They must all be quacks!
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ut_030320.html

Global warming is reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal we humans TOTALLY did it!!!

I'd love to see real science behind the theory.. not junk science. Global warming may be happening (due to forces ENTIRELY out of man's control), but it's not us doing it..unless of course, we're also somehow creating global warming on mars, triton and other bodies in the solar system. No, wait it's the little green men again..heh.

so funny to see the extreme right wing club clinging to false fact.

Check out how much Groenland ( Greenland ) has lost of its mass of ice over the past 5 years ...Enough to fill 37 Cheasapeake bay ....

Not the first time in history and not the last time those kind of catastrophic melts will happen. It's a fairly predictable cycle that can be intrinsically linked with SOLAR CYCLES... unless of course you can explain warming on other planets too....?

wrong. we are fleas? yes look how much destuction of the planet us fleas have caused. we have populated the entired planet. We have caused the extinction of tens of thousands of species and brought other to the brink of extinction. Look at all the land we have torn up to build all our cities. Mother Nature never wiped out 100% of all life on Earth, man has that power and can do it quickly and not take eons. To deny man can do great harm is to be obtuse and ignorant and possible downright stupid.

These same retard at first deny ANY kindof global warming. Now they denyman made global warming. Hard to deny global warming due to CO2 when we have VENUS as proof CO2 can make planet HOT. So now that we established that CO2 in the atmosphere WARMS it up and you have the fact that mankind if putting CO2 into the air. Then if one uses LOGIC mankind is contriubuting to the warming of the earth.

One asteroid can and has done more damage than we humans have in the 90,000 some-odd years modern humans have been on this planet. Mother nature has not only come close to wiping out 100% of the life on earth, but it's done so MULTIPLE times, and we have an awful lot of bones in museums to pay testament to both that fact, and the fact that climate change, mass extinction of species, and change in environment are hardly unique to our lifetimes.

At the height of the cold war if the US and USSR had launched all this nuclear missles that would have done more damage and any asteroid has done. And would have done it in hours not 90,000 years. nice try.

the real question is why are you for pollution? Stop dismissing logic. You must be a shill for the oil companies or something. You POV is totally illogical.

Fleas can kill the host, humans can not kill earth. Man can not kill everything on this earth either. Man doesn't have enough power to kill all the humans, let alone everything else.

Apparently you need to read some of the articles from the HIGHLY RESPECTED SCIENTISTS AND SCIENTIFIC sources who basically prove the "man-made global warming theory" to be completely bunk. I don't think I've personally ever said global warming doesn't exist, but I will say people sure didn't do it. And remember boys and girls, usually a global warming trend is followed by a massive global COOLING trend, I'd be FAR more worried about that than the warmth.

http://ff.org/centers/csspp/library/...06-23/dark.htm

"The previous cycle of the millennial-scale oscillation of climate that brought the planet the Little Ice Age and Modern Warm Period introduced the world to the Dark Ages Cold Period and Medieval Warm Period. We here report on this phenomenon as it occurred in South America, focusing on the Dark Ages Cold Period. "

The last time this happened.. the world of plenty from the warmth was driven down into the dark ages by the horrible cold and famine that followed. That is far more disturbing to me than seeing the world get warmer for a few years. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Haha, in a single day the under water volcanoes release more Co2 and toxins into the air "daily" then humans do every 10 years.


50 degrees!

Just ignore GatorB, he isn't very smart and really not worth arguing about. His "logic" is flawed, much like his mind. Good discussion everyone else though.

There's a difference between stopping polution for it's own sake, or using global warming as a scare tactic and sales ploy to lead frightened people around by the nose. I believe in a clean world. I don't believe in misleading the masses in what amounts to worldwide fraud in order to get money. These days you can't get a grant as a scientist unless it has somethign to do with global warming. Think that's for scientific reasons, or political ones? Consider the source and realize that the global warming scam they're trying to pass off to people is just that, a scam. Has nothing to do with science and truth, and everything to do with political leverage and the money-making machine.

Global warming is caused by the sun

Not wanting to see our economy destroyed and our government engage in a variety massive socialist boondoggles to fix a problem which does not even exist hardly makes her a shill for the oil companies. While I am well aware that you are an idiot and a liar the idea that you would attack someone else for not being logically consistent really takes the prize. :1orglaugh

More IDIOTS, according to the cykoe6, Warchild ( change your location to Vancouver, BC ...) and other so called successfull business people ... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sea level could rise by 150cm, US scientists warn

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...lkins1_276.jpg
A breaking ice shelf in Antarctica ... many scientists fear the world is close to a tipping point. Jim Elliott/British Antarctic Survey/AP


Is it nature only ? or man-made only ? or both ? Nobody can be 100% affirmative... but people should think about doing what has to be done in respect to diminishing the risk....


If my servers are up and running since a year, and if since a year I have been peeing in the tub ... well, even tough I cannot prove that peeing in the tub is directly responsible for the uptime, I will pee in the tub so I have all chances on my side....

And the GW problem is now more caused by China and India, so keep your USA flag in your top drawer for other occasions ...

i'm sorry, WHEN it gets hotter. I used if incorrectly.

If you want a look at how humans are affecting the enviroment, you can look at how transportation has made it easier for cross-species-contamination of other eco-domes.

you can look at pesticides and bees! this is the tip of the proverbial iceberg when it comes down to it. The earth has been here for a long time with it's own order. Our civilization is obviously having an impact on that natural order. I agree with you that we don't know the reason of the global fluctuations, but i also think that these seemingly inconsequential actions on our part can grow into something that is completely out of our control, and directly into mother nature.

we dump co2 into the atmosphere, it screws shit up. mother nature has shown that it fixes itself by covering everything with ice, and starting over. humanity has survived this before..

4 things are facts:
1. The earth is getting warmer
2. CO2 traps heat
3. CO2 have increased by huge numbers
4. The increase in CO2 is man made

Climate change comes naturally, but still we have influence in it today.

Well you mentioned Timothy Ball but didn't mention he is an oil industry consultant. This source you quoted more than once is a little suspect and among all of his clams this one is priceless: "A warmer Canada would improve our lives in these and other ways too numerous to list. Global warming? Let's hope so". After working as a sales rep in the ag industry for several years its common knowledge that the crops we currently grow can only do so with the these yields at our current temperatures, and if the average temperature fluctuates more than 2-3C yields will plummet. "A warmer Canada would improve our lives..." pewk... this kind of stupidity is astonishing from someone claiming to be a climatologist.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tim_Ball

The other thing I was wondering was about the article on Mars warming. If the sun was in fact responsible for the "global" warming on Mars would it not be "global" warming not just in the southern pole. Does anyone else have and links to other Mars warming articles?

Yea. I'll just quote STB. He saves forests and shit, after all, and summed it up rather nicely.

This stuff is weird

funny to see most of the US folks refuse to believe its real ...
you are well trained by yer govts shit huh? THATs unreal ...

But you skip the national geographic (which is still a trusted source as far as I'm aware) and several other accredited scientists to pick the one who MIGHT be questionable. Ok :)

There's a lot more involved in climate change on earth than just co2 in the atmosphere, and in fact, co2 is not even the most important (or even the most effective) greenhouse gas. That would be methane.

Things like where the earth is in it's rotation around the sun, or planetary wobbles known as Milankovich cycles can have dramatic effects on climate for tens or hundreds of thousands of years, by altering the amount of heat recieved from the sun. More than anything, these cycles can effect how carbon is stored on the planet. When carbon is released into the atmosphere it quickly combines with oxygen to create carbon dioxide gas. This mass of carbon dioxide can work to either warm or cool the planet (think of it like one of those warm/cool bags). It can go from a large biomass like a forest, into the atmosphere, and from there into the ocean. It's more the distribution of carbon that is the controlling factor in climate.

All that being said.... since we dump 6 billion cubic tons of carbon into the atmosphere, and they can find only 3 billion..where's the rest? Well sudden growth of the rainforests has been a side-effect of carbon-dioxide rich atmospheric conditions, and it's been shown that they've absorbed upwards of 3 billion cubic tons per year of carbon dioxide and effectively used it to fuel growth (we all remember grade school, plants live on carbon dioxide and throw off oxygen as waste). Destroying those rainforests is bad, but in essense, the earth is a closed system capable of dealing with dramatic increases in carbon dioxide. There's enough carbon/methane trapped in the earth itself to turn the planet into a waste, and it's also been shown that it has happened before, if memory serves correctly about 55 million years ago.

We as humans don't help the situation... polluting and destroying the environment is not ok. But let's be honest here, there's no way all the panic about what we're doing is justified, nor is it worth all the billions of dollars poured into the coffers of those on the global warming soap box.. would all that money/time/effort not better have been spent teaching people better earth husbandry and doing it for the reason of having a clean planet? People don't learn well while panicked. They fall to desperate measures, trying to fix it however they can, even if it doesn't make sense.

All the mishmash and politics have no place in the real science of the matter.

This will probably go ignored as most of my posts seem to or maybe I am spot on more than I think. Also I repeat that I acknowledge global warming and with my study of it I don't buy into man causing it. That is NOT the same as denying it.

And LadyMischief... Nice Post :thumbsup

At any rate, this man made global warming IS a means to bigger pocket books. If it is cyclical like I and many others believe, very crediable scientists at that, then there is nothing to be gained from it.

However, if MAN is the cause, then regulations can be made to control who gets to pollute and who doesn't. Believe it or not there are people who are more willing to pay millions of dollars a year to buy pollution privileges than spend those millions seeking eco friendly solutions.

Just check out this video that was on CNN this week: http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/tec...nhouse.ninenet

Most important is towards the end of that video, this:
"... companies will pay the government about $12 billion a year for permits to pollute."

So you tell me who profits off man made global warming? The same people drumming the theory into the publics head... GOVERNMENTS.

Whether it's a fact or not a fact is immaterial to me. I tend to make fun of it and bring up GLOBAL COLDENING whenever anyone starts spouting about the evil nature-poluting humans and global warming, mostly because right now it's -40 with the windchill here... but the main point for me is that it can't hurt for us as individuals to change a few habits and make our lives a little more green-friendly as they say.

Me, I've arranged my life so that I haven't had to drive a vehicle to work for going on 18 years. I've invested tens of thousands into my rental property to have it insulated and insulated siding put on, it's now R-24 in the walls and R-50 in the attic. I had an energy efficient furnace installed. I have water saving devices installed in all toilet tanks of the house which saves a ton of water each year, plus had new windows put in throughout, and am working on putting in more energy efficient appliances.

I walk and ride my mountain bike places more than I have in probably 20 years now.

It's a start, and it can't hurt. AND doing it doesn't mean you agree with the global warming crowd. It just means you realize the planet is changing in some ways for the worse and you're willing to do your part to at least postpone the inevitable. Hell, if we all pitched in and did a few things greener, and also started putting Beano into the feed of the world's cattle so they don't fart anymore I bet the polar ice caps would turn the corner and start growing again. :D