he's a nutcase pushing the boundaries. i am sure there are other nut cases like him that like this stuff which is who he sells this stuff to.
i would never promote his stuff.

it is the freedom of choice that makes this country so great.

if you want that extreme stuff you can find it and watch it in the privacy of your own home.. oh wait, that bubble has been busted.

it really is ridiculous that if an individual, of adult age, purchases a video for the viewing in their own home, that the producer of the content is found to be guilty of the distribution for obscenity.

The jurors were the ONLY ones that didn't have the right not to see max's stuff. you don't see his hardcore videos out in front of people's face in blatant disregard.

the extremeness of his content is not the issue. the issue is how can state or federal prosecutors dictate what someone can view in their homes?

if people in tampa or anywhere purchase and watch his videos.. those people are part of the community.

there are pure-religious folks and downright dirty folks in every community. so no one definition can apply,

a persons moral and ethical divide is there own, when it comes to the privacy of their own home (as evident by the strike down of texas sodomy law and other similar cases).

don't forget, the internet charges were included.. so this is not just about shipping DVD's into "hostile zip codes".

those that wish to point to max's content as being the "bad" content over the content that they show, should remember, in the minds of the religious right and far right, ALL porn is bad.. there is no shades of gray. Porn is offensive and obscene to some, including playboy type photos...so be careful in throwing max under the bus, because other buses are coming up right behind.


Fight the bus stop!

Give that fucker the electric chair. Fuck Max Hardcore.
Sick fuck.

SOrry video's of the portrayal of an Underaged minor screaming for daddy while getting sodomised and crying throughout is fucking wrong.
Period.

I do not care if the model is actually of legal age, I do not care if this kind of shit is distributed. People that thrive on that kind of porn need therapy. Max Hardcore needs therapy. The subject matter is appalling by all civilised standards and you may come accross a little something risky in a main stream film sure that can be argued but the purpose of the mainstream film is not to make the focal point of a crime the entire duration of the film or as they say.. The creative whole of the work.

The selling of simulated sex crime is certainly Obscene I have no doubts about it.
thats why Max Hardcore is not only going to prison but he is going to the loony bin afterwards.

And people wonder why I moved out of the USA and have no assets on American soil.

The fact that some of the jury was bullied into a guilty verdict turns my stomach and is a true testament of how the legal system is a joke.

Sorry to burst your American bubble, but there are a shit load of other countries that also allow "freedom of choice" and actually allow their citizens to choose what happens or watched in the privacy of their own bedroom. :2 cents:

Wow, I don't really know a lot about Max Hardcore but I still believe firmly in that people have the right to do whatever the hell they want in the privacy of their own home as long as everyone is consenting adults. If we let the govt. dictate what we do in our own homes then it won't be long before they start filming or spying on people in their own homes I mean seriously. Who wants the govt running their sex lives? Not me

See, that's why I rose the objection, not as much because you personally were off base, but because it's this oft repeated actually false statement that many people don't verify because it's oft repeated, in a vicious circle.

As to Socrates, the issue there I tend to think is not as much speech as politics. Athens had just been handed its ass by Sparta, and times were very tough. Socrates appeared as a threat to democracy at a time democracy was hanging by a thread. So they let him have it.

But imo it was a political killing, not a matter of speech any more than Trotsky's headbashing was.

if you really believe that, then you need to travel more. americans seem to have this naive idea that the USA is the home of "freedom" and all things right in the world. america is no more free or free to make choices than any other developed nation.. america has simply cornered the market on freedom related rhetoric.

The only conclusion of that is you need therapy. Then again, we've known that for a while.

Fair enough -- but check out “Law, Attic Comedy, and the Regulation of Comic Speech,” by Robert W. Wallace (professor of classics at Northwestern University). Wallace might just persuade you that there were indeed Athenian laws regulating and restricting speech in certain contexts, like speech that could serve to endanger the city, or its leaders.

At least I knew I needed help and got it.

What about you?

Ah, a scholar after my own heart. If I may quote from The Legal Regulation of Private Conduct at Athens: Two Controversies on Freedom (same chap) :

Right -- material harm, which is basically the same rationale behind modern restrictions pertaining to libel, defamation, slander, inciting violence or issuing verbal/written threats.

I guess where we disagree is the point of whether such restrictions constitute a form of legal limitation on free speech...? Or do we in fact disagree? I'm confused now. LOL

i have traveled outside the US, and I do know that people want to come to the US... because we have opportunities here, the ability to choose what you want to do.

I hear people bitching about americans lazy this, america government that, but they are still here because they do have opportunities, and more freedoms to choose to do things.

You have a greater chance of opening up a pizza shop as in immigrant and make a good living than in a person's home country.

Why else are green card lotteries in demand? Why do people want to immigrate here? because we do have freedoms,choices , and opportunities that aren't as prevalent in their homeland..

BUT, we do have issues.. we do have some laws that are slanted.. we don't have a perfect system and we are not a perfect society....you can't pick and choose the good from the bad.


Fight the no vacancies!

I think we're dissagreeing on what material is.

Material the last time I've considered the matter has to be - you know - material. Somebody being offended is not material. Everybody being offended is not material.

Treason, inasmuch as it MATERIALLY benefits the enemy, is not protected speech.

That kind of material.

you are comparing the third world to the first world. just because pakistanis or ethiopians want to move here "for a better life and opportunity" doesn't mean the US is somehow a leader in freedom and opportunity. in fact, the USA ranks very poorly by almost any standard from quality of living, to education to infant mortality or any other measurement used to rate countries.

not only that, you position assumes that people aren't also trying to immigrate to all first
world countries for the same reasons. so anyone could be asking the same rhetorical questions as to why people risk their lives to immigrate to european countries or australia or new zealand or anywhere else.

You are a nuisance here, you bring nothing ... because you are nobody ... you are less then a stain in a boxer short ... you can't even keep your domain without having to cry ...

Being an idiot is one thing, but not realising that you are one is the summum of idiocy ... You have even surpassed that summmit ....You can't even write inyour own language properly ...

I wish that tonight a massive heart attack liberated the universe of your useless and annoying presence.

Meanwhile, try to choke on your saliva. :321GFY

fluffygrrl is making me hawt.

Very good points, all of them. I'll just sit back and watch. :)

And many say the same about you.
Go back under your rock.

Moving host's was the best thing i ever did. I got a dedicated server with full pipe and traffic is moving great for me. Fact is, I do not need the blessing of any of you to operate and thats whats best about this business.

So stick that in your fucken lose asshole and suck it.

After eight years of Bush a lot fewer of us think that than before.

Really?

Could have fooled me.

Yeah, yeah, whatever.

Tell me, do you drive around town with like one of them little jebus fish on the back of your car?

As for your so called existing law, it won't be existing anymore after a higher court tosses it into the gutter. Where it belongs.

I have a personal policy of, if I am guilty I will take a jury trial. If I am innocent, I will let the judge rule.

Sorry to burst your anti-American bubble, but he wasn't convicted for something he did in the privacy of his bedroom.

Very well said.


Spot on again.

Africans are POURING into parts of Europe. Why? Because of location. The same reason Mexicans and Cubans come to the USA instead of Spain.

Americans always want to comment about how people want to come here, risking their lives to do so. Bah. It's just because where we are located and the fact we will work them illegally. If the USA and Canada changed places, they would be running into Canada and not the USA.

You never see 1st world country citizens lined up to sneak into the USA. They come here for holiday and return to their home where they live normal lives, just the same as you and me.

Say it ain't so! Did you figure that out all on your own, or did you need some help?

That was my reply to FTP's post about how the USA is great because it has freedom of choice.

Why would you be in court in the first place? That is the whole point. You shouldn't be, neither should Max.

How about... don't ever be in that position to begin with. :2 cents:

It depends on the judge.

Bucklew is an extreme conservative and anti-porn. She is the same judge that shut down VoyuerDorm by misapplying the zoning laws to it (her ruling was overturned on appeal). Max's best show was with a jury, this is a conservative judge who would have found him guilty in minutes.

Holy words.

Holy words part deux. I have the exact same policy, have been, for years.

This thread delivers after all, hardcore.

America has cornered the american market on freedom related rhetoric, I'd say :)

I think what baddog said would stand to mean he'd pick a jury if he was in MH's shoes.

I concur. It seems to me that the USA is not a safe place for adult business anymore :2 cents:

According to my personal experience of living in the USSR I know if the government screams about freedom every time and everywhere, so there is a serious reason for that. And this reason is always the same: this country is NOT FREE.

The USSR leaders always told the Soviet people that they are living in a most free country in the world, and what the communist party is bringing a freedom to other countries to make them free as well. Right now I see something similar coming out from the USA.

"so called law"??

huh?

i honestly don't get it. do some of you idiots spend 1/2 the day sniffing glue before posting here?

someone just got convicted of 10 counts on those "so called laws". seems pretty real to me and certainly seems like something to think about.


higher courts tossing them into the gutter?

honestly, i have to say that some of you dipshits need a little leeway, coming from a country with some of the worst public eduction in the world... i don't blame you for growing up in a nation full of 1/2 retarded pussies who somehow have decided that you have zero personal accountability in anything. its not your fault... its your parents fault. instead of letting you tell them to shut the hell up, they should have been knocking you on your ass and beating the shit out of you with a belt. so you would have 1/2 a chance in life and have some sense of maturity. ... so, i'll be patient with you and take this moment to clue you in on the fact that these "so called laws" have already been to the highest courts in the country.

I love your posts, they should be taken as a wake up call to our industry.

When exactly did you decide obedience = responsibility and frothing at the mouth = discourse ? Do you remember ?

They're so called laws, because they are, actually, in violation of the constitution. Whether a court agrees or not with this point is a practical test of whether the court comprehends the constitution, nothing else.

They may be real in the sense that misguided people everywhere might be currently applying them, as misguided people at all times have been known to do. That does not make them real in the sense of being actually legal.

:thumbsup
i cant believe how many here are willing to throw max under the bus to protect their reputation. "but people lump us in together and it makes me feel bad." boohoo, get over it. ignorant people will always focus on the extremes to validate their point so if people actually buy into the propaganda that max represents all porn then they've already made up their mind porn is bad. you'll never get those people on your side so sacrificing the extremes to appease the angry mob will only make them hunger for more.

"obedience" ??? what are you talking about? we live in a nation of laws. its not about "obedience" its about operating within the law or at least being in a defensible position to protect yourself. at a minimum, its about understanding the law and the risks involved and accepting responsibilty for the choices you make.

who is "frothing at the mouth"?? i personally don't care who the government prosecutes. i do not, have not and will not operate in the or from the US. nothing justifies the risks.

lets do this. obviously you have a very strong grasp of the subject... begin by explaining how/why the "so called laws" are unconstitutional? when was this ruling made by a court?

again.. you are exactly the type of person i have been talking about this whole time.. the typical, anti-social, anti-authority pornographer who has decided that if a law exists that you don't agree with.. it must be somehow unconstitutional because you don't like it.

how is it unconstitutional? why is it that the constitutionality of obscenity laws aren't being challenged if they aren't constitutional? i dont get it. i really don't. maybe i am missing something.

but quite frankly when pornographers start talking about the law, it basically reads like this:

"blah blah blah... i'll do whatever the fuck i want because you have no right to tell me what to do"

"blah blah blah... try to control me in any way and its totally unconstitutional"

"fuck you if you don't like it, i don't care what you think"

well... guess what? the federal government can tear you apart because you guys, in all your moronic "rugged individualism" make for a very easy target. the christian right or anyone that looks at Max Hardcore shitting on a girl with pig tales, braces and a lollipop do not have that problem. they are motivated, they are organized and they have deep pockets and they are frothing at the mouth to prosecute the max hardcores of the nation as a stepping stone.

while you are blathering on about "rights" , "freedom" ancient greek attempts at democracy or anything else that are irrelevant to the actual laws on the books, people are thinking very hard about how to put you in jail. welcome to democracy... the people that actually organize and care can shape the laws in the communities in which they live. the people that have their heads up their ass, drunk on some bizarre and false sense of entitlement won't have a voice... because they sit around chanting "fuck the world" rather than actually doing something to protect their industry/business/livelihood.

porn will eventually die in the US for the most part. the public isn't going to defend porn. you aren't going to defend porn. pornographers aren't going to defend porn.

you just can't box with your arms at your side... no matter how many people in this biz seem to think they can.

I always thought you were a little smarter than that :(

That's okay, I still agree with what you have to say on most topics.

i dont get your position. you say we should protect the industry by policing ourselves and setting standards and then concede that people will do WHATEVER it takes to end this industry. just because the extremes give them traction with the ignorant sheep doesnt mean they'll stop when max is gone. larry flint was consider "obscene" at one time. i guess he should of gone away too because he was much more "extreme" the playboy. :321GFY

btw, with 2girls1cup, *******, goatse, lemonparty, etc do you think that gen x will consider what max pushes as obscene? especially when they themselves push those urls around trying to shock their friends. i must admit, the first time i saw each i was shocked. today, they could be collage on my background and i wouldnt think twice about it. can we say desensitized?

Because the laws are so fucking vague. Because there's no defined line, hence those laws are impossible to intelligently comply with. Because all the government has to do to secure a conviction is find a few uneducated hillbillies, who speak in tongues (plus maybe a couple of others who are easily intimidated), and pack them into a courtroom in any damn town they please. How's that for starters?


Says you. Some of us here in this country still have confidence in our legal system, to say nothing of our democracy. Trust me, McCain and his "Party of God" will have their asses handed to them in the general election and our constitutional rights will prevail. :thumbsup

the only chance this industry has to survive in its current form is to organize, police and defend itself.

what the fuck is with you people? of course it won't stop. thats the very point of what i am saying. it won't stop.. it won't stop and you do absolutely nothing about it other than grumble about how you somehow believe the constitution promises you the right to shit down a little girls throat while fucking her with a flaming baseball bat... then want to play the victim when the people that actually have their shit together come after you.

larry flynt chose to fight. you fucking retards choose to be attacked. huge difference.

larry flynt chose to defy the law he thought was unconstitutional and only fought back when he was charged with a crime. something you're now complaining we're all doing.