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CarlosTheGaucho 03-20-2009 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 15649652)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QjA5faZF1A8 - dude playing guitar, 57 million views.
A cat with two heads is not an evidence that cats have two heads.

:winkwink:

CarlosTheGaucho 03-20-2009 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 15651551)
Where do you get this from. I would think just the opposite that most of their users are 21 and under. Just from what I know about myself and my friends I sometimes look at youtube and some of my friends occasionally do, but their kids are on it non-stop.
Yeah, I researched it too from a verifiable source, a guy who has access to all those official paid databases about companies and news sources etc. claimed it's expected to be about 40 pct. in the age reange between 12 and 15 or something if I remember well.

But you know how it is, GFY is a world of its own.

:winkwink:

CarlosTheGaucho 03-20-2009 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Ron2k1 (Post 15650551)
YouTube is a perfect marketing tool for Google, it's an extremely well known brand

So Google doesn't really give a fuck about bandwidth cost.
If you run a business you always care about the costs, especially if you are jewish.

:winkwink:

CarlosTheGaucho 03-20-2009 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Reak AGV (Post 15649664)
I'm pretty sure YouTube turns profit :2 cents:
There are also people out there, who are extremely sure that that hairy pacifist hippie who became very popular after his death was born to a virgin.

:winkwink:

Twistys Tim 03-20-2009 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by xentech (Post 15650792)
What leads you to believe this?
This does - http://www.imediaconnection.com/content/12474.asp

CarlosTheGaucho 03-20-2009 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Twistys Tim (Post 15653001)
Interesting, but:

1)

By David Hallerman
November 17, 2006

2) US only

http://www.imediaconnection.com/imag...r_061117_1.jpg

3) Nielsen//NetRatings

Is this not the questionnaire? Have you ever seen a kid or anyone young and pacey filling out an online survey?

Well, let's leave it to the experts!

:winkwink:

Paul Markham 03-20-2009 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 15651527)
Yep the Viacom suit will define the future of Youtube and sites like it. If Viacom wins and is given a huge judgment Youtube will either have to adjust how it does business or close down. From what I understand Youtube and sites like it say they are just hosts and have no control over the content on it. Yet you never see porn on youtube so there must be some kind of filtering system in place that keeps it off the site. If Viacom can prove that youtube is controlling the content in any way then their DMCA safe harbor will be pretty much null and void and once Viacom wins every company or person who has stuff on youtube that they don't want there will be filing a suit. Youtube's legal bills could quickly outpace its bandwidth bills.
If Viacom lose will that be the end of it, or will it just start another suit on a different tact? They lose once they're screwed. The cigarette industry was sued many times before it started to lose.

Or am I wrong?

As for legal costs outpacing BW bills. They may already be there, ask people who have been through the US legal system.

Paul Markham 03-20-2009 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Twistys Tim (Post 15650752)
Most of YouTube's users are in the 35 - 65 age range. Only about 13% are kids.
No one really knows and it's acedemic. As Carlos points out online surveys reflect the people who fill in online surveys. Kids may not bother.

Look at the most viewed scenes for an indication.

polish_aristocrat 03-20-2009 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesK (Post 15645854)
Yep, I agree.

A lot of website types have had this problem in the past. Hell, in the beginning companies didn't even know how to make money off the internet. They will find a way eventually to make huge profit off it.
If I remember correctly, AlienQ said he knows how to make YouTube profitable.
They should just hire him.

CarlosTheGaucho 03-20-2009 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 15653155)

As for legal costs outpacing BW bills. They may already be there, ask people who have been through the US legal system.
:2 cents:

The legal costs have to be out of this world in that case..

Manowar 03-20-2009 08:28 AM
youtube is the new google

uh oh

kane 03-20-2009 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 15653155)
If Viacom lose will that be the end of it, or will it just start another suit on a different tact? They lose once they're screwed. The cigarette industry was sued many times before it started to lose.

Or am I wrong?

As for legal costs outpacing BW bills. They may already be there, ask people who have been through the US legal system.
That is a very good question. I would assume if Viacom loses it will start another suit using some different angle.

Youtube really is the one at risk. Viacaom can suit and suit and suit. They can keep losing and it just costs them legal fees. If Youtube loses just one of these cases it will open up the flood gates.

CarlosTheGaucho 03-20-2009 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 15654620)
Youtube really is the one at risk. Viacaom can suit and suit and suit. They can keep losing and it just costs them legal fees. If Youtube loses just one of these cases it will open up the flood gates.
:2 cents:

I suppose this could be a very interesting precedent, that could as well change the whole "web 2.0." chaos into something with a little bit more structure, more sense and more sales pitch.

kane 03-20-2009 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho (Post 15655228)
:2 cents:

I suppose this could be a very interesting precedent, that could as well change the whole "web 2.0." chaos into something with a little bit more structure, more sense and more sales pitch.
Sure thing. If Viacom wins and proves that Youtube can and does filter the videos before posting them then it should make is to that the DMCA no longer matters for them. I will open them up to tons of other lawsuits. Which would then, potentially, lead to other like site having the same type of situation. You could start finding more web 2.0 sites having more accountability for their content which should shrink the amount of content on the sites and cause more people to pay for content.

CarlosTheGaucho 03-20-2009 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 15655356)
Sure thing. If Viacom wins and proves that Youtube can and does filter the videos before posting them then it should make is to that the DMCA no longer matters for them. I will open them up to tons of other lawsuits. Which would then, potentially, lead to other like site having the same type of situation. You could start finding more web 2.0 sites having more accountability for their content which should shrink the amount of content on the sites and cause more people to pay for content.
:2 cents:

I suppose it could actually also somehow change the relation / make definitions clearer with the publishing / hosting / hot linking the content on the web etc.

Useless Warrior 03-20-2009 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mobilefun1987 (Post 15641920)
YouTube deserves to lose money because it has made society lose wisdom.
Society has always been unwise. YouTube simply allows society to stream its lack of wisdom.

Love live Boxxy! :error

CarlosTheGaucho 03-20-2009 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 15655440)
Society has always been unwise. YouTube simply allows society to stream its lack of wisdom.

Love live Boxxy! :error
:thumbsup

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/892286-web-2-0-phenomenon-idiots-getting-exposed.html

NTSS 03-20-2009 10:08 PM
The real questions is....
Do you make a profit off YouTube?

Everything else doesn't matter.

kane 03-21-2009 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by NTSS (Post 15656012)
The real questions is....
Do you make a profit off YouTube?

Everything else doesn't matter.
Therein is the multi-million dollar question. I think that site is so packed with such varied types of content it is going to be very difficult to monetize it. The people that are sitting and watching skaters crash are probably not the same people who are watching Taylor Swift videos so figuring out what to sell those people has to be a major challenge. Just understanding an audience of that size would be near impossible.

potter 03-21-2009 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 15656188)
Therein is the multi-million dollar question. I think that site is so packed with such varied types of content it is going to be very difficult to monetize it. The people that are sitting and watching skaters crash are probably not the same people who are watching Taylor Swift videos so figuring out what to sell those people has to be a major challenge. Just understanding an audience of that size would be near impossible.
1. Advertising like that isn't about making people go buy your product right then and there. Think Budweiser & Coke. Neither put out a commercial to see profits rise instantly. They both OWN the market. Their commercials don't do shit other than keep their image in their consumers mind.

2. Who knows how much bandwidth Google owns. You can't look at it like we look at bandwidth. Google doesn't buy a server and pay overages when they exceed their limit. Google is bigger than most bandwidth/service providers. You think they don't own enough bandwidth to allow youtube to grow ten times it's size and still have left over bandwidth usage?

Drake 03-21-2009 12:43 AM
Quite the conundrum

kane 03-21-2009 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by potter (Post 15656211)
1. Advertising like that isn't about making people go buy your product right then and there. Think Budweiser & Coke. Neither put out a commercial to see profits rise instantly. They both OWN the market. Their commercials don't do shit other than keep their image in their consumers mind.

2. Who knows how much bandwidth Google owns. You can't look at it like we look at bandwidth. Google doesn't buy a server and pay overages when they exceed their limit. Google is bigger than most bandwidth/service providers. You think they don't own enough bandwidth to allow youtube to grow ten times it's size and still have left over bandwidth usage?
Those are a couple of very good points. I guess then the questions are: What will come of the Viacom case? And if they win the case how long will they be willing wait to make a profit? They make enough money in their other things that they can carry this site for a long time if they want, but if profits in other areas start to wane they might start to see Youtube as an albatross around their neck.

Then again if they lose the Viacom case it is a whole new situation and making a profit will be the furthest thing from their mind, just keeping the site running will be difficult.

DarkJedi 03-21-2009 02:57 AM
youtube is in talks with Universal to make them the exclusive internet music video place.

CarlosTheGaucho 03-24-2009 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by potter (Post 15656211)
1. Advertising like that isn't about making people go buy your product right then and there. Think Budweiser & Coke. Neither put out a commercial to see profits rise instantly. They both OWN the market. Their commercials don't do shit other than keep their image in their consumers mind.

2. Who knows how much bandwidth Google owns. You can't look at it like we look at bandwidth. Google doesn't buy a server and pay overages when they exceed their limit. Google is bigger than most bandwidth/service providers. You think they don't own enough bandwidth to allow youtube to grow ten times it's size and still have left over bandwidth usage?
Good points

To the point #2

Let me mention they're definitely trying to cut down their bandwith costs, many times I get "this video is not available in your country" if I search for something specific, and also their servers work shitty in general, the connectivity is much slower than it used to be with the same connection.

CarlosTheGaucho 03-24-2009 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 15656324)
Those are a couple of very good points. I guess then the questions are: What will come of the Viacom case? And if they win the case how long will they be willing wait to make a profit? They make enough money in their other things that they can carry this site for a long time if they want, but if profits in other areas start to wane they might start to see Youtube as an albatross around their neck.

Then again if they lose the Viacom case it is a whole new situation and making a profit will be the furthest thing from their mind, just keeping the site running will be difficult.
The problem is neither side is forced to make this process any faster, Viacom can bust Google's balls to get the best conditions for something "official" and Google (Youtube) doesn't have any interest in stripping the site out of the rest of the content that's most searched (and so far also found) there.

I only wish this results in the DMCA being rewritten, although another hole in the law will most likely come up, at least it will not be so profane as DMCA is these days - DMCA is a joke.

In case you can actually claim something is illegal and prove someone makes a profit out of it, much easier to work out the scams and work on their hosts, SE's etc.


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