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Shoehorn! 05-30-2007 11:19 PM

I hope something will be done about this soon.

JD 05-30-2007 11:21 PM

i've got 10 bucks on absolutely NOTHING coming from this thread other than yet another "contest" or payout increase from AFF

will76 05-30-2007 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 12516790)
Your key words are "right now." Back in the early days of TGPs they were posting stolen content and linking directly to members areas. A real thorn in the side of the industry, yet they were allowed to have sponsor banners on their front pages. This is really what we are seeing again with torrents. You can either attempt to cut it's head off now, or let it naturally develop into something with some order that can be used by the industry. That is my take on this.


did you shake your magic 8 ball for your " take" on that ?


LOL @ comparing some tgps who used stolen content years back to sites like pirate bay. You dreaming if you think something good is going to develop out of torrent sites, you know how rediculas that comment is, give us just 1 possible good thing that could happen because of torrents that " can be used by ths industry". Just 1 example of something good. :upsidedow

will76 05-30-2007 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 12516974)
I can agree with that. Those torrent sites kill our business. Way bigger deal than Zango. If they weren't turning a profit I'm sure a lot would shut down.

they both are a huge problems, You own a program but you are bros with the people fucking you, big dilemma... so what you going to do about it ?

DWB 05-31-2007 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 12516729)
Dirty point me to the torrent sites that have Fleshlight on em

Thx

Lots of them, but one site I just found today... http://pornorip.net/ There maybe more than one ad, but the one I saw was in the bottom left corner.

All stolen content. :Oh crap

DWB 05-31-2007 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 12516803)
point out any torrent , similar sites with Fleshlight on em if you see em

I don't look much these days for new sites because there is not much I can do about it, but as I run across them will let you know.

Good looking out if you can get fleshlight pulled from them. :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

DWB 05-31-2007 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 12516807)
no one here has heard of DRM?

And how exactly does that work for DVDs?

Once you rip the DVD, it's yours. There is no such thing as protecting a DVD, and even the new "crack proof" Blue Ray disks have already been cracked and copied.

DWB 05-31-2007 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR (Post 12517197)
i've got 10 bucks on absolutely NOTHING coming from this thread other than yet another "contest" or payout increase from AFF

Wrong. What came from it is just a wee bit more awareness was made. Big things don't happen over night. One baby step at a time. :2 cents:

NoWhErE 05-31-2007 01:56 AM

Wonder where the hell AFF is?

Juicy was all over this to save Fleshlight's name, yet AFF hasn't even made a squeak :P

Aussie Rebel 05-31-2007 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 12517620)
Wonder where the hell AFF is?

Juicy was all over this to save Fleshlight's name, yet AFF hasn't even made a squeak :P

Your kidding right? I really hope you aren't holding your breath waiting for lars to post a reply

xxxjay 05-31-2007 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12517251)
they both are a huge problems, You own a program but you are bros with the people fucking you, big dilemma... so what you going to do about it ?

Here the big problem. Say AFF did stop taking the traffic? Then who would probably take their spot? Zango.

As long as there is shady traffic out there, someone is gonna buy it.

DWB 05-31-2007 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 12517620)
Wonder where the hell AFF is?

Juicy was all over this to save Fleshlight's name, yet AFF hasn't even made a squeak :P


Yup. Big ups to the Juice. :thumbsup THAT is how it should be taken care of.

Aussie Rebel 05-31-2007 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 12517663)
Here the big problem. Say AFF did stop taking the traffic? Then who would probably take their spot? Zango.

As long as there is shady traffic out there, someone is gonna buy it.

Fuck me, I hope the rest of the program owners have some bigger fuckin balls than you mate, If they think like you do, we're all fucked:2 cents:

BVF 05-31-2007 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 12516730)
You may want to take a trip back in time and see how the TGP industry got it's start.


As for these arguments that the dating sites are keeping torrent sites in business, that is total BS. We know from history that if you remove all income from hacking, warez, music trading and torrent sites that they'll still be there. Plenty of webmasters are more than willing to run these type of sites as a zero income hobby.

Exactly....They'll rip whole websites for nothing more than a cyberpat on the head from their thieving peers.

Aussie Rebel 05-31-2007 04:01 AM

Does jay use zango?

RazorSharpe 05-31-2007 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel (Post 12517897)
Does jay use zango?

Not to my knowledge he doesn't. What the screencap is illustrating is Jay's links on his own site being hijacked by a zango infected PC where that zango ad spot was "cordially brought to you by Cams.Com"

While Jay has a penchant for the extreme behaviour, he doesn't come across to me as being someone who would steal! He's madder than a shit fly at a cow ranch, but he's not a thief ....

Aussie Rebel 05-31-2007 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe (Post 12518062)
Not to my knowledge he doesn't. What the screencap is illustrating is Jay's links on his own site being hijacked by a zango infected PC where that zango ad spot was "cordially brought to you by Cams.Com"

While Jay has a penchant for the extreme behaviour, he doesn't come across to me as being someone who would steal! He's madder than a shit fly at a cow ranch, but he's not a thief ....

Thanks mate I wasn't sure what that meant, and sorry jay

The Duck 05-31-2007 06:33 AM

Its the porn biz, get used to it. Its shit I know.

xclusive 05-31-2007 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 12517663)
Here the big problem. Say AFF did stop taking the traffic? Then who would probably take their spot? Zango.

As long as there is shady traffic out there, someone is gonna buy it.

Damn who neutered you? AFF might as well knock you on your ass and take out half the money in your wallet. Help you up, buy you a drink with your own money then pocket the rest. You shouldn't stand for that shit. I agree there are many more scumbags that will go after the traffic. I say take them down one by one as they step up to the challenge.

RawAlex 05-31-2007 08:43 AM

I am sort of hoping that AFF people might have something to say about all of this.

JD 05-31-2007 08:45 AM

bump bump bump

u-Bob 05-31-2007 09:10 AM

bump cuz content theft hurts us all.

u-Bob 05-31-2007 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 12518867)
I am sort of hoping that AFF people might have something to say about all of this.

I doubt it... they're cowards just like the Sexsearch bunch...

NTSS 05-31-2007 09:20 AM

This industry is full of crooks and thieves. Fuck em all!!!

u-Bob 05-31-2007 09:24 AM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=738176

RazorSharpe 05-31-2007 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel (Post 12518290)
Thanks mate I wasn't sure what that meant, and sorry jay

Not to worry mate since Jay isn't the kind of person to fly off the deepend over some obvious misunderstanding on a message board. :)

Juicy D. Links 05-31-2007 09:42 AM

Fyi
I am corresponding with Fleshlight owner on ths matter I am on road now I will post what fleshlight will be doing about the impeding affs

If you see anymore fl ads on torrent sites lmw

Give me 24 hours I still pissed my car gort fucked

psili 05-31-2007 09:46 AM

This isn't a bad idea...

On a completely un-related topic, I was buying a ring for my wife and got financing through the store who finances through Wells Fargo Financial. A rep from WFF called me to come in, saying I needed to sign some papers for the ring financing. I get there and he starts pitching me on a wonderful home refinance deal. I decide to do it and when it came time to sign the papers, everything he said was a lie, but for some reason I still went with it - only to find out they tacked on $4000 more than the rep said.

I wrote a letter to WFF calling bullshit. Nothing happened.
I wrote a letter to the jewelery store's corporate HR department saying what happened. A couple of days later a regional WFF manager calls me and gave me my $4000 back.

-- Never underestimate the power of the pen.


Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 12516627)
Okay, now my constructive contribution to this thread:

DMCA them.

Start with any single torrent site that has AFF on it and your material. Take screen shots, you will need it. DMCA the torrent site. I know this is likely worthless, but it is a good start. DMCA their hosting company as well.

Now the real stuff: DMCA AFF / Cams.

Quite simply, they are contributing to your content being stolen, providing financial support to those who guide and provide access to the material.

DMCA Google. Any time you see a torrent site with your material on it, DMCA Google, and ask them to remove that site from their listings. Based on the most recent Perfect 10's ruling, Google will likely be very responsive to your missives. Make sure you indicate specific pages you have seen your material listed on, with screen shots.

DMCA AFF's hosting company. Make sure they are aware of the situation.

Do the same with any other advertising company you find on the page. You will almost certainly find AdBrite or similar on there - potentially even Google.

Send a letter to the RIAA and to the Motion Picture Academy. Let them know that a company right in their back yard (AFF / Cams) is actively providing financial support for torrent sites. Let them know the steps you have taken. Encourage them to contact AFF and ask them why this is the case.

At some point, one or the other of these companies or groups will get advice from a lawyer that they are compelled to take action. If things go according to plan, that will include trying to stuff a legal broomstick up AFF's corporate ass.

Don't just bitch - take action.


will76 05-31-2007 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xclusive (Post 12518421)
Damn who neutered you? AFF might as well knock you on your ass and take out half the money in your wallet. Help you up, buy you a drink with your own money then pocket the rest. You shouldn't stand for that shit. I agree there are many more scumbags that will go after the traffic. I say take them down one by one as they step up to the challenge.


It's the bro club fucked up mentality.


" it is ok for my bros to steal from me because if my bros don't do it someone else would and I would rather see my bros gain from my loss".

What fucking logic. This could be applied to anything. My bros fuck my wife, this is ok because i rather my bros do it then someone i don't know. I tripped and fell and my bros fucked me in the ass while i was down, I am cool with this because if my bros didn't fuck me in the ass someone else would so I rather it be a bro, we all know they are big dicks...

RazorSharpe 05-31-2007 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psili (Post 12519232)
This isn't a bad idea...

On a completely un-related topic, I was buying a ring for my wife and got financing through the store who finances through Wells Fargo Financial. A rep from WFF called me to come in, saying I needed to sign some papers for the ring financing. I get there and he starts pitching me on a wonderful home refinance deal. I decide to do it and when it came time to sign the papers, everything he said was a lie, but for some reason I still went with it - only to find out they tacked on $4000 more than the rep said.

I wrote a letter to WFF calling bullshit. Nothing happened.
I wrote a letter to the jewelery store's corporate HR department saying what happened. A couple of days later a regional WFF manager calls me and gave me my $4000 back.

-- Never underestimate the power of the pen.

what kind of pen was it?

...

will76 05-31-2007 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 12519027)
I doubt it... they're cowards just like the Sexsearch bunch...


and the sex bank roll crew is cowards and liars.

Nice Trio of companies that many people here do business with. :upsidedow

Michael O 05-31-2007 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 12516803)
point out any torrent , similar sites with Fleshlight on em if you see em

fileporn.org
http://www.fleshlightcash.com/track/MTAwMTU5Nzo1OjE/

psili 05-31-2007 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe (Post 12519261)
what kind of pen was it?

...

It was actually a generic Dell keyboard. *shrug*

RazorSharpe 05-31-2007 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psili (Post 12519283)
It was actually a generic Dell keyboard. *shrug*

were you trying to pull the wool over my eyes by mentioning a pen when no pen was used? that is highly deceitful!

xxxice 05-31-2007 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12517251)
they both are a huge problems, You own a program but you are bros with the people fucking you, big dilemma... so what you going to do about it ?

Can't wait for the days the bros realize that they are doing each other in a bad way. People seem to forget about all the damage already done and it is just continuing. Your post in the other thread about recommending people with paysites to look for new options or sell is pretty right on. It won't be till these companies are in the ^$(@$% that they realize what has been done and then come to boards like this posting what happened.

I have been taking notes on all of this since since we started hearing about it and removing sponsors right and left. Not that I am a big player or anything but I will not promote companies that are involved in such tactics.

Sad thing is that when I look at some of my trades who do I see that they are advertising the same companies that I am trying to avoid. I haven't taken the step of removing trades for who they promote but lol I am close.

Used to make anywhere from 3k to almost 5k a month in this biz. That has gone down to half if not more now. Yeah I don't skim anymore or have very entertaining sites but when I saw my best sponsor of all time go from under 1 in 1000 to over 1 in 4k I knew that something else must be going on.

Anyways cheers it up bros the damage will hit like a brick one of these days and you will be looking for a job like me peace ...

SilentBean 05-31-2007 10:01 AM

Bump Bump Bump Bump

The Ghost 05-31-2007 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 12516056)
I make the majority of my living producing DVDs. Why is it that every torrent site that has stolen my content and is giving it away, often 10,000+ times per title, sometimes up to 50,000 per title, you are there?

Why do you allow these people to make money off of you? Why do you support these thieves? Why do you pay them?

YOU are directly stealing money from MY pocket. Would it be OK if I smash one of you in the fucking face when I see you somewhere? Would it be OK if I stole or defrauded your company in any way? Of course not, so why are you stealing from me and the countless other directors who make a living doing this?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

You are stealing from me and my family. Fuck each and every person who works for your scandalous companies. You are all pieces of shit. In the end, you will get yours I'm sure of it. :2 cents:

Amen my brother. You know my thoughts on this.

DTK 05-31-2007 10:26 AM

This thread is still alive?? wow

pocketkangaroo 05-31-2007 10:29 AM

I'm glad Fleshlight is going to look into it, but they've been on torrent sites like empornium.us for as long as I can remember. I'm glad that reporting of these sites is being looked into, but I don't buy that the folks at Fleshlight don't know they are getting a ton of traffic from some of the biggest torrent sites on the web.

OzMan 05-31-2007 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12519504)
I'm glad Fleshlight is going to look into it, but they've been on torrent sites like empornium.us for as long as I can remember. I'm glad that reporting of these sites is being looked into, but I don't buy that the folks at Fleshlight don't know they are getting a ton of traffic from some of the biggest torrent sites on the web.

Exactly. Thats why I got a great laugh when Juicy was giving me crap for not posting urls and asking Alex to explain to me the complicated process of how to post a url and Juicy saying how easy it was like I'm a fucking idiot. :1orglaugh:error

I understand that every Sponsor/Rep has to defend their company with the standard "I didn't know but will get it fixed" even if that isn't always true so no problemo.

I didn't initially post the url for four main reasons:

1) All sponsors know where their big affiliates traffic sources are.

2) It doesn't take a net detective to find a sponsor on a torrent site. Anyone could find one in a couple minutes or so. I found it in 30 seconds as it was the first torrent site I tried.

3) Some of the 95% of GFY who are not Webmasters will now have a new place to download stolen content. No biggie I guess as people post torrent sites here every day.

4) Most likely fuck all will be done about it based on previous postings regarding Sponsors supporting illegitimate traffic sources.

Let's see where Fleshlight will fall in the taking action department before you give him too many pats on the back. Nothing against Fleshlight or Juicy, just based on past experience. I hope to be proven wrong in this case.


Usual course of action is generally one of the following:

1) Sponsor does fuck all.

2) Sponsor says they will look into it but does fuck all.

3) Sponsor says they absolutely do not allow it and please report it and they will cancel rogue affiliate but does fuck all.

4) Sponsor says they canceled rogue affiliate but does fuck all.

5) Sponsor cancels one rogue affiliate temporarily but gets him up again with a new ID usually on the same site shortly after.

6) Sponsor permanently cancels affiliates but only those who have complaints and/or don't send much.

7) Sponsor does not allow affiliates to send traffic from Torrent sites and pro actively monitors their large affiliate traffic source instead of waiting for complaints.

Right now I suppose Fleshlight is hovering around number two but hopefully will be at six or seven shortly.

Of course what a sponsor says they will do and what they do can be very different and pretty much impossible to verify except when it's blatantly obvious like the supposedly canceled affiliate url is still valid days, weeks or months later as has happened several times.

RawAlex 05-31-2007 11:43 AM

Ozman, the point is this: If a sponsor does fuck all and stays there, they should be put in the same bin as AFF and responsible webmasters should stay as far the fuck away from them as possible.

Time has come for the tail to wag the dog... enough bullshit!

Aussie Rebel 05-31-2007 03:29 PM

I remember a few months ago there was a post about AFF and the pirate bay, and Lars came in and closed the account and bragged how they aren't taking that traffic, then a couple of days later AFF banners were back up and I posted about it and Lars didn't give a fuck

Aussie Rebel 05-31-2007 09:21 PM

Bump for AFF, seems they bump there own contest threads

Juicy D. Links 05-31-2007 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzMan (Post 12519930)
Exactly. Thats why I got a great laugh when Juicy was giving me crap for not posting urls and asking Alex to explain to me the complicated process of how to post a url and Juicy saying how easy it was like I'm a fucking idiot. :1orglaugh:error

I understand that every Sponsor/Rep has to defend their company with the standard "I didn't know but will get it fixed" even if that isn't always true so no problemo.

I didn't initially post the url for four main reasons:

1) All sponsors know where their big affiliates traffic sources are.

2) It doesn't take a net detective to find a sponsor on a torrent site. Anyone could find one in a couple minutes or so. I found it in 30 seconds as it was the first torrent site I tried.

3) Some of the 95% of GFY who are not Webmasters will now have a new place to download stolen content. No biggie I guess as people post torrent sites here every day.

4) Most likely fuck all will be done about it based on previous postings regarding Sponsors supporting illegitimate traffic sources.

Let's see where Fleshlight will fall in the taking action department before you give him too many pats on the back. Nothing against Fleshlight or Juicy, just based on past experience. I hope to be proven wrong in this case.


Usual course of action is generally one of the following:

1) Sponsor does fuck all.

2) Sponsor says they will look into it but does fuck all.

3) Sponsor says they absolutely do not allow it and please report it and they will cancel rogue affiliate but does fuck all.

4) Sponsor says they canceled rogue affiliate but does fuck all.

5) Sponsor cancels one rogue affiliate temporarily but gets him up again with a new ID usually on the same site shortly after.

6) Sponsor permanently cancels affiliates but only those who have complaints and/or don't send much.

7) Sponsor does not allow affiliates to send traffic from Torrent sites and pro actively monitors their large affiliate traffic source instead of waiting for complaints.

Right now I suppose Fleshlight is hovering around number two but hopefully will be at six or seven shortly.

Of course what a sponsor says they will do and what they do can be very different and pretty much impossible to verify except when it's blatantly obvious like the supposedly canceled affiliate url is still valid days, weeks or months later as has happened several times.

I agree Oz , but keep in mind I am not in FL office and dont have full access to all data or stats except fr my own affs. So there is so much i can do but pass info along to the powers that be.

Juicy D. Links 05-31-2007 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael O (Post 12519278)


yeah thx got him on the list now :disgust

Juicy D. Links 05-31-2007 09:31 PM

Ill post outcome as soon as i get the 411 on this.

Juicy D. Links 05-31-2007 09:33 PM

Oz hit me on da icq man 116999839

DWB 05-31-2007 09:54 PM

Go Juicy!

RawAlex 05-31-2007 10:00 PM

Juicy is da man... no short term profits over long term viability.

RedShoe 05-31-2007 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF (Post 12517871)
Exactly....They'll rip whole websites for nothing more than a cyberpat on the head from their thieving peers.


Believe it or not, this is WAY more true than you think. These idiots rip sites and offer them to thier friends just to gain a higher ranking among their idiot friends.


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