NatNet Down Again For You ??? - GoFuckYourself.com

SpeakEasy · 02-26-2009, 03:10 PM

Lightspeed, natnet, twistys all down here ??

HorseShit · 02-26-2009, 03:11 PM

Lightspeed, natnet down here

twistys up

DarkJedi · 02-26-2009, 03:12 PM

queue TurboWhore in 3,2,1...

LBBV · 02-26-2009, 03:12 PM

We are not having any issues so I'm checking to see if there is some internet issue out there. We are definitely up and working...

marcjacob · 02-26-2009, 03:15 PM

They do seem to have alot of downtime. This is the one thing that puts me off about them. My host has been up constantly since November, and even that was less than 5 minutes.

marcjacob · 02-26-2009, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LBBV

We are not having any issues so I'm checking to see if there is some internet issue out there. We are definitely up and working...

Two of my friends sites are also down, both on Nat Net so it looks like you do have issues

heymatty · 02-26-2009, 03:19 PM

My sites at nat net seem down but mojohost also down for me.

Brujah · 02-26-2009, 03:19 PM

My Nat Net server is up. NatNet itself is down.

Nameserver trace for www.natnet.com:

* Looking for who is responsible for root zone and followed h.root-servers.net.
* Looking for who is responsible for com and followed b.gtld-servers.net.
* Looking for who is responsible for natnet.com and followed ns1.nationalnet.com.

Nameservers for www.natnet.com:

* ns1.nationalnet.com returned (SERVFAIL)
* ns2.nationalnet.com returned (NORECORDS)

the Shemp · 02-26-2009, 03:20 PM

http://www.shemp.com
am i down?

Brujah · 02-26-2009, 03:20 PM

Seems to be related to their DNS then.

Nameserver trace for www.lightspeedcash.com:

* Looking for who is responsible for root zone and followed j.root-servers.net.
* Looking for who is responsible for com and followed m.gtld-servers.net.
* Looking for who is responsible for lightspeedcash.com and followed ns2.national-net.com.

Nameservers for www.lightspeedcash.com:

* ns1.national-net.com returned (NORECORDS)
* ns2.national-net.com returned (NORECORDS)

Brujah · 02-26-2009, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

http://www.shemp.com
am i down?

Nameserver trace for www.shemp.com:

* Looking for who is responsible for root zone and followed a.root-servers.net.
* Looking for who is responsible for com and followed i.gtld-servers.net.
* Looking for who is responsible for shemp.com and followed ns1.strictlyhosting.com.

Nameservers for www.shemp.com:

* ns.strictlyhosting.com returned (SERVFAIL)
* ns1.strictlyhosting.com returned (NORECORDS)

Brujah · 02-26-2009, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heymatty

My sites at nat net seem down but mojohost also down for me.

Nameservers for www.mojohost.com:

* ns1.mojohost.com returned (SERVFAIL)
* ns2.mojohost.com returned (SERVFAIL)

the Shemp · 02-26-2009, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah

Nameserver trace for www.shemp.com:

* Looking for who is responsible for root zone and followed a.root-servers.net.
* Looking for who is responsible for com and followed i.gtld-servers.net.
* Looking for who is responsible for shemp.com and followed ns1.strictlyhosting.com.

Nameservers for www.shemp.com:

* ns.strictlyhosting.com returned (SERVFAIL)
* ns1.strictlyhosting.com returned (NORECORDS)

oh crap

SpeakEasy · 02-26-2009, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LBBV

We are not having any issues so I'm checking to see if there is some internet issue out there. We are definitely up and working...

LMAO....YES you are..

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

http://www.shemp.com
am i down?

Yes you are totally down again.

undersoul · 02-26-2009, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

http://www.shemp.com
am i down?

down for me. as well as natnet

ThumbLord · 02-26-2009, 03:25 PM

well yes Rob, you are down well at least shemp.com is

Net Money · 02-26-2009, 03:25 PM

Yes confirmed ALL natnet sites are down again....

LBBV · 02-26-2009, 03:29 PM

First, I owe you all an apology. I stated that we were not having issues because in my initial investigation, it showed all working fine. Since then I have found that we are having some DNS issues that are absolutely affecting some sites. We are working on it as quickly as possible and those sites that are down will be back up shortly.

Again my apologies for speaking too soon...

I'll keep you all posted.

-- Bill

dubsix · 02-26-2009, 03:30 PM

down from here and I'm 11 stories up in the same building as NatNet

also looks like mojohost's dns is down as well

amaze · 02-26-2009, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LBBV

We are not having any issues so I'm checking to see if there is some internet issue out there. We are definitely up and working...

sorry but it was down, but it is up now

cybermike · 02-26-2009, 03:32 PM

damn whos fucking with our internet!

Brujah · 02-26-2009, 03:32 PM

Mojohost is back up for me already.

edit: Natnet is also back.

PersianKitty · 02-26-2009, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WireSix-Ryan

down from here and I'm 11 stories up in the same building as NatNet

also looks like mojohost's dns is down as well

Yeah.. I'm seeing problems at mojohost now too.

dubsix · 02-26-2009, 03:34 PM

Given the nature of both natnet and mojohost having DNS issues I would venture a guess that there is a DNS amplification attack going on, been lots of talk going on lately about these types of attacks.

bash · 02-26-2009, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LBBV

We are not having any issues so I'm checking to see if there is some internet issue out there. We are definitely up and working...

Dude the fact that you don't even know that you are down is a bad bad thing, and not a thing to take lightly. natnet is down and thats all ther is to it, no other way to spin it but down is down.

PersianKitty · 02-26-2009, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PersianKitty

Yeah.. I'm seeing problems at mojohost now too.

And that fast it's back

dubsix · 02-26-2009, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PersianKitty

And that fast it's back

It had to have been down for some time for someone to notice something as down as it takes a considerable amount of time for DNS TTL's to expire. Their network was up but their DNS servers were unreachable. We have some mutual customers with mojo and were trying to troubleshoot some issues only to find nothing wrong on this end and broken dns over there

Odd it would happen to mojo and natnet at the same time. I call shenanigans.

Boozer · 02-26-2009, 03:42 PM

my site was down for roughly 5 minutes. during that time dns was not resolving here either

Brad Mitchell · 02-26-2009, 03:44 PM

I don't have details to share at this juncture but will when I have more information on the incident.

Brad

bash · 02-26-2009, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WireSix-Ryan

down from here and I'm 11 stories up in the same building as NatNet

also looks like mojohost's dns is down as well

Maybe bot of them use one of those stupid dns services? and that where the problem was? who knows. I've never understood why any host would use those services as all it does is add another week link in the chain and another point of failure. Oh well to each his own i guess.

undersoul · 02-26-2009, 03:48 PM

heard from a friend there was some huge broadcast storm on NOTA which prob effected mojo? natnet still seems to have some issues

LBBV · 02-26-2009, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bash

Dude the fact that you don't even know that you are down is a bad bad thing, and not a thing to take lightly. natnet is down and thats all ther is to it, no other way to spin it but down is down.

Apparently you didn't see my apology about this.

I did some initial checks myself and all seemed to be working so I made the incorrect post that all was fine. Unfortunately, I made the fatal mistake of not checking with my staff first. They already knew there was an issue and were already working on it.

I am human - I did make a mistake in posting too quickly. For that, I apologize. Now, with that said, I am off to work with my staff to find out what happened and what can be done to prevent it from occurring again.

-- Bill

LBBV · 02-26-2009, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bash

Maybe bot of them use one of those stupid dns services? and that where the problem was? who knows. I've never understood why any host would use those services as all it does is add another week link in the chain and another point of failure. Oh well to each his own i guess.

We do not use a DNS service. It's a combination of load balanced hardware and a customized software solution. We would never trust our DNS or any other part of our business to a third party company.

Boozer · 02-26-2009, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LBBV

Apparently you didn't see my apology about this.

I did some initial checks myself and all seemed to be working so I made the incorrect post that all was fine. Unfortunately, I made the fatal mistake of not checking with my staff first. They already knew there was an issue and were already working on it.

I am human - I did make a mistake in posting too quickly. For that, I apologize. Now, with that said, I am off to work with my staff to find out what happened and what can be done to prevent it from occurring again.

-- Bill

bash · 02-26-2009, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LBBV

We do not use a DNS service. It's a combination of load balanced hardware and a customized software solution. We would never trust our DNS or any other part of our business to a third party company.

I never said you DID use a 3rd party dns service i just said "Maybe" since mojohost was down at the same time and somone else above suggested it. Anyway good luck to you finding out why your custom hardware and software failed, and figuring out a fix, as i forsee a long night ahead. Good luck.

dyna mo · 02-26-2009, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcjacob

They do seem to have alot of downtime. .

how did you come to this conclusion? is there a monitoring service that provides such info/

i've been with natnet for almost 6 years now and can only recall one time in that time the service was down due to issues.

Brad Mitchell · 02-26-2009, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by undersoul

heard from a friend there was some huge broadcast storm on NOTA which prob effected mojo? natnet still seems to have some issues

There is/was in fact a broadcast storm on the multi-terrabit peering fabric at the NAP of the Americas. We turned off all peer connections some time ago and are awaiting an explanation.

Something of this magnitude would have affected around 200 networks just within NOTA, I don't know that NOTA is the origin of the problem, but it's probable that this would be damaging to hosts and networks all over the place, at least in the S.E. US and everything south of the United States.

Brad

MHCorey · 02-26-2009, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bash

Maybe bot of them use one of those stupid dns services? and that where the problem was? who knows. I've never understood why any host would use those services as all it does is add another week link in the chain and another point of failure. Oh well to each his own i guess.

Just want to be clear here, you seem to have jumped to conclusions.

Mojohost does NOT use an outside DNS service.

We'll post an update as well as email our clients when we have a definitive answer for what happened.

Corey
Mojohost

VicD · 02-26-2009, 04:28 PM

Natnet is never down and if they are, they are back up in no time...

bash · 02-26-2009, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

how did you come to this conclusion? is there a monitoring service that provides such info/

i've been with natnet for almost 6 years now and can only recall one time in that time the service was down due to issues.

All you need to do is search gfy and you will see over several hours of natnet downtime in just the past few months. do a search mate. Not only nat net but gfy is a good place to start research on any host for downtime or bad support or anyother info you might want to find.

dyna mo · 02-26-2009, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bash

All you need to do is search gfy and you will see over several hours of natnet downtime in just the past few months. do a search mate. Not only nat net but gfy is a good place to start research on any host for downtime or bad support or anyother info you might want to find.

that's simply not true. take your own suggestion and do that search yourself

and you completely disregarded my own stated experience of 5+ years being a natnet customer, which supercedes your perception.

SiMpLe · 02-26-2009, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

There is/was in fact a broadcast storm on the multi-terrabit peering fabric at the NAP of the Americas. We turned off all peer connections some time ago and are awaiting an explanation.

Something of this magnitude would have affected around 200 networks just within NOTA, I don't know that NOTA is the origin of the problem, but it's probable that this would be damaging to hosts and networks all over the place, at least in the S.E. US and everything south of the United States.

Brad

It was my hosted gallery servers that created a storm of porn... SORRY EVERYONE!

bash · 02-26-2009, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MHCorey

Just want to be clear here, you seem to have jumped to conclusions.

Mojohost does NOT use an outside DNS service.

We'll post an update as well as email our clients when we have a definitive answer for what happened.

Corey
Mojohost

I never said you DID use a 3rd party dns service i just said "Maybe" since mojohost and natnet were down at the same time and somone else above in this thread suggested it. As a matter of fact after a bit of searching I see where brad said you have some internap router appliance that is supossed to route traffic through the fastest routes, well that obviously failed this time. Anyway I hear mojo is a decent host so i'm sure this was not a common occurance. good luck mate.

bash · 02-26-2009, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that's simply not true. take your own suggestion and do that search yourself

and you completely disregarded my own stated experience of 5+ years being a natnet customer, which supercedes your perception.

Dude i'm not intending to keep bumping this thread and bash on natnet as they are supossed to be a decent host, but you obviously lack the skills to do a good search on a message board. Anyway glad you are happy with your host, that's the way it should be.

Yngwie · 02-26-2009, 04:39 PM

works fine for me.. lightspeed, twistys, shemp and natnet's site all load fine for me and fast

LBBV · 02-26-2009, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

how did you come to this conclusion? is there a monitoring service that provides such info/

i've been with natnet for almost 6 years now and can only recall one time in that time the service was down due to issues.

In the spirit of full disclosure, we went for almost 5 years without an issue, however last year we had a couple of issues, one was due to a massive DDOS/dns reflection attack that affected not only us but some other hosts including one larger well known host. The second issue was a firewall issue that took down part of our network for almost 8 hours due to the fact that we had to touch EVERY server to remove the firewall rules.

We work very hard at giving our customers the best possible hosting and support that there is. We have a culture here of taking care of the customer at any and all cost, and any customer of ours will tell you that we treat customers as partners...but at the end of the day, we still have humans working here that can make mistakes. We have hardware that can fail (yes - even redundancy can fail. You can read at least once a month about a data center that lost power because the redundant generators didn't come up or some software designed to run the redundant hardware failed).

Every host at one time or another is going to have downtime. In fact, the ONLY way to guarantee full 100% uptime is by having duplicated hardware at either two geographically different data centers or duplicated hardware in a tier 4 data center, (of course, very few customers are willing to pay for either one of those solutions) and even then there are no guarantees that there won't be a DDOS attack or a network issue to take you down. Those hosts that did not have any downtime this year either may have had some last year or will have some next year. You rarely see hosts bashing other hosts about downtime because they know darned well it could have been them. It's just a matter of time. The difference is that the GOOD hosts don't hide from it, provide full disclosure and do whatever it takes to make sure that whatever caused it cannot happen again.

Of course, we seem to have our fair share of haters and I find it interesting that it always seems to be the same people and that these same people do not seem to be in threads about other "certain" hosts going down. I wonder why that is?

-- Bill

Brad Mitchell · 02-26-2009, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LBBV

In the spirit of full disclosure, we went for almost 5 years without an issue, however last year we had a couple of issues, one was due to a massive DDOS/dns reflection attack that affected not only us but some other hosts including one larger well known host. The second issue was a firewall issue that took down part of our network for almost 8 hours due to the fact that we had to touch EVERY server to remove the firewall rules.

We work very hard at giving our customers the best possible hosting and support that there is. We have a culture here of taking care of the customer at any and all cost, and any customer of ours will tell you that we treat customers as partners...but at the end of the day, we still have humans working here that can make mistakes. We have hardware that can fail (yes - even redundancy can fail. You can read at least once a month about a data center that lost power because the redundant generators didn't come up or some software designed to run the redundant hardware failed).

Every host at one time or another is going to have downtime. In fact, the ONLY way to guarantee full 100% uptime is by having duplicated hardware at either two geographically different data centers or duplicated hardware in a tier 4 data center, (of course, very few customers are willing to pay for either one of those solutions) and even then there are no guarantees that there won't be a DDOS attack or a network issue to take you down. Those hosts that did not have any downtime this year either may have had some last year or will have some next year. You rarely see hosts bashing other hosts about downtime because they know darned well it could have been them. It's just a matter of time. The difference is that the GOOD hosts don't hide from it, provide full disclosure and do whatever it takes to make sure that whatever caused it cannot happen again.

Of course, we seem to have our fair share of haters and I find it interesting that it always seems to be the same people and that these same people do not seem to be in threads about other "certain" hosts going down. I wonder why that is?

-- Bill

Good post Bill

This event brought down a bunch of Tier 1 carriers..... it wasn't small.

Brad

LBBV · 02-26-2009, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Good post Bill

This event brought down a bunch of Tier 1 carriers..... it wasn't small.

Brad

One of things that you may have heard me say before is "knowing what I know about the internet, I'm amazed it even works!!!!"

dyna mo · 02-26-2009, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bash

Dude i'm not intending to keep bumping this thread and bash on natnet as they are supossed to be a decent host, but you obviously lack the skills to do a good search on a message board. Anyway glad you are happy with your host, that's the way it should be.

incorrect- again. i did several searches- "natnet" "national net" "natnet down" and "national net down"

the result are absolutely in line with what Bill states here-

Quote:

Originally Posted by LBBV

In the spirit of full disclosure, we went for almost 5 years without an issue, however last year we had a couple of issues, one was due to a massive DDOS/dns reflection attack that affected not only us but some other hosts including one larger well known host. The second issue was a firewall issue that took down part of our network for almost 8 hours due to the fact that we had to touch EVERY server to remove the firewall rules.

We work very hard at giving our customers the best possible hosting and support that there is. We have a culture here of taking care of the customer at any and all cost, and any customer of ours will tell you that we treat customers as partners...but at the end of the day, we still have humans working here that can make mistakes. We have hardware that can fail (yes - even redundancy can fail. You can read at least once a month about a data center that lost power because the redundant generators didn't come up or some software designed to run the redundant hardware failed).

Every host at one time or another is going to have downtime. In fact, the ONLY way to guarantee full 100% uptime is by having duplicated hardware at either two geographically different data centers or duplicated hardware in a tier 4 data center, (of course, very few customers are willing to pay for either one of those solutions) and even then there are no guarantees that there won't be a DDOS attack or a network issue to take you down. Those hosts that did not have any downtime this year either may have had some last year or will have some next year. You rarely see hosts bashing other hosts about downtime because they know darned well it could have been them. It's just a matter of time. The difference is that the GOOD hosts don't hide from it, provide full disclosure and do whatever it takes to make sure that whatever caused it cannot happen again.

Of course, we seem to have our fair share of haters and I find it interesting that it always seems to be the same people and that these same people do not seem to be in threads about other "certain" hosts going down. I wonder why that is?

-- Bill

thanks for posting the facts, Bill. my experience with your company echoes what you stated here.

Techie Media · 02-26-2009, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LBBV

One of things that you may have heard me say before is "knowing what I know about the internet, I'm amazed it even works!!!!"

LMAO...Bill I have been known to say the same thing many times.

It is truly amazing

.

02-26-2009, 03:10 PM	#1
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Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	My Nat Net server is up. NatNet itself is down. Nameserver trace for www.natnet.com: * Looking for who is responsible for root zone and followed h.root-servers.net. * Looking for who is responsible for com and followed b.gtld-servers.net. * Looking for who is responsible for natnet.com and followed ns1.nationalnet.com. Nameservers for www.natnet.com: * ns1.nationalnet.com returned (SERVFAIL) * ns2.nationalnet.com returned (NORECORDS) __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

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LBBV Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 936	First, I owe you all an apology. I stated that we were not having issues because in my initial investigation, it showed all working fine. Since then I have found that we are having some DNS issues that are absolutely affecting some sites. We are working on it as quickly as possible and those sites that are down will be back up shortly. Again my apologies for speaking too soon... I'll keep you all posted. -- Bill __________________ National Net Hosting. Handled. See our new line of inexpensive Dedicated Servers \| Cabinets starting at $795 \| CDN [email protected] \| 888-4-NATNET \| www.nationalnet.com

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dubsix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 363	down from here and I'm 11 stories up in the same building as NatNet also looks like mojohost's dns is down as well

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dubsix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 363	Given the nature of both natnet and mojohost having DNS issues I would venture a guess that there is a DNS amplification attack going on, been lots of talk going on lately about these types of attacks.

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