Don't hurt yourself and don't forget your hat.

http://meltyourfaceoff.files.wordpre...n-foil-hat.jpg

Yet, this amazing, fire proof passport raises no questions to those inspecting 9-11. Incredible. :2 cents:

funny thing is America spends $300 BILLION on defense each year, yet on 9/11 you were defenseless.

Go to Youtube search 'WTC FLASHES' watch the first several videos - do believe thats a controlled demolition.

NIST & Popular Mechanics are part of the conspiracy.

You might be onto something here.. Put some more research into it man. Make a documentary. You should call it Loose Brains 2 return of the retards. :thumbsup

Hey idiot. I saw body parts all the way down at battery park which is about a 1/4 mile from the site. How did they get there? The tires from one of the planes was on my block which was 3 blocks from the site. It must have been planted right?

The fires burned for 3 months and not weeks. I know I was there watching them bring the parts of the building out and hosing them off in front of my building.

You insult all of us that were there and lost loved ones in it.

Just shut your fucking pie hole because you don't have a fucking clue what went on.

Steel melts at around 2800 degrees F and the fires were around 5000 degrees f. Hmm I wonder how the building fell.

Maybe check out the engineering of the bldg too as it's outside frame was a big part of how it was being held up.

* Rock blunts or breaks scissors; rock wins.
* Paper covers or captures rock; paper wins.
* Scissors cut paper; scissors win.

Hey idiot. This is PAPER we are talking about, not a body part or heavy pieces of rubber or metal. PAPER!!! As it, it's not going to fly 3 blocks down the street, let alone 1/4 mile. Even by the grace of God it did, how is this the only piece of paper that did, and it was found in perfect condition? Walk outside with your passport, climb up on the tallest building in the area, and throw it as hard as you can. Let me know how far it goes.

I ask questions about something that doesn't make sense on one of the darkest days in US history and you call me an idiot. :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Personally, I don't give a shit how long the fires burned or how many bodies were on your doorstep. I don't care if the tires came down through your fucking roof. I lost 3 friends that day, all in the towers. So fuck off back at ya. The difference is, they were not pansies who would want people to drag this out year after year like you people do. They lived life, perhaps you people should get on with yours. Or perhaps it's just convenient to pretend you care once a year. You insult yourself. :2 cents: Maybe next time, and there will be a next time, they won't miss and will fly one of those planes right into your front door. :321GFY

Sadly, this is the truth.

Actually, on this point, I gotta say you are wrong. It could travel several miles..

There is an updraft between any high-rise buildings in close proximity to each other and on extremely tall building they don't even need to be near another building. This vertical wind speed can be 10mph or higher (I've been to the WTC on a rainy day and have seen the rain actually going upwards on the buildings).

A passport?s terminal velocity is going to be extremely low (greater than a feather, but lower than a wallet, especially if it is open).. And the horizontal wind speed being funneled between 2 high-rise buildings can be 30mph (and far greater than that) even on the calmest day.

If you figure even a 5mph vertical wind speed lifting a passport I would assume that would defeat the passport?s terminal velocity.

Supposing the horizontal wind speed near the middle to the top of the tower was only 20mph (extremely conservative), then that passport could have traveled 1/4-mile in LESS than 1 minute.

And any fire that occurred would not have been instantaneous, it would have taken a few moments.. After the aluminum plane was ripped apart there would have been ample time for some debris to escape.

You are the biggest pile of shit and full of it too.

You say you lost 3 people in it, my bet is that you are full of shit about that too. You just want to have a connection so you can talk about all this bullshit that has absolutely no merit.

I lived there and went thru it, making my way from below the WTC to above it to get my 6 month old child. The whole way seeing papers flying thru the air as well as people jumping from the building. I don't expect you to understand what that does to a persons outlook on life as you don't have one.

I am calling you out because I know you are full of shit. Oh boo hoo You knew someone and you live in Kansas. You think you are onto something because you watch video's on youtube. Fuck off. You are like all the people that call me on 9-11 to tell me they are thinking of me. Not one of them calls any other time of the year, but because they "know me" they want to feel connected to it somehow so they call.

I have moved on and actually celebrate 9-11 with close friends and just celebrate good times.

It's scum like you that I wish would just go somewhere and dig a big hole and then jump in. It's a big cover up, they actually got explosives into the two largest bldg's in the US and then another small one. OMFG ......really and why why would they do that. What was to gain from it? Have you actually thought about how many people would have to be in on it. I walked thru the trade center ever fucking day for 7 years and know what security is in place, do you?

Where would they hide all those explosives you fool as there was a hallway all the way around the windows inside. No closets or anything next to the windows and corners. Big boxes would have probably set of some alarms.

Talk about getting a fucking life you pansy ass conservative idiot. Go kill some baby seals or something else people like you like to do

In America patriotism and ignorance run together about as strong a stupidity and vigor.

Also the gulf of tonkin was the exception to the rule, not the rule.

Folks they say religion is evil as the next one is it.

say a little prayer for you

You are not being very logical. Of course paper can fly several blocks or further, and it could be that fact that is the reason it is in such good shape.

Fate.

So according to your view on "How Shit Works", the only people wearing suits are involved in the stock market?

Must suck if you do one of those other jobs (you know, the ones that don't exist?) where you wear a suit, because apparently you don't exist any more...

:disgust

Well, you sure do sound like you know what you're talking about, so I won't debate you.

However, I have to ask, IF this is so, why wasn't more documents found in perfect condition? It just seems odd to me. Nothing else is found, but this guys passport is in perfect condition?

You may be right. I may be wrong. Perhaps one piece of paper from that entire mess, flew all that distance and was perfectly delivered to the right spot, without a cut, tear, bend or burn mark on it, and it just happened to belong to one of the terrorists.

Stranger things have happened, I must admit. :2 cents:

Yawn. At least call me disease ridden or something like everyone else does. Calling ME a pile of shit is so 1998.

Yea, the odds of me having any friends at all, especially some who would have real jobs, are pretty low. Probably next to impossible. In fact, the chances of me knowing people who died there are as slim as that magical passport that survived the wreckage while everything else burned up. :2 cents:

Your medal is in the mail.

I'll be sure to look you up the next time I need an American hero.

No, I don't call anyone on 9-11, as I think it's a bullshit day. I'm sorry to disappoint, but I'm not as shallow as the people you surround yourself with, calling you, on 9-11, wishing you well. I don't give a shit. People die. I'm ok with that. I don't drag it out and harp on it.

I dug a huge hole to China, then took a boat down the Mekong River into Laos. I then went by bus, through Thailand and to the place I reside now. So, you're close. It's where all the scum live. We usually sit around, drinking until we can't stand up, making fun of heros and wishing we were in the shit with you.

I've never said that. However, there are many unanswered questions and things that don't add up.

I'm not saying the gov did do it, but if you don't think the gov doesn't create false problems in order to go to war, you are a fool. Look up past false flag operations the US Gov did in the past.

I'm sure since you studied the blue prints of the buildings, you would know better than I. But hey, I dunno, ask the guys who blew it up. They should know.

I kill dogs, not seals. Look it up. And yea, my life is glorious! :thumbsup

After thinking more about this, I have to say that it's not just paper. It's a heavy passport. Paper WILL float around, you are 100% correct. But a passport is fairly heavy, and I'm not so sure it would travel so far, as it has some weight to it. But who knows?

What is incredible is, most Americans don't even know what happened there. :Oh crap

Fact: Most U.S. citizens blindly trust their government.
Fact: Most U.S. citizens feel 'elite' to outright ridicule what they call 'conspiracy theorists'.
Fact: Most U.S. citizens don't know the definition of 'conspiracy'.

Actually the entire area was littered with tens of thousands of documents in perfect condition... it took forever to clean it up. That was a well known fact.

I already explained this.. between the horizontal and vertical drafts surrounding buildings that high, combined with the low terminal velocity of a passport it could easily travel over 1/4 mile in less than one minute.

What is the terminal velocity of a passport?

Took the word right out of my mouth !

But then again, there are people believing that a guy can walk on water :1orglaugh
What can we do ?

Indeed, every damn year we get a thread like this.

Ha.... Kids...

I agree with you that anything is possible, but most likely we will never find out the truth about most of these things...but i do have to say, as an american, you cant keep your head in the ground if you suspect your govt is not serving the people anymore- we are the only ones that have the responsibility (though we seem to have forsaken it) to make sure our govt stays in line. The truth is for us to get any kind of answers (whether JFK, Pearl harbour, area51, 9/11) would require a coordinated effort that we just dont seem to have in us anymore...but i do have to add that anyone that has seen that Eisenhower speech on the industrial military complex has to be a little scared by what we see around us...

Cant you lodge them in an intl bank like hsbc and get a SKR (safe keeping receipt) which will then let you get a line of credit from the thai branch to invest there until you metals here appreciate to your sell point then get out pay the line and you should come out way ahead...

Public Service Announcement:

People, the world you live in, the life that you lead, IT IS ALL AN ILLUSION. A fraud, you were born into it, your parents were born into it. It is not your fault. It's time to wake up, it's time to stop living in the false reality that has been constructed around you. It's time to start thinking for yourself.

Thank you.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled de-programming..

The argument for the passport is just as flimsy as the paper it's made of. Very easy for the uninformed to attack. Does anyone have an intelligent rebuttal/explanation for something a little more weighty?

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500 MPH is slow? Also the 2 planes that hit NY crash very shortly after take-off and know one knew they where hi-jacked before then. Flight 93 was being tracked. And yes it would have been shot down if it had gotten closer to DC.
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You forgot the best part of the "story". 35 minutes after the second plane hit and we KNEW we were under attack, a commercial jetliner was able to penetrate the most restricted airspace and hit the most heavily defended building in the world. It only takes 6 minutes for NORAD to scramble jets, Andrews Air Force Base had two squadrons of fighters on alert only 10 miles away. And yes 500 MPH is slow compared to the 1,500 MPH speed of of the F16s deployed.

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You realize it came down HOURS later because it was on FIRE.
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This is the Windsor skyscraper in Madrid, built without fire protections. It was an inferno for over 20 hours and the steel structure stayed intact.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?...d&hl=en&emb=0#

This is an Orange

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...inMmvAw&hl=en#

Also keep in mind that building 5, located between the two towers and building 7, sustained much greater fires burning throughout and stayed intact.

These are the only 3 steel skyscrapers have "fallen" because of fires in the history of the world. All within a few hours of each other.

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keyword being FEET not miles, 25,000 feet is less than 5 miles. You cell phone won't work within 5 miles of a tower?
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So by that logic your cell phone should work like a charm at the normal altitude of 35,000 feet, right? Why don't you try it next time you're in the air? Don't worry, the plane won't crash.
The ban on cellphones in flight is mainly from the FCC because of possible interference with the plane's instruments, but it is also supported by mobile companies because you phone would try to access hundreds of towers at the same time, it does not work and causes problems. Cell phones are meant to work on the ground.

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And you'll believe any kook that comes up with some "theory". How is that different?
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You shouldn't believe any story, official or otherwise. You should look into it yourself instead of listening to everyone else. Google is your friend. I'm glad I saw this thread today because it made me think about everything again and it lead me to this last piece of information.

Everyone, please explain why the BBC reported the collapse of building 7 over twenty minutes before it's actual implosion - with the building clearly in view behind the reporter...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s

scary :mad:

When you consider the MIND-BOGGLING logistics of wiring almost 300 stories of steel beam buildings to collapse, in the heart of one of the busiest, most secure areas in NYC --- all credibility for any controlled demolition theories just die instantly.

Where are all of these ninja engineering experts with the heartlessness to kill innocent Americans, and also keep quiet about it?

Anyone who believes the CD theory is an idiot, and has never bothered to actually look into what's involved.

Honestly, you may be right and I may be misinformed. From what I understood, what was found was not in good shape. But, I have not extensively looked into it either. I consider 9-11 payback for the USA doing evils abroad, and it is exactly that. There are just some oddities, at least I believe they are, that I would like detailed explanations of. You have given good info on the passport that I was unaware of. Thanks.

it does seem odd...but did you know that the following points are all facts:

1. goerge bushs brother took over control of world trade centers 6 months before it came down

2. first official act was to get rid of all the bomb sniffing dogs

3. closed down major sections of the buildings...and no one was allowed in..not even building maintenance.

weird coincidence eh

Marvin Bush's company ran the security for WTC. I worked in a much smaller highrise for a number of years. It was only 28 stories much smaller than even WTC 7. I spent 10-12 hours a day 5-6 days a week there. I wouldn't have known about anything going on around other than what happened on my floor and the bar area on my way out :) Walked in the door in the morning walked to the elevator went up and came back down the same way. We had security actually very high security. You couldn't even get on the elevator to my floors without having a personal pass code. Anything could have went on in that building without any real suspicion from me and hell since the head of the GOP for my state was one floor up it probably did lol Anyway back to Marvin and how it could have been done. They could have done the "wiring" for months and only brought in the explosives after they literally "called off the dogs" on September 6th. Yeah they removed the bomb sniffing dogs on September 6th.

:thumbsup

Yet, you will be called an "idiot" for even saying such an absurd thing. :helpme

Just because someone here couldn't pull it off, doesn't mean it can't be done. :2 cents:

Your bullshit about "the elites" makes the rest of your post come off as maniacal.


You made good points. The event deserves a real investigation. But forget the unsubstantiated stuff, or we all look like crazees.

:D

Well, they knew about it ahead of time.

"The Americans had deciphered Japan's code earlier and knew about a planned attack before it actually occurred."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_harbor

:D

I see your point but look at what happened in Russia after the Bolshevik revolution. Something like 40 million died from murder, forced famine, gulags, etc. Something like 8-10 million were murdered in the Ukraine alone. And yes, destroying farms and taking away their food WAS MURDER. These people did not have a 7-11 down the block where they could go buy a cheese hot dog in the middle of the winter when they had no food. The Ukraine was the breadbasket of that part of the world so for them to have a famine was just crazy.

Do you think this was all by accident? No, the leaders of the revolution not only planned to slaughter the Romanovs (including their children and dog) but also the best and brightest of the Russian people.

You think what happened in Russia cannot happen again?

In just the last 2 generations look at the death tool governments inflicted on their own populace in Russia, Germany, China, Cambodia .....

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I really pity idiots like you. Do you think that perhaps I was trying to say "ask 10 guys who are in the professional class"? Of course some bumb or Burger King employee would not know about shorting stocks but people who are college educated should know basic things like that. Hell almost nobody I talk to even understands what FOREX is all about. That includes most professional people.

Please go back to your video games.