and buying domain names at the same time!!

I try. I figured I know I won't get scared and shut it down if steve comes a whining. Also, my host didn't shut down a site when the FBI asked - so they aren't going to for him....

My design skills suck - so if anyone wants to help design it - let me know. I'll put some DMCA stuff on there so people KNOW how a REAQL DMCA request looks and how to respond toa REAL DMCA request.

I know a few designers who hate APIC so they maybe perfect for this job...what elese do we need? I have a search engine type script we could use http://www.xxxstarcash.com/links (please do not submit to this yet as the site is not finished and is the one I am going on about in my signature, give it a week and I will list you) but we could use the backend of that for something on the site.

Below is just one reason APIC sucks.
--------------------------------------------------

We had some problems of copyright infringement with a gallery using Suze Randall's pics. It was a mistake since we're in Suze's program "Pics 4 Clicks", but due to that APIC Worlwide sent a request to our server administrator to get that gallery down. I contacted all the parts involved and I get 2 types of answers: Suze.net and California.net (where I have my co-located server) apologizing and APIC telling me that it was my fault, not theirs. Fuck APIC braindeads! Anyway, in a business where all values (and I'm not referring to stupid moralism, but truth and honesty) seems to be lost, sometimes happens something that feels like a breeze of fresh air, and that was what I felt when I get the reponse from Suze and her daughter Holly (read Holly's mail below)

Dear Fabio,

I writing you to apologize deeply for the mistake that occurred regarding the
deletions of pages from your website, sex-o-pedia.net. Though I was not the one
who directly send out the Cease and Desist form, I do take responsibility for all
copyright issues regarding our site, http://www.suze.net/. The individual that sent out
the notice does freelance work for us since the piracy of our work is so massive- I
simply don't have the time to do it all. He is extremely useful to us and rarely makes a
mistake, it is just unfortunate that you happened to be the webmaster targeted in this
case. As an attempt to make amends, I am prepared to offer you the exclusive use
of a photo set that I shot personally. It is a beautiful shoot on a very popular
Penthouse Pet who is currently not featured in the Pics4Clicks program at all. It's a
snow sleigh set with Aimee Sweet- one of my absolutely favorite shoots. I hope you
will like it and it will make up for the error on our part. I also encourage you to post
this letter on your site so the fans of sex-o-pedia.net understand why the site was
down and that it was no fault of yours. You are a top referrer to our website and very
much appreciated here. We thank you for all the support you have given us.
Sincerely,
Holly Randall
Suze Randall Photography

Now, fellow webmaster this is what we learnt and wanted to share with you: this is the time when you know who you can trust and who you shouldn't

Peace
Fabio and the Sex-o-pedia folks

Reposted from: http://www.sex-o-pedia.net/resources/

More content for the site.

Vigilantism on the Internet: The "Web Posse" Crosses the Line
http://www.libertolaw.com/4-98.html

"WEB POSSE" LOSES SHOWDOWN IN FEDERAL COURT
http://www.libertolaw.com/4-99.html

I have to get to bed soon, but anyone that wants to help - let me know...

Do you sleep nude?

Hehe - by the time I get up I won't have any work to do....

With the site silly. I don't need help sleeping. And no - I don't sleep nude most of the time....

Apic and Charly both love the cock

Just your underoos?

This is great Steve Easton is sitting there thinking he is as safe as cash in the bank...but banks get robbed!:321GFY

I sleep nude Labret :Graucho

Steve Easton
3325 Griffin Rd. #137
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33312

29 Jun 2002 - RE: Pam and Tommy Video
"Hi I'm Steve Easton from APIC, and I lay claim to copyright on the STOLEN Pamela Anderson sex video (yes there are spastics on the internet that even claim to own copyright on the above STOLEN video). I demand you remove the above videos, as well as any reference to celebrities, because I own copyright on them too!

I'm a fucking joke. Shoot me.
(ignore the spam in the videos they don't own copyright on it either - Pamela Anderson does)"
http://www.e-t-r.net/archives/30.june.02.html

hahahaha

APIC can lick my balls.
I can help with SE optimization if you need.

So did anyone start the site or buy the domain? Hell, he'll probaby try to sue the site based on the site using his likeness. I had problems as well in the past with Apic. They emailed me about content one time, and i just deleted the email and went on with my day when i saw what their claim was. Never heard back. Didn't think i would. Bunch of morons. Nothing but harassment.

I would join this cause.....if there is one to be joined.:ak47:

There is a cause to be joined. Chris R has bought the domain and if you check through this thread you will see our ideas for what can be put in the site. We need as many ideas that can be backed up with hard evidence against APIC to make this work.

So fire away!! (preferably with bullets at Eastons head)

I'd been wondering what Labret's role in the industry was. Webmaster? Designer? Marketing? Nope: Screwdriver guy. It all makes sense now. :winkwink:

He's the best screwdriver guy in the industry

waiting for name to propogate:

will be here...

http://66.197.11.166/

See what I mean about my design skills....

Suze says "He is extremely useful to us and rarely makes a
mistake, it is just unfortunate "

Thats funny because APIC contacted my friend/partner and almost shut his site down. Too bad for APIC that the pics he is selling are ones HE SHOT. His photography is so good they thought it was Suze Randalls so they launched a full scale legal attack on him. He had to mail Suze directly and tell her to curb the fucking attack dog. Its one mistake after another with them. It would be different if they asked for a license but they go right for the throat.

Looks to me like, Charly should not be the only one boycotted.
How about Suze Randall and www.suze.net... looks like her name comes up more than APIC.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do agree with this statement 100%
Will I ever buy content from Charly with
APIC handling it? Fuck no. Never.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Charly I really think you are foolish to use these people and real dumb to come and post on this board about having a site closed down by APIC. Not very bright. You are very penny wise and dollar foolish. And am sure this is going RAT over your head.

:321GFY APIC:2 cents:

The principles behind APIC seem to be legitimate; however, their enforcement seems more suited to the old west. The ironic thing is, APIC seems to follow the same methods that more than a few sponsors do--shoot first, ask questions later.

The exchange between Lensman and APIC was not only unproductive, it was unacceptable. How can anyone take such an organization seriously after they attack a well known sponsor with arrogance and attitude in the place of substance?

However, I understand that APIC seems to be the only organization that assists content providers, so I understand Charly's decision to accept the good with the bad.

I'm sure if Charly and other content providers found a similar organization that behaved in a more professional manner--treating their current and futures clients as well as colleagues with the benefit of some due process-- perhaps they would use them.

Charly would you use another organization for copyright and trademark enforcement?

I think that is an important question.

Perhaps that new "adult webmaster" lobby will create a division for sponsors and content providers to enforce trademark and copyright law.

just my
:2 cents:

if you are of any reasonable size, you should be able to handle copyright violation in house. with it under you control, even handle it professionally. that's what we do.

they suck dildo

quiet

What about those of us who are not yet of reasonable size?
Is there effective way of dealing with these problems without resorting to rogue tactics?

The answer is yes, I've seen no one who does what Steve does.

Yes he's an A'hole. But that's all we have.

Quiet I would love you to close down one of the big newsgroup harvesters. They are hard to bring down, but APIC does it.

This is what these were about.

http://www.libertolaw.com/4-98.html
http://www.libertolaw.com/4-99.html

Lets all let people steal what they like and put up paysites. Then see the internet and your living die.

Sorry but Labret I can live without your business, and anyone else who thinks by buying content they can run me. I'm not for sale.

I've been in business a long time and follow my instincts and experience. I recently told a magazine :321GFY because they thought they were running my busines, they pay $2,000+ for US rights on a single set.

Anyone who has a sensible alternative to APIC can please inform me, I will support and join them.

LOL, charly, the internet has been arround before you showed up.

i bring down (daily) anyone who breaks copyright. the VAST majority of infingers are not 'newsgroup' harvesters. they are cheating, low life webmasters. and they are very easy to shut down. we've shut down literally thousands of them. again, it's very easy - be professional with the hosts, and have the required dmca documents.

WTF are you talking about? I never said anything to you.

You deal in ass and titties, so the odds of me ever dealing with you are slim to none to begin with.

I could care less if you dealt with APIC.

Charly you are a fag

Charly, you've been told by some of the biggest out there. They don't act professionally.

I almost want to go infringe some shit to send APIC after me so that I can sue the fuckers for unethical business practices. and then come after the people that get them to go at them in the first place...


Watch your liability, these fuckers break the law, and can get your ass on the line for it.

TarPy

This is not true, APIC is NOT the only one, we have been doing this for about 5 years now. In addition to being a content provider and paysite operator, we also work with 25 companies as their designated agent in regards to infringement. Our philosophy is different from APICS however on many fronts. First and foremost, it is our philosophy that the content provider/owner get paid for the illegal use of their property. Here is our process:

1. We sign a contract with the content provider/owner that appoints us their designated agent.

2. A site using illegal content is identified.

3. The infringement is documented using screen captures.

4. A cease and desist letter is sent to the site owner ordering them to immediately cease and desist from the unauthorized and illegal use of our clients property. They are given 72 hours to comply and respond.

5. Once they have complied and responded, they are sent a demand in settlement letter. The DIS letter basically outlines the content owners rights under the law (civil only, we never mention the criminal) and the site owners liability under the law. The site owner is then given an opportunity to pay a fine, usually between $1000 and $5000. They are also given an oppurtunity to pay the fine by licensing content from the content provider they have stolen from (usually double the amount of the cash fine).

Most of the time, the matter is resolved this way and no further action is needed. Everyone wins. The site owner now has legal content, and the content owner has gotten paid for the illegal and unauthorized use of their content.

However, if the site owner does not respond, or does not comply, then the first DMCA letter is sent. It is sent to the host, and in the case of a pay site, the billing company. We do not go after the sponsors. We do however notify the sponsors of what is happening and give them the opportunity to take their own action.

If the site owner does not respond or comply, and the host or billing company has acted properly (they all usually do) then the case is documented and given to legal counsel. At that point, legal counsel will contact the site owner with the same procedures outlined above and the amount of the fine doubles.

If the lawyer cant get anywhere, the case is then packaged, with all pertinent info and given to the content owner. The content owner then makes the decision whether or not to litigate. At this point, we are out of it.

By contacting the site owner FIRST, any damage as a result of mistakes is nullified. However, if the infringement is real, and not a mistake, then the content owner benefits financially. In addition, they may now have a good future customer. In addition, the infringement is stopped.

In most cases we are able to spank the infringer while telling them how much we love them. It's the old "this is going to hurt me more than it is going to hurt you" routine.

That's how we do it.

Perhaps for content producers it sucks that there is no-one out there who will do the same job in a legitimate way. But is that a good enough reason to support someone like Steve Easton? You really need to be on the receiving end of this sh*t to know what he is like even when you have nothing to answer.

If enough of you cared sufficiently, you could joint fund someone to do the job in an acceptable manner.

Read my post above. We do the same job in a legitimate way. All our letters are very professional and matter of fact. We dont ad lib. Everything is done open and above board. If you want to be treated like a professional, you have to act like a professional.

I won't comment on APIC. You all seem to have an opinion about them already. I can tell you that APIC has, in the past, brought down some very big thieves that were difficult to bring down.

We simply have a very different philosophy. Theirs works for them, ours works for us.

BTW...I forgot to mention what we charge for our services. We get 50% of whatever we are able to collect. We collect 0, we get 0. If step two is required, than compensation shifts to 1/3 for the content owner, 1/3 for the lawyer, 1/3 for me. If step 1 and 2 are not sucessful, and step 3 is required, we are out of it and get nothing.

You needed to reopen a 1 year old thread to tell him that?