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dyna mo 02-26-2009 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bash (Post 15555698)
All you need to do is search gfy and you will see over several hours of natnet downtime in just the past few months. do a search mate. Not only nat net but gfy is a good place to start research on any host for downtime or bad support or anyother info you might want to find.:2 cents::2 cents:

that's simply not true. take your own suggestion and do that search yourself

and you completely disregarded my own stated experience of 5+ years being a natnet customer, which supercedes your perception.

SiMpLe 02-26-2009 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell (Post 15555623)
There is/was in fact a broadcast storm on the multi-terrabit peering fabric at the NAP of the Americas. We turned off all peer connections some time ago and are awaiting an explanation.

Something of this magnitude would have affected around 200 networks just within NOTA, I don't know that NOTA is the origin of the problem, but it's probable that this would be damaging to hosts and networks all over the place, at least in the S.E. US and everything south of the United States.

Brad

It was my hosted gallery servers that created a storm of porn... SORRY EVERYONE! :upsidedow

bash 02-26-2009 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MHCorey (Post 15555662)
Just want to be clear here, you seem to have jumped to conclusions.

Mojohost does NOT use an outside DNS service.

We'll post an update as well as email our clients when we have a definitive answer for what happened.

Corey
Mojohost

I never said you DID use a 3rd party dns service i just said "Maybe" since mojohost and natnet were down at the same time and somone else above in this thread suggested it. As a matter of fact after a bit of searching I see where brad said you have some internap router appliance that is supossed to route traffic through the fastest routes, well that obviously failed this time. Anyway I hear mojo is a decent host so i'm sure this was not a common occurance. good luck mate.:)

bash 02-26-2009 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 15555717)
that's simply not true. take your own suggestion and do that search yourself

and you completely disregarded my own stated experience of 5+ years being a natnet customer, which supercedes your perception.


Dude i'm not intending to keep bumping this thread and bash on natnet as they are supossed to be a decent host, but you obviously lack the skills to do a good search on a message board. Anyway glad you are happy with your host, that's the way it should be.:)

Yngwie 02-26-2009 04:39 PM

works fine for me.. lightspeed, twistys, shemp and natnet's site all load fine for me and fast

LBBV 02-26-2009 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 15555605)
how did you come to this conclusion? is there a monitoring service that provides such info/

i've been with natnet for almost 6 years now and can only recall one time in that time the service was down due to issues.

In the spirit of full disclosure, we went for almost 5 years without an issue, however last year we had a couple of issues, one was due to a massive DDOS/dns reflection attack that affected not only us but some other hosts including one larger well known host. The second issue was a firewall issue that took down part of our network for almost 8 hours due to the fact that we had to touch EVERY server to remove the firewall rules.

We work very hard at giving our customers the best possible hosting and support that there is. We have a culture here of taking care of the customer at any and all cost, and any customer of ours will tell you that we treat customers as partners...but at the end of the day, we still have humans working here that can make mistakes. We have hardware that can fail (yes - even redundancy can fail. You can read at least once a month about a data center that lost power because the redundant generators didn't come up or some software designed to run the redundant hardware failed).

Every host at one time or another is going to have downtime. In fact, the ONLY way to guarantee full 100% uptime is by having duplicated hardware at either two geographically different data centers or duplicated hardware in a tier 4 data center, (of course, very few customers are willing to pay for either one of those solutions) and even then there are no guarantees that there won't be a DDOS attack or a network issue to take you down. Those hosts that did not have any downtime this year either may have had some last year or will have some next year. You rarely see hosts bashing other hosts about downtime because they know darned well it could have been them. It's just a matter of time. The difference is that the GOOD hosts don't hide from it, provide full disclosure and do whatever it takes to make sure that whatever caused it cannot happen again.

Of course, we seem to have our fair share of haters and I find it interesting that it always seems to be the same people and that these same people do not seem to be in threads about other "certain" hosts going down. I wonder why that is?

-- Bill

Brad Mitchell 02-26-2009 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LBBV (Post 15555799)
In the spirit of full disclosure, we went for almost 5 years without an issue, however last year we had a couple of issues, one was due to a massive DDOS/dns reflection attack that affected not only us but some other hosts including one larger well known host. The second issue was a firewall issue that took down part of our network for almost 8 hours due to the fact that we had to touch EVERY server to remove the firewall rules.

We work very hard at giving our customers the best possible hosting and support that there is. We have a culture here of taking care of the customer at any and all cost, and any customer of ours will tell you that we treat customers as partners...but at the end of the day, we still have humans working here that can make mistakes. We have hardware that can fail (yes - even redundancy can fail. You can read at least once a month about a data center that lost power because the redundant generators didn't come up or some software designed to run the redundant hardware failed).

Every host at one time or another is going to have downtime. In fact, the ONLY way to guarantee full 100% uptime is by having duplicated hardware at either two geographically different data centers or duplicated hardware in a tier 4 data center, (of course, very few customers are willing to pay for either one of those solutions) and even then there are no guarantees that there won't be a DDOS attack or a network issue to take you down. Those hosts that did not have any downtime this year either may have had some last year or will have some next year. You rarely see hosts bashing other hosts about downtime because they know darned well it could have been them. It's just a matter of time. The difference is that the GOOD hosts don't hide from it, provide full disclosure and do whatever it takes to make sure that whatever caused it cannot happen again.

Of course, we seem to have our fair share of haters and I find it interesting that it always seems to be the same people and that these same people do not seem to be in threads about other "certain" hosts going down. I wonder why that is?

-- Bill

:thumbsup Good post Bill


This event brought down a bunch of Tier 1 carriers..... it wasn't small.

Brad

LBBV 02-26-2009 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell (Post 15555857)
:thumbsup Good post Bill


This event brought down a bunch of Tier 1 carriers..... it wasn't small.

Brad

One of things that you may have heard me say before is "knowing what I know about the internet, I'm amazed it even works!!!!"

dyna mo 02-26-2009 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bash (Post 15555768)
Dude i'm not intending to keep bumping this thread and bash on natnet as they are supossed to be a decent host, but you obviously lack the skills to do a good search on a message board. Anyway glad you are happy with your host, that's the way it should be.:)

incorrect- again. i did several searches- "natnet" "national net" "natnet down" and "national net down"

the result are absolutely in line with what Bill states here-


Quote:

Originally Posted by LBBV (Post 15555799)
In the spirit of full disclosure, we went for almost 5 years without an issue, however last year we had a couple of issues, one was due to a massive DDOS/dns reflection attack that affected not only us but some other hosts including one larger well known host. The second issue was a firewall issue that took down part of our network for almost 8 hours due to the fact that we had to touch EVERY server to remove the firewall rules.

We work very hard at giving our customers the best possible hosting and support that there is. We have a culture here of taking care of the customer at any and all cost, and any customer of ours will tell you that we treat customers as partners...but at the end of the day, we still have humans working here that can make mistakes. We have hardware that can fail (yes - even redundancy can fail. You can read at least once a month about a data center that lost power because the redundant generators didn't come up or some software designed to run the redundant hardware failed).

Every host at one time or another is going to have downtime. In fact, the ONLY way to guarantee full 100% uptime is by having duplicated hardware at either two geographically different data centers or duplicated hardware in a tier 4 data center, (of course, very few customers are willing to pay for either one of those solutions) and even then there are no guarantees that there won't be a DDOS attack or a network issue to take you down. Those hosts that did not have any downtime this year either may have had some last year or will have some next year. You rarely see hosts bashing other hosts about downtime because they know darned well it could have been them. It's just a matter of time. The difference is that the GOOD hosts don't hide from it, provide full disclosure and do whatever it takes to make sure that whatever caused it cannot happen again.

Of course, we seem to have our fair share of haters and I find it interesting that it always seems to be the same people and that these same people do not seem to be in threads about other "certain" hosts going down. I wonder why that is?

-- Bill


thanks for posting the facts, Bill. my experience with your company echoes what you stated here.

Techie Media 02-26-2009 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LBBV (Post 15555909)
One of things that you may have heard me say before is "knowing what I know about the internet, I'm amazed it even works!!!!"

LMAO...Bill I have been known to say the same thing many times.:winkwink: It is truly amazing:pimp



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PersianKitty 02-26-2009 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiMpLe (Post 15555732)
It was my hosted gallery servers that created a storm of porn... SORRY EVERYONE! :upsidedow

Do I have to stop linking to all 50trillion of them at the same time?

bash 02-26-2009 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 15555928)
incorrect- again. i did several searches- "natnet" "national net" "natnet down" and "national net down"

Dude you don't need to keep bumping this thread just because you lack the skills to search a message board, but here you go,
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=849558

Now let it rest man,:upsidedow

dyna mo 02-26-2009 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bash (Post 15555698)
All you need to do is search gfy and you will see over several hours of natnet downtime in just the past few months. do a search mate. Not only nat net but gfy is a good place to start research on any host for downtime or bad support or anyother info you might want to find.:2 cents::2 cents:

Quote:

Originally Posted by bash (Post 15556035)
Dude you don't need to keep bumping this thread just because you lack the skills to search a message board, but here you go,
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=849558

Now let it rest man,:upsidedow

you've already been owned more than once with your ramblings in this thread. now you come back with one single thread from almost a year ago to prove your earlier comment of *several hours of downtime in just the past few months*

this only adds self-ownage.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

again, take your own advice and let it rest.

marketsmart 02-26-2009 05:36 PM

ok.. i'm finished packet storming now... you may all carry on... all is well...

Lightning 02-26-2009 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 15556056)
you've already been owned more than once with your ramblings in this thread. now you come back with one single thread from almost a year ago to prove your earlier comment of *several hours of downtime in just the past few months*

this only adds self-ownage.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

again, take your own advice and let it rest.


dyna moe I happen to be a fan of natnet and respect them and think they are one of the good hosts,:thumbsup however you are wrong, they have had there share of downtimes in the past 6 months not just the 1 thread mentioned above but a few others, I think it was you who got owned.:2 cents:

DWB 02-26-2009 06:04 PM

Bill,
Did you guys just get another DDOS attack?

dyna mo 02-26-2009 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by askmomma (Post 15556172)
dyna moe I happen to be a fan of natnet and respect them and think they are one of the good hosts,:thumbsup however you are wrong, they have had there share of downtimes in the past 6 months not just the 1 thread mentioned above but a few others, I think it was you who got owned.:2 cents:


so you are discounting my experience with them over many years? you're discounting Bill's comment too? did you do a search yourself? because you won't find more than 2 threads about this over the last several months.


either way i couldn't care less. i KNOW from experience what the service is like.





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ExtremeBank_Adam 02-26-2009 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bash (Post 15556035)
Dude you don't need to keep bumping this thread just because you lack the skills to search a message board, but here you go,
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=849558

Actually, this is exactly what Bill mentioned here:
Quote:

Originally Posted by LBBV (Post 15555799)
In the spirit of full disclosure, we went for almost 5 years without an issue, however last year we had a couple of issues, one was due to a massive DDOS/dns reflection attack that affected not only us but some other hosts including one larger well known host. The second issue was a firewall issue that took down part of our network for almost 8 hours due to the fact that we had to touch EVERY server to remove the firewall rules.


ExLust 02-27-2009 01:49 AM

I checked but it works fine.

split_joel 02-27-2009 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LBBV (Post 15555799)
In the spirit of full disclosure, we went for almost 5 years without an issue, however last year we had a couple of issues, one was due to a massive DDOS/dns reflection attack that affected not only us but some other hosts including one larger well known host. The second issue was a firewall issue that took down part of our network for almost 8 hours due to the fact that we had to touch EVERY server to remove the firewall rules.

We work very hard at giving our customers the best possible hosting and support that there is. We have a culture here of taking care of the customer at any and all cost, and any customer of ours will tell you that we treat customers as partners...but at the end of the day, we still have humans working here that can make mistakes. We have hardware that can fail (yes - even redundancy can fail. You can read at least once a month about a data center that lost power because the redundant generators didn't come up or some software designed to run the redundant hardware failed).

Every host at one time or another is going to have downtime. In fact, the ONLY way to guarantee full 100% uptime is by having duplicated hardware at either two geographically different data centers or duplicated hardware in a tier 4 data center, (of course, very few customers are willing to pay for either one of those solutions) and even then there are no guarantees that there won't be a DDOS attack or a network issue to take you down. Those hosts that did not have any downtime this year either may have had some last year or will have some next year. You rarely see hosts bashing other hosts about downtime because they know darned well it could have been them. It's just a matter of time. The difference is that the GOOD hosts don't hide from it, provide full disclosure and do whatever it takes to make sure that whatever caused it cannot happen again.

Of course, we seem to have our fair share of haters and I find it interesting that it always seems to be the same people and that these same people do not seem to be in threads about other "certain" hosts going down. I wonder why that is?

-- Bill

Very well said man.

Hope you guys do not have any more problems.

best of luck.

Snake Doctor 02-27-2009 10:13 AM

Sorry guys, I accidentally hit "reply all" to the goodbye email that Ace from Naughty America sent out.
Apparently I broke the internet. :(

undersoul 02-27-2009 12:50 PM

so what actually happened? any update?

AntiDrama 02-27-2009 02:48 PM

what the hell happened? :error


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