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DatingGameExpert 08-04-2008 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559412)
Listen cock chugger, people who lie and pull stunts like you don't always seem to conduct themselves well. If you are willing to go to such great lengths by faking a chat, then what does that say about your character? Maybe you fake other things. Maybe you don't want the true story to come out. It will. And trust me, this segment is only small part of your industry. But I will say this, at least you provide enough negativity to keep the docu appearing unbiased. Woot Woot bitch!

You have to be one of the worst so called film makers out there. You show us nothing in the way of previous work, talk about how you know people in the industry and then you come here asking senile noob type questions.

Cool! I get my own segment! Listen bro, I'm sorry I exposed you, can you make sure that when you sell the dvd (I assume you'll be making dvd's of the doc) that you credit my name on the front, since I'm going to be featured in the doc I'd like to at least be on the front or maybe the back if not the front. I can't wait, I'm sure that the 4 family members that will watch it will love hearing about how you got into an argument on a forum, that makes for some terrific documentary material right there.

In fact, why not pitch it to Miramax, I'm sure they will be able to sell a ton of those based on the forum drama here today. :1orglaugh

tony286 08-04-2008 01:19 PM

Matt, you seem like an ambitious guy.Which is very cool .Wouldn't it have been better to approach the board not with a manifesto saying all things you think we are doing wrong. But instead come introduce yourself and give some of your credits.
Just to say its going to be positive when the porn manifesto wasn't positive at all or are some of your blog posts. It reads like you have a very clear agenda and it doesn't read positive. Especially when you keep arguing on this board and threatening people. It doesn't build trust. Also as stupid as you might hear GFY is or they call it the jungle. Most of the whose who glance thru it. So if you want to reach those people. I think it would be better to present yourself in a more professional and positive light. Just my 50 cents. :)

klaze 08-04-2008 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559462)
Klaze, I dabble in the web, but not in adult. The questions I am asking are simply for back stories. There is a lot of misconceptions out there such as any Joe could pick up a MiniDV cam for $200 and make porn. By asking these types questions, I am merely collecting information to discredit a lot of wrong information being reported.

Back stories? you are asking how stuff is done. Questions that when you ask them make you look a certain way.

Sorry but any Joe COULD pick up a MiniDV cam and make porn.

Porn is not about what you seem to be concerned with which is special cameras and lighting tricks.

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Heres what I don't get. Dateline or 20/20 runs a report on your industry, paints you all to be the child porn money hungry abusive mother fuckers and you all get upset and angry. But when someone who wishes to be honest and present the other side of the story and focus on the positive side, you get all upset again and do everything you can to cause problems. One would think that ANY positive coverage would be welcomed since the majority if not all coverage has been negative.
Hey man I would love to see a documentary about the Online Adult Industry.. Dunno wtf you'd talk about for 52 minutes tho :)

You are just the wrong person to be telling the story.

I'm suspicious of you sounds like you are playing dumb.. I'd say yer a troll nick of another member here who is just fishing for information..

tony286 08-04-2008 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559462)
Klaze, I dabble in the web, but not in adult. The questions I am asking are simply for back stories. There is a lot of misconceptions out there such as any Joe could pick up a MiniDV cam for $200 and make porn. By asking these types questions, I am merely collecting information to discredit a lot of wrong information being reported.

Heres what I don't get. Dateline or 20/20 runs a report on your industry, paints you all to be the child porn money hungry abusive mother fuckers and you all get upset and angry. But when someone who wishes to be honest and present the other side of the story and focus on the positive side, you get all upset again and do everything you can to cause problems. One would think that ANY positive coverage would be welcomed since the majority if not all coverage has been negative.

Actually I think it was 2 weeks 20/20 had a sex episode and John Stossel was very fair with us. I was impressed.Also I would recommend to watch the episode of the show on the secret lives of women did a very positive show on Savanna Samson.

Deej 08-04-2008 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14559518)
Matt, you seem like an ambitious guy.Which is very cool .Wouldn't it have been better to approach the board not with a manifesto saying all things you think we are doing wrong. But instead come introduce yourself and give some of your credits.
Just to say its going to be positive when the porn manifesto wasn't positive at all or are some of your blog posts. It reads like you have a very clear agenda and it doesn't read positive. Especially when you keep arguing on this board and threatening people. It doesn't build trust. Also as stupid as you might hear GFY is or they call it the jungle. Most of the whose who glance thru it. So if you want to reach those people. I think it would be better to present yourself in a more professional and positive light. Just my 50 cents. :)

oh so true...

xmas13 08-04-2008 01:30 PM

Documentary? Yeah right. :2 cents:

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14559518)
Matt, you seem like an ambitious guy.Which is very cool .Wouldn't it have been better to approach the board not with a manifesto saying all things you think we are doing wrong. But instead come introduce yourself and give some of your credits.
Just to say its going to be positive when the porn manifesto wasn't positive at all or are some of your blog posts. It reads like you have a very clear agenda and it doesn't read positive. Especially when you keep arguing on this board and threatening people. It doesn't build trust. Also as stupid as you might hear GFY is or they call it the jungle. Most of the whose who glance thru it. So if you want to reach those people. I think it would be better to present yourself in a more professional and positive light. Just my 50 cents. :)

All points well taken. Perhaps my manifesto was a bit overboard but it was the truth. The only agenda I have is for the truth. Now it very well may turn out that everything network news has said is true. If so, thats what I will present. But I tend to think that it is the furthest thing from the true. I am not here to sensationalize anything.

I am all for being cool with people, even those I disagree with until they begin posting fake chats to try and discredit an honest attempt to do something positive.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by klaze (Post 14559547)
Back stories? you are asking how stuff is done. Questions that when you ask them make you look a certain way.

Sorry but any Joe COULD pick up a MiniDV cam and make porn.

Porn is not about what you seem to be concerned with which is special cameras and lighting tricks.



Hey man I would love to see a documentary about the Online Adult Industry.. Dunno wtf you'd talk about for 52 minutes tho :)

You are just the wrong person to be telling the story.

I'm suspicious of you sounds like you are playing dumb.. I'd say yer a troll nick of another member here who is just fishing for information..

I am asking the questions that viewers will want to know. Does it make sense for me to go in great length about TGPs when the viewer will not even know what it stands for. Theres so many ways for this documentary to go and so much information to cover. While it is still in the infancy stage, I am trying gauge what is the better route and what topics provide the more interesting story to cover.

But its funny that there are some expecting me to divulge all this information about myself, my work, and my credit meanwhile, they too hide behind persona. The difference between most, is that my involvement with this documentary will most likely end my career in the mainstream market. I am not so sure I am wishing to give that up just yet. However, artistically, I feel compelled to cover this story on the adult world. But just like many involved in adult, they choose to keep their real names and associations private for the same fear of criticism and discrimination that society places on all involved in it.

The reality is that unless I come out with a documentary that totally denounces porn and paints you in poor negative, abusive nature, my mainstream options will decrease. How many people in this industry right now, that are open about what they do and if they quit your industry today, could get a real job that required something completely different than what they do now ( I am not talking about webmasters.) How many porn directors have honestly transitioned to mainstream, major budget films? ZERO. I still have that aspiration but my desire for the truth is far greater at this time.

DatingGameExpert 08-04-2008 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559593)
All points well taken. Perhaps my manifesto was a bit overboard but it was the truth. The only agenda I have is for the truth. Now it very well may turn out that everything network news has said is true. If so, thats what I will present. But I tend to think that it is the furthest thing from the true. I am not here to sensationalize anything.

I am all for being cool with people, even those I disagree with until they begin posting fake chats to try and discredit an honest attempt to do something positive.

Yeah but the thing here is: we haven't been posting fake chats. You imed me, I'm simply showing people what a lying coward clown you are.

Tom_PM 08-04-2008 01:42 PM

"the truth"?
What truth?
Who's truth?

Documentary on WHAT?

klaze 08-04-2008 01:43 PM

Dude you are not going to be a hero.

You need to focus on something more specific than "The Truth"

You know how many people have tried to tell "The Truth!" before you?

What's your story going to be about? who or what are you going to follow?

Tom_PM 08-04-2008 01:43 PM

From the sounds of it so far, you may as well ask Amazon.com why they decided to use the internet to sell books. The answers are 100% identical.

You need to narrow down what the hell you want to FOCUS on and then do so by asking the right questions.

tony286 08-04-2008 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559593)
All points well taken. Perhaps my manifesto was a bit overboard but it was the truth. The only agenda I have is for the truth. Now it very well may turn out that everything network news has said is true. If so, thats what I will present. But I tend to think that it is the furthest thing from the true. I am not here to sensationalize anything.

I am all for being cool with people, even those I disagree with until they begin posting fake chats to try and discredit an honest attempt to do something positive.

Your manifest isnt based on the truth? Matt its based on generalizations. Like you named Tawney Stone but you didnt do your home work. So how can you say its based on truth? Once again its seems you have a very clear agenda and its not positive. You wouldn't be the first to use us as a stepping stone or to get ratings. lol Best of luck to you.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DatingGameExpert (Post 14559676)
Yeah but the thing here is: we haven't been posting fake chats. You imed me, I'm simply showing people what a lying coward clown you are.

I have already posted the pics that show the time the account was created which was after your fake chat thread.

tony286 08-04-2008 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559661)
I am asking the questions that viewers will want to know. Does it make sense for me to go in great length about TGPs when the viewer will not even know what it stands for. Theres so many ways for this documentary to go and so much information to cover. While it is still in the infancy stage, I am trying gauge what is the better route and what topics provide the more interesting story to cover.

But its funny that there are some expecting me to divulge all this information about myself, my work, and my credit meanwhile, they too hide behind persona. The difference between most, is that my involvement with this documentary will most likely end my career in the mainstream market. I am not so sure I am wishing to give that up just yet. However, artistically, I feel compelled to cover this story on the adult world. But just like many involved in adult, they choose to keep their real names and associations private for the same fear of criticism and discrimination that society places on all involved in it.

The reality is that unless I come out with a documentary that totally denounces porn and paints you in poor negative, abusive nature, my mainstream options will decrease. How many people in this industry right now, that are open about what they do and if they quit your industry today, could get a real job that required something completely different than what they do now ( I am not talking about webmasters.) How many porn directors have honestly transitioned to mainstream, major budget films? ZERO. I still have that aspiration but my desire for the truth is far greater at this time.

It didn't hurt the secret lives of women to be positive. Didn't hurt the real sex people or pornatopia or penn and teller. It didnt hurt the people who created Seymour Butts show family business.Gregory Dark went from porn to music video including Mandy Moore and I think did a film or two.Again you have a very negative view.

DatingGameExpert 08-04-2008 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559734)
I have already posted the pics that show the time the account was created which was after your fake chat thread.

Yes and I already replied with a pic of the Photoshop retail box.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14559711)
Your manifest isnt based on the truth? Matt its based on generalizations. Like you named Tawney Stone but you didnt do your home work. So how can you say its based on truth? Once again its seems you have a very clear agenda and its not positive. You wouldn't be the first to use us as a stepping stone or to get ratings. lol Best of luck to you.

It is based on truth. What part of anything I said was untrue? The Tawney thing was pointed out and I digressed on that even though the statement I wrote was true. Her age hasnt changed on the site since it launched.

I suppose you will have to wait and see if I have an agenda or not. And when you do see that I don't, all I would like is a simple apology.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DatingGameExpert (Post 14559745)
Yes and I already replied with a pic of the Photoshop retail box.

Dude, will yo be at Internext? I will be there. Perhaps that would provide a better forum for you and I discuss and handle business if you catch my drift.

ADL Colin 08-04-2008 01:56 PM

Why interview people on an adult messageboard for a video documentary? Would seem to make more sense to me to just contact some of the more iconoclastic or controversial people in the industry, interview them on cam and hope for some fireworks

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14559739)
It didn't hurt the secret lives of women to be positive. Didn't hurt the real sex people or pornatopia or penn and teller. It didnt hurt the people who created Seymour Butts show family business.Gregory Dark went from porn to music video including Mandy Moore and I think did a film or two.Again you have a very negative view.

And those shows that you have stated are all under contract to HBO and Showtime and are all on pay cable. Depending on the amount of success of this, I will have to make a decision then what to do. But right now, I am doing nothing more than protecting my career the same many here have chosen to do.

tony286 08-04-2008 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559762)
It is based on truth. What part of anything I said was untrue? The Tawney thing was pointed out and I digressed on that even though the statement I wrote was true. Her age hasnt changed on the site since it launched.

I suppose you will have to wait and see if I have an agenda or not. And when you do see that I don't, all I would like is a simple apology.

Not everyone does those things you spoke about. As far as Tawney its fantasy not reality, you really don't understand that? All I can go by is your words, so in your manifesto you think we are pretty fucked up and then your last blog entry you dont paint a pretty picture and its seems to going to lowest common denominator. And you're surprised I think you are going to go negative? You're kidding right?

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 14559769)
Why interview people on an adult messageboard for a video documentary? Would seem to make more sense to me to just contact some of the more iconoclastic or controversial people in the industry, interview them on cam and hope for some fireworks

Dude, I am not looking for fireworks. I am not trying to be Michael Moore. This isnt the only place i am gathering my research. But it is one place that webmasters, content producers, sponsors, and even performers all congregate.

James124 08-04-2008 02:02 PM

Hit up Achmed for interview about camel porn... should be worth a watch :)

tony286 08-04-2008 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559781)
And those shows that you have stated are all under contract to HBO and Showtime and are all on pay cable. Depending on the amount of success of this, I will have to make a decision then what to do. But right now, I am doing nothing more than protecting my career the same many here have chosen to do.

You said if you go positive your career is over, I showed you a bunch that were positive and their careers arent over Also a porn guy who did music videos for 16 yr old female singers.
Also if your worried about protecting you career then you will not going to be a very interesting film maker. The great ones take risks.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14559792)
Not everyone does those things you spoke about. As far as Tawney its fantasy not reality, you really don't understand that? All I can go by is your words, so in your manifesto you think we are pretty fucked up and then your last blog entry you dont paint a pretty picture and its seems to going to lowest common denominator. And you're surprised I think you are going to go negative? You're kidding right?

Actually, I am surprised. I do think many of those companies are fucking up. Because anyone of those ideas could help a slow sales market prevent further decline if not even help it rebound.

The latest blog entry dealt with 2257, so I will assume you are referring to the previous one. Those are the same questions always be posed of the adult industry and those are the questions that I intend to strike down. Have any of you ever watched a true documentary? You always ask the questions before giving the answers. Its a way to involve the viewers and get them to make a decision before you provide them the answer. That is where real change takes place. Having a viewer recall their previous perception and then provide the answers that proves it wrong while providing them with a new informed perception.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14559809)
You said if you go positive your career is over, I showed you a bunch that were positive and their careers arent over Also a porn guy who did music videos for 16 yr old female singers.
Also if your worried about protecting you career then you will not going to be a very interesting film maker. The great ones take risks.

For who I work with, it would be a death knell. And frankly, working for any pay cable is not what I wish to do. Thats why I have chose the path I have.

klaze 08-04-2008 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559762)
It is based on truth. What part of anything I said was untrue? The Tawney thing was pointed out and I digressed on that even though the statement I wrote was true. Her age hasnt changed on the site since it launched.

I suppose you will have to wait and see if I have an agenda or not. And when you do see that I don't, all I would like is a simple apology.

:1orglaugh Dude you are bent out of shape about Tawnee Stone's website saying she is 19 after 5 years?

You think that is a bad thing and surfers are being lied to?

Well you can take one of the biggest players in Adult industry history and write him off your list of people who will talk to you..

klaze 08-04-2008 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559821)
For who I work with, it would be a death knell. And frankly, working for any pay cable is not what I wish to do. Thats why I have chose the path I have.

You just said you wanted to sell the docu to Pay Cable... wtf are you talking about.

tony286 08-04-2008 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559815)
Actually, I am surprised. I do think many of those companies are fucking up. Because anyone of those ideas could help a slow sales market prevent further decline if not even help it rebound.

The latest blog entry dealt with 2257, so I will assume you are referring to the previous one. Those are the same questions always be posed of the adult industry and those are the questions that I intend to strike down. Have any of you ever watched a true documentary? You always ask the questions before giving the answers. Its a way to involve the viewers and get them to make a decision before you provide them the answer. That is where real change takes place. Having a viewer recall their previous perception and then provide the answers that proves it wrong while providing them with a new informed perception.

See once again if you did your homework you would know. There are sites where customers can win things. Also there are shit load of sites where girls and sites have fans be in scenes.
Again for someone who is going to be positive, I haven't read one thing you have written that's positive only the word positive. If Im wrong please show me. I have no problem saying I was wrong.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by klaze (Post 14559681)
Dude you are not going to be a hero.

You need to focus on something more specific than "The Truth"

You know how many people have tried to tell "The Truth!" before you?

What's your story going to be about? who or what are you going to follow?

Not looking to be a hero. Those that have tried before me have failed for various reasons. How about waiting until you see a finished product before passing judgment?

Focusing is what I am working on now. A good journalist considers all avenues before proceeding down just any path.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by klaze (Post 14559828)
:1orglaugh Dude you are bent out of shape about Tawnee Stone's website saying she is 19 after 5 years?

You think that is a bad thing and surfers are being lied to?

Well you can take one of the biggest players in Adult industry history and write him off your list of people who will talk to you..

Out of all the webmasters' problem section, this is the only thing you pull out and address?

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14559842)
See once again if you did your homework you would know. There are sites where customers can win things. Also there are shit load of sites where girls and sites have fans be in scenes.
Again for someone who is going to be positive, I haven't read one thing you have written that's positive only the word positive. If Im wrong please show me. I have no problem saying I was wrong.

But the same sites, webmasters, sponsors etc.. experiencing the slow sales and bitching about it are the ones who aren't doing those things.

Not everyone is fucking up, but the number is far greater tan those that are doing it right.

klaze 08-04-2008 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559868)
Out of all the webmasters' problem section, this is the only thing you pull out and address?

I address it because it was just brought up.

Interesting how you first say you are here to present the truth the positive view of the adult industry the view mainstream media ignores...

But now you are talking about problems with tours lying about ages?

Seems to me you are full of shit about something...

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Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559885)
But the same sites, webmasters, sponsors etc.. experiencing the slow sales and bitching about it are the ones who aren't doing those things.

Not everyone is fucking up, but the number is far greater tan those that are doing it right.

Interesting comments from you I must say...

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by klaze (Post 14559838)
You just said you wanted to sell the docu to Pay Cable... wtf are you talking about.

Because selling to pay cable would pay a nice chunk of change and if that route were to happen, all of my serious non-cable work would dry up. Thats why the consideration is there. Please remember, just as you all are claiming I dont know what the fuck I am talking about in the adult industry, many of you are doing the same when it comes to mainstream and pay cable work. Thats why I am asking the questions so that I can be more informed about the correct ways and not present it incorrectly.

DatingGameExpert 08-04-2008 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559766)
Dude, will yo be at Internext? I will be there. Perhaps that would provide a better forum for you and I discuss and handle business if you catch my drift.

Yeah I'll be there and when I see you I'll kick the fuck out of you, how's about that shit? Make a doc about that you cocksucker.

Deej 08-04-2008 02:22 PM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3cvotwO0Kwo

klaze 08-04-2008 02:23 PM

Mattsbeachhouse has been very busy.

http://www.mikesouth.com/reader-mail...4/#comment-820

For a newb he sure has an opinion..

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by klaze (Post 14559900)
I address it because it was just brought up.

Interesting how you first say you are here to present the truth the positive view of the adult industry the view mainstream media ignores...

But now you are talking about problems with tours lying about ages?

Seems to me you are full of shit about something...



Interesting comments from you I must say...

So address the entire thing. Do you consider it a lie and theft when there are pre-checked cross sales that the customer is not made aware of? Do you not agree that there are websites that do not provide updates enough and end up having one of their customers rip their site and dump it on the net? Do you think this could be one of the reason people look to other avenues for free porn rather than continue getting fucked over?

I have presented s many real issues that went unaddressed. But out of all of my writing, you take issue about an age that hasnt change? Is it a lie? Perhaps. Is it fantasy? Perhaps. But shouldnt reality reflect reality?

DatingGameExpert 08-04-2008 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by klaze (Post 14559933)
Mattsbeachhouse has been very busy.

http://www.mikesouth.com/reader-mail...4/#comment-820

He also seems to be a self appointed expert on everything adult.

"Porn companies MUST evolve and adapt for continue the downward slide."

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DatingGameExpert (Post 14559915)
Yeah I'll be there and when I see you I'll kick the fuck out of you, how's about that shit? Make a doc about that you cocksucker.

I wouldnt be so sure of the outcome there Shirley.


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