In one of my showers I have only cold water, I need a hot tube I think, how much for a hot tube?

Which is? That most people are for "free registrations"? This isn't news to me, but the popular opinion isn't always the ONLY opinion.

Shows are dangerous?

oooooopps

HEY i can say this much....

XBIZ may have been a free show, but I left and spent more money in Vegas this trip than any other trip i have ever had in January in 11 years.

I was there half as long as the AVN show in Jan as well as the rooms in January are $600 a night- I still spent more at the Hard Rock than ever.

I enjoyed this trip immensely too-

I could eat at NOBU every night of the week.

But If I ever split 8's and get another 8 and a deuce - double down, and lose to a black jack again.... I am going to jump off the fucking roof face first into the concrete

LOL :1orglaugh

lolll how many times i told u that if you play BJ u have to play with me on the table to help you loll.... i took hard rock for ass romp last time , we got a system we use bizzzzleee its all about placing the approp amount on a bet at the best time .... bizzzzzzzzzzzzzle

Thanks Sly. :)

That's fucked up. Really fucked up. I just committed to sponsoring the Atlanta Forum. Ynot has lost my business in any capacity. I won't be associated with some dickhead who thinks it's okay to post negative and libelous statments about my business, as you have so easily did with my friend and business associates at Sexentertain.

I'm curious Connor, other than Ynot, what else have you run?

Haha... wow. Sorry to see you go. ;)

Ya can laugh now, but watch someone will get shot at one of these parties someday.
The violence at each show increases each year.

Figure out why and save a life instead of laughing.

It not to funny really.

I hear you man... and yup, hard to go to Vegas and not spend. I spent a ton there in January... but the hell with it, it's a fun place to visit. But you need to play poker, not blackjack. ;)

Oh man I know... the last show I was at, the violence was so bad that I left in a wheelchair.

Something definitely must be done about this issue.

I am a big webmaster. Who are you? Are you a big guy in this business like I am. I like big things. You have a big, pretty mouth.

What would you expect him to say?

Hes still not very good at this.

There seems to be a train of thought here that a registration fee will keep out the riff raff, thieves, scammers etc. NOT so !!

A 150 registration fee will not keep out people who want to Scam you. It was mentioned here That Sweet T had his laptop ripped off at a show. It was paid admisson. I lost 2500 at a show where my laptop was hacked, paid admisson. and so on and so on......

Wallets get stolen, other untoward things happen, a fee is not going to deter a determined criminal.The PS3 and the gun issue could have happened at any other show. Unfortunately our industry attracts an unsavory element, not much you can do about that, but keep your wits about you.

Now that the free admission to a show is a reality, how about fine tuning it? Work out the kinks, so it is a win - win situation? We need new blood in the business, not all small webmasters starting out can afford huge hotel bills.

YES a 150 registration fee could be a breaking point to some of them. It is nothing to be ashamed of, not all of us started out to be millionaires.

I think you will see the free admisson model prosper in the upcoming years, the promoters will just have to start thinking out of the box:2 cents:

My honest opinion:

Love the idea of free badges, of course problems can easily occur with this like bringing friends, free loaders, etc.

So my opinion is a middle ground solution, free badges, but you need to prove you're in the industry. No on-site registration, must have a website or prove you're related to the industry. If you're new, signup to a program and get them to register on your behalf. Make people jump through some hoops, if its free, they'll do it.

Alternatively, charge a descent registration fee but make sure you get your value's worth. Phx forum might cost a couple hundred but comes with open bars, buffets, snacks, etc. Tons of free items that justifies their fees.

Not pointing fingers here, but a certain other show charges $300 and I never once saw any justification for that other to line their pockets. Not to mention a $17 Mojito in Florida which I know for a fact doesn't cost more than $10 when there isn't a show going on...

PS: I would have loved to come to XBiz this time around Alec, but I'm in the middle of buying my first home so I couldn't make it, next year for sure.

WG

Too bad, eh? You'll eat those words soon enough asshole.

Look who isn't getting invited to the next Sexentertain Dinner.

See this is why nobody ever posts honest opinions on webmaster boards, always someone trying to make you pay for having an alternative opinion. But please... you're free to do as you will of course.

:Oh crap

Who would have thought that skin had grown so thin on GFY. ;)

Wouldnt it be easier just to tell em you are KB's brother ?

Nope, neither of those companies do.

Ill come out and say it.
ITs silly........

If the tube sites keep giving away free content and the webmaster shows keep giving away free registrations how will money ever be made!


Besides by charging for a pass it reduces the level of rift raft a the shows. I for one want less negros with guns at the shows I go to.

Im willing to bet there are less negros at a show where people pay than at a show where it is free.

Negros and people like the Anal Hobbit should pay if they want to come to shows.

I agree with AVN Chris. ITs just damn Silly. He wont say it but I will.

Its about saftey.

C'mon Mike... I saw that as Connor ribbing ya a bit. OF course a free show isn't going to be your deciding factor after having been in the biz now for what... 10 years straight?

Are you black?

That being said, check this idea out...

How about a main sponsor of the trade show BUYS the sponsorship for the online registration. Meaning, that in order to register, you must prove you're a webmaster by signing up for this companies sign up form. Imagine that you have over 1000 attendees signing up for your affiliate program in order to register for the show! They don't have to send traffic, but it puts them through a screener where they at least have to give their tax ID or Social Security # and website. Then, after signing up all of those people through to an affiliate program (which also regs them for the show in 1 swoop), how much would THAT cost for a sponsor? Probably enough that the show can be free to webmasters! And the show makes money!

Genius idea.

WG and I want 10% of this concept as a sponsorship to the first show to do this.

A given.

Oh man.

We all did.

Civilians pay to get in. I know for fact they did at Cybernet Expo in San Diego.

:Oh crap

What about all of the people that do not run websites, etc.?

An alternate concept... say somebody sponsors registration, they can give a discount to everyone of their clients, affiliates, friends, or whatever. It is along the same lines but instead of making traffic a requirement, it is a bonus.

Get back on track you goofballs. This thread is about some big mouth running his big mouth, not the price of shows in china. If you think this thread was about the price of a show you are just as big a dummy as AlienQ.

1000 of todays webmasters is not even worth the BW and storage space on the servers

Sounds great.

I want my 3%

I actually think some of the ideas being passed around this thread are positive. I personally would have preffered Alec to call me personally if he had a problem with me, as i approached him personally and asked if he would like to work together more cohesively in planning dates, etc.

If I crossed any lines I apologize, but honestly I was just answering Mitches request for free badges with my honest opinion on the matter. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

If that was "slamming Xbiz" you be the judge.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by NetBilling
Free admission to all attendees? That would be awesome.

Thats a good one.......

Who would be silly enough to do that?????



Originally Posted by AVNChris
And all joking aside Mitch - there are several good reasons too charge for badges:

1. Qualification - If you pay for something you are invested. Unqualified offers and attendees attract high number but low quality.

2. Quality - We really dont want to be talking to Real Estate and Yahoos who are not in the industry. Charging for a badge cuts those asshats out.

3.Quantity - Even with the charge, we get the largest number of attendees of any industry show. Sponsors have time and again invested in our events because of that.

4. Event Quality - With the news that you will be hearing in the next few days you just may change your tune..... maybe

I love you man....

:1orglaugh

Only partially.

Adult.com used to do that as I recall. You had to be verified by any of the sponsors. Spread the love.

Jay I was being facetious

lol!

Wow Anthony, I really have no idea where that came from. Known you a loooooong time and the way you are personally and frankly I don't see anything libelous in Connor's post. But I definitely do in yours.

It was nice knowing ya, I guess.

Still a great idea.

I don't even think you need to have an affilaite program as the service to do this. It's just the screening process. Any program owner would love to see their stats after getting 1000 webmasters signing up for program, with those numbers, maybe at least 500 of them have affiliate traffic? Then after signing up, certainly a number of them will at least check out the program they just got signed up for, and a number of those people will send joins.

And if not, look at the branding. Everyone sees your program while signing up.

Anyway, sometimes ideas like this need to be explored deeper, we got something here.

$50k for the registration. Going once... Twice...

What, which show wants this $50k?

D your numbers aren't even close. :-) It is still an interesting idea, regardless. Something for people to think about, for sure.

You would be lucky to get 5 :2 cents:

So let me get this straight Jay, someone who infers that business is bad for a program owner is okay in your book, but what I said isn't?

Libelous? Which part? The part where I said I will never do business with Ynot, or the part where I asked Conner what's he's done in this industry other than Ynot?

For next one hour AGA having a special on hand grenades. Keep for this thread at top of page and I throw in complimantary claymore us army mine with purchase.

I read the whole thread what did he say that was libelous? Im confused. I have no dog in this fight but read the whole thing twice and cant figure what got you so angry. :)

You should have been at my table playing Black Jack, killed it....

I think its a free country and we in the Adult Industry should defend the First Amendment with our lives. Chris is one of the best sales people i have ever had the pleasure to work with.
Free or not free we all get what we pay for and pay for what we get.
I personally had a great time and met some amazing Industry leaders in Vegas this year.

I was hoping to get someone to pay the $50k for it so I can get my 10% (split with WG)!

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh


LOL

But you're right, I just used some numbers on the theory that half of the people must have a link somewhere? I'd hope. But hey, maybe Datatank is right with his number.

I think you need to quit being whiney and thin skinned thats what I think.

Is your show successful? profitable?

If so the why the fuck are you whining about this

suck it up buttercup

It's your Show Helmy. Whatever you are doing and however you are doing it. It's working and it brings the industry together.

Great job. :thumbsup

Or, I inferred that I didn't really believe that the cost of a badge registration was REALLY a deciding factor for a major program. I thought that was obvious... apparently not.

avnjustin, you confuse achmed with twisted words. please for sake of english as second language please say for me what means you in straight words english.

All I'm going to say here Anthony, is reread Connor's post and think about it, then reread yours and think about it. My response to you needs no further clarification.

And since you will never do business with YNOT again, I'll make it easier for both of us by removing you from my ICQ and my AWW friends list. No need to accidentally cross paths again.