Of course, except you can't have a search function, all the models have to appear on a single page, since there is no way to have pagination for multiple pages of models, there is no way to separate your models in categories (these are very basic functions every successful cam site should have), there is no way to have any links on the page with the video player, not even the navigation bar, the templates are so clumsy and cumbersome that you need a full time designer to customize them, etc.. Yeah, very flexible, and it's completely up to the webmaster :)


Thank you for admitting this, Mark, this was one of the main reasons I went with you. Then maybe you also should be warning your newbie customers not to expect any of this before you take their money.

Thanks once again for proving my original point that I had no support whatsoever when I launched my site with you. My 121 models had a good LOL at me after they tried working on your system, and never came back. Many of those same models are happy now to finally be given a fair chance to make money.


Hehe, OK, Mark. I'll tell you what, I will offer this license right here on GFY for free to the first person who claims it under one condition. That condition is they try this license and your system for at least 6 months, and come back here after that time to share their experience with everyone here. Any takers, hit me up right here in this thread? Will, maybe you want to try, I'd love to give this one to you to prove how incompetent of a businessman I really am. Yes, something I paid $6,000 for absolutely free. This is a 3 site license, so you will have 3 times the success!


My breaching your contract was taking the domain which I own and moving it to another provider, nothing more. There were no customers left with any balances, and there was no content on my site left after your last "upgrade" to even get any customer to come back. In addition, I was already on my own CCBill account when I left (and not on your sub account), so there was no breach of contract at all. Me leaving does not give you any right to keep over $10,000 of my money which you do not deny doing.


Let's have some more testimonials here, folks, as Mark still seems to think we are a bunch of idiots for not making millions after buying his licenses!

I dont hang out here any longer however I was directed to this thread and in the spirit of fair play...

Ill take you up on the offer with these caveats...

I already have secured the same license as yours with Mark so yours isnt needed and I will be constantly updating on the results of my progress.

And its well documented here and on other boards that Mark and I arent good old boys and neither of us kiss each others ass.

Im on record as saying after 90 days of research for another client this is the BEST turnkey system on the web for this purpose.

However there are a lot more things you must have on the ball even if you use the best software available. Youve heard from Will who is well qualified on this subject as well as a couple of other of his clients that they have been able to make a go of it.

From what I can see your traffic sources were riddled with fraud which is what you get when you advertise on tube sites and then in turn disable any fraud protection.

How you can have 3K of income with 2K of it as chargebacks and fraud and blame the solution provider is beyond me.

But all about fair play so Im going to see for myself.

Welcome aboard, Gonzo.

What he said. .... Except I've always gotten along with Mark. :thumbsup

Heya Mark,

Sorry for the delay in responding. I wanted to get some records together before responding. You should have an email from me now. Please let me know if you didn't receive it.

Abbie

Hi Abbie,

Email received! Reply sent.

Thanks, Mark :) I truly appreciate it. You have a happy camper on your hands.

Sure I'd take it, but only if I could colo my own server with Mark, where I would have access to the source code if they stopped supporting it at some point in the future. I'm not worried about the upfront costs, I am more worried about building a business that relys on what happens to 2much media.

btw though, I can already answer your question. If my results with his system was shitty I wouldn't blame anyone other than myself. :2 cents: The only thing he guarantees is software, the rest would be up to me to provide.

PornSiteNewBie:

You are free to sell or give away your license as I said above, however the following conditions have to be met before we can support the new client:

#1. We must have a signed Terms of Service with that new customer.

#2. You need a very clear letter signed by the two as well as our lawyer, which clearly states that this new person or entity is the clear and rightful owner of your license, and that you have no claim to any portion of it now or later on. (We do not want to get into a dispute over who to pay), and that your new customer assumes all costs of any current or future liabilities on your account. (Right now, your liabilities are high)

#3. You also need to be very clear if you are providing your, database of customer, your database of performers, graphics and artwork, stats and other data along with your license.

#4. Your license must include your domain name, verifiable via a whois serarch. If it does not, we will have to charge additional setup fees to properly transfer the account, userlist, performer list, etc.

In other words, the "owner" must own "everything".

Will76:
I talked with our lawyer today about your idea and while interesting, it is not possible at this time, sorry. However I do have something for you that I think you will find very interesting. Please hit me up on ICQ and I will give you more info.

Cheers!

Boy, I just can't win! Here I was feeling charitable, trying to do a good deed and donate your $6,000 3 site license to the good people of GFY, and you have to spring this on me now! This means that whoever wants my license will have to pay you a $1,600 fee to change their domain name, since I can't offer my domain for free with the license, as it's currently being used to finally make money. So, I am sorry folks, but I have to ammend my free license offer. You can still have it free, but you will have to agree to pay Mark $1,600 to use your domain with it. I am sure it's still worth it, since you will still be saving $4,400 off the MSRP :1orglaugh

Gonzo, luckily we didn't shake on this deal yet, because it wouldn't make any sense for you to take my license, since it will cost you another $1,600 on top of what you already paid Mark. No need to thank me, just post the URL of the site you will run on Mark's software, as we would all love to watch how you do the impossible, and make it succeed.

So, anyone who doesn't have a current license with Mark, please step forward to claim mine under the new terms above. Please be sure to consult with your attorney prior to accepting this offer, as it may be dangerous to your wallet :1orglaugh

PornSiteNewbie:

You are wrong.

You had asked me to install a new license on a new domain, with new accounts (ftp, email, ccbill), new template, new everything. You were in effect asking for a whole new standard license. Our regular cost on this license was $2100.00 but I had offered it to you at $500.00 off since you were already an existing customer.

A license ownership transfer is not the same thing. We sometimes charge $100.00 to cover legal costs but generally it is free because the domain name, account details, users, performer accounts etc, all remain intact. There is little work for us to do except to review the paperwork and sign off on it.

You may want to read things more carefully before you get so upset.

Mark why was I triple billed in one month. In 2008 you can only do so much with the design
You bill for hosting, you bill each time a model download the software, That what I just recall. I was cool with your company until I keep getting billed for stuff three months . Which was not part of the terms

This is what you say I owe in sept 09

Account balance: -3590.12
Minimum Payment due: -3840.12

You keep billing me when i ask you guys to stop billing me after charging me 3 months out the blue on my debt card. Why do you keep billing me. I can even contact ccbill if you like. Do right by people sending you money

Accounts in good standing Maintain a $250.00 minimum reserver and bennefit from the following:

- Preferred Mbase Pricing
- Free Miristream licenses
- Continuous Access to MBase
- Software updates as as they become available
- Qualify for 1 month free hosting
- Save on interest and late payment fees

Accounts which become late are subject to :

- Additional service fee of $35.00
- Interest charges of 28.8% per annum
- Limited Access to Administrator program
- Suspension of Mbase Services
- Suspension of email services
- Possible suspension or redirection of website and hosting services

No, Mark, that couldn't be further from the truth. I told you I was moving my primary domain to someone where I would actually make money, and asked if I could move a small domain with little or no traffic to you, just to keep your worthless license and at least get something that I paid for. It was a simple domain change, nothing more!

Really? Sometimes? Paperwork to sign off on LOL? Before you get all conglomerate corporate on me with your usual BS, read what you wrote before (pasted below) in an earlier post in this thread:

OMG, Mark. So let me check my dictionary to translate the above. Emm, how is changing a domain different then selling your license to someone else with another domain? How is it any less work which only carries a "sometime" price of $100 instead of the usual $1,600 price you wanted to charge a one year loyal customer like myself who has never bounced a single check to you? Please explain!?



OK folks, important update! It looks like there may have been a misundersanding with Mark after all about the license transfer. There is a good chance you may only have to pay $100 to claim my license for yourself. Let's keep our fingers crossed that Mark will get approval from headquarters and his attorney to allow me to help him promote his business and give away his $6,000 license for free to the first person who claims it here. Please stay tuned...

Sorry, Mark, I am not upset at all any more. This is getting funnier and funnier by the minute :1orglaugh

If you want to waste money go with Mark. You will get nicke and dime to death

Are you that dense really? Or do you never read what is put in front of you?

I am not a Mark supporter. But you are killing yourself here.

Read what he wrote! If you do an ownership change, which includes the domain name (meaning you sold the whole kit and kaboodle to someone) then it is a relatively cheap process that might cost $100.

If you do a domain name change, it requires more.

All in all that actually makes a lot of sense.

Please feel free to carry on.

Mark,

You sound like a putz.....

Take care of this guy - jesus.....

Customer service is #1 - if he's not happy, etc - refund him, make it good and all is over....

Man, and I thought this thread was dead already! Still no takers for the free license?

Is there really a free license? I'll take it . Hit me up :thumbsup

Yes, it's a license I paid $6,000 for and am giving away for free. The problem is since it's not just an ownership change, but also a domain change (since my domain isn't included with the license), you will have to pay Mark a $1,600 fee to accept and use my license. If I was including my domain, it would have only cost you $100, but since my domain is being used on another project, you'll have to use your own. Is that OK with you?

I guess keeping $10,000 of my money isn't enough, Mark continues to bill me even after I canceled all service with him in writing:

I just got 2 of these today:

Dear XXX,

Account balance: $470.31
Minimum Payment due: $279.69

This is an automated curtosy reminder to inform you that your account has fallen below its Credit Limit, and must be paid up to date immediately in order to remain in good standing with us.

Accounts in good standing Maintain a $750.00 minimum reserve and bennefit from the following:

- Preferred Mbase Pricing
- Free Miristream licenses
- Continuous Access to MBase
- Software updates as as they become available
- Qualify for 1 month free hosting
- Save on interest and late payment fees

Accounts which become late are subject to :

- Additional service fee of $35.00
- Interest charges of 28.8% per annum
- Limited Access to Administrator program
- Suspension of Mbase Services
- Suspension of email services
- Possible suspension or redirection of website and hosting services

Please maintain your account's good standing now by making a payment. Failure to make payments on time may result in the suspension or closure of your account, and the reporting of your late payment to Equifax and other credit agencies, and the transfer of ownership to your account to collection agencies in your area. If you are unable to make your payment at this time please contact us to arrange for an alternative payment schedule.

Will someone please take my license for free to end this nightmare!

Someone just brought the following thread on YNOT to my attention:

Another fine sales thread on YNOT for 2much.net back from 2007

Sounds a lot like this thread, except it happened 3 years ago! Mark is almost using the same language in his responses here as he did back in 2007. I think he has them saved as a form letter to save time from having to come up with new BS every time he gets accused of being a scammer. This way he just posts the screenshots, but just has to cut and paste the BS. I wonder how many more posts like that there are, and how many people fell for his scam and kept quiet.

There is nothing wrong with mark prince his system
I have heard my clients speak about it, and it was always catching their minds.
I am sure Mark has a lot of happy clients also.

I would like to see just one happy client with a real website, and one who is not getting to use Mark's studio free for buying him a beer.

I might have a need for it. If its possible let me know.

Pornsitenewbie, year later I am still getting billed, didnt see the bill in December thru. His program only help him make money, he tries and still people models and overcharge you on the back end. I was a client and i got burned. I hope no one else get burn

Absolutely, although I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Please get in touch with Mark to make the arrangements, and pay him the $1,600 fee to change the domain on my license. Once that's been settled, and you're OK with all his terms, please contact me. Just to be sure, we will post the domain you will be using with his license here, and we will track your progress both in terms of traffic and revenue for the next 6 months.

PornSiteNewbie,

The notices that you received on Monday are automatically generated from our system when accounts fall below the minimum reserve.

Even when accounts are "closed", they are still active in the system to allow you to receive additional payments. These payments can include Returning Holdbacks from CCBill and returning holdbacks from us. Without this, you would not receive proper credit for these returning holdbacks.

I have adjusted this for you and you will no longer receive these notices and requests for payments. If you would like updates on this in the future please let me know and will send you updates myself.

As for the Ynot post, that customer failed in his business and chose to blame us instead of himself. That post and others contained some wild accusations which we had proven to be false, but he had refused to believe. In the end we had no choice, and sued him in court for Libel. We won.

I understand that you are not happy with how our business together turned out and I am sorry it had to end the way that it did but labeling us as a "scam" and even going as far as to put it in your sig is uncalled for.

For those interested, Almost everything that "PornSiteNewbie" has posted in this thread is false and I have backed it all up with screenshots. I invite everyone to take advantage of our offer to use our software for free and see for yourself just how powerful our system is, and how detailed the accounting system is. http://www.2Much.net.

why would he lie **********, did he lie about you guys contacting his model to come over to your site?

Mark, I don't know exactly what you proved, to me you only proved every point I made in full detail. You market your system to newbies, promise them the world, and then take their money and send them packing, that simple.

Even if I was Bill Gates, I couldn't make a profit with your system, it's so amateur and mickey mouse that you should be embarrassed to market it to third parties.

Once again, the proof is in the pudding, show me one yes just one sucessful website who has "made it" using your software!!! Come on, prove me to be libelous, and I will take my signature down! As far as I am concerned what I am doing is preventing others from being scammed, and rightly so. If that's libel, then telling people that I got robbed would be libel too.

This looks like one of those deals where they only like to deal with REAL business people. You should find a company that gives shit away for free. Sadly, Geocities is no more ;(

Oh Mark, and interesting that you mention in your post how the former customer in the YNOT post was also ignorant, and didn't understand your system, and wasn't a real businessman. Yeah, it was all his fault, and you won your libel lawsuit (LOL, I'd love to see proof of that right here), but just like in this thread, he wasn't the only one who got scammed by you.

Others came forward, just like they did here. Just look at one of those posts by user Shellee here. It must be nice to use bullying tactics and friends who are not even customers to come forward and defend you, but luckily I am a man of principle, and have a nice enough budget to see that this is handled properly, and I won't stop until it is.

Here is a post by AlexMerchant from that YNOT thread which sums it all up, sorry I have to quote it:

Taken from Ynot Thread About 2Much Bottom Of Page 4:

FYI, this poster's reference to "Hammer" is for one of Mark's friends who was trying to defend his shady business practices. I couldn't have said it better myself, and keep in mind this was said back in 2007.

[Start Of Quote]
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Mark Prince,

2Much? Yes indeed. To much bullshit.

If your product/service was worth what you are charging, anyone/everyone would be able to make money from it, thereby making you money off of their labor and efforts.

The fact that you have to have some massively convoluted, confusing billing/charge, over-charge, up-front fee, back-charge, overage/usage, upgrade-fee, surcharge, future-charge, support-charge, fuck-customers-up-the-ass-charge would indicate that you are not selling shit, except for the shit you are selling. Reminds me of a "Hammer" type shyster bullshit relationship. (See the smiley emoticons you asshat? Those apparently mean something to you.)

This is a case where someone should have bought a fucking $35 webcam, filmed some adult entertainment, used CCBill and made some extra cash. I don't know how many times I can state that people do NOT need asswipes like this company, "exotic practices in billing/hosting/providers/support" from other companies that sell content/web-cam-content-uploads-upgrades-or shit that is over-produced/over-marketed/generic" and has been "Hammered" to fucking redundant/spam regurgitated-boring fucking death".

The fact that so many support this insanity is evidence of the shrinking of the size of balls, backbone, spine's, courage, gumption, innovation, and ideas of males across the globe. I mean lets be brutal/crass like most men in a locker room with jock-strap sans pants are, guys will pay for the sight of naked women. (Gay guys will pay for sightings of other gay guys as well.) It's not that fucking complicated.

If some company makes their money off of obscure and convoluted billing practices that are based on everything BUT the actual content they provide, AVOID them like a nail avoids a fucking crooked, unscrupulous, dickless and powerless "Hammer".

Sex sells. Period. One way or the other. It always has, it always will. One way or the other. Period.
People get so caught up in the conartists (like Hammer) that they forget that what sells is this content, the vagina, the dick, the act, the pussy, the deed, the raw, unadulterated porn.
You don't need a wimpy third party spineless "agent" or broker, or webmaster who does not have the looks, the dick, the balls, the backbone (like Hammer and others) to make the actual content and sell the actual "business".

Stop wasting your money and your time with the "shyster salesmen" of this business. Go to the source of what people are willing to pay for. Go "Hammerless". (Notice the smiley face again hammer-not worth of a capital schmuck? That makes it all better (according to you) so you won't start crying to the mods and pissing in your little boy-dick pants again.)

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[End Of Quote]

Not a nice gesture out of you to contact the model that is working on his site. Sure, you did apology for that, but what if the model came and work for you instead of contacting him?

I don't know about the rest of the story in this thread and i do not want to interfere, but this thing regarding the models does not sound too good to me.

I hope you'll both figure it out in the end and that none of you ends up losing anything after this. :2 cents:

haha, exactly... i have been checking it out :)

Use his product and get over charged like I did. They will fee beat you to death

My 2 Cents
 

My story is quite different, but still has an unfortunate ending. I won't cast aspersions around about LCN or Mark Prince, but I will say I am terribly disappointed in him and his program. Almost everything negative said by pornsiteNewbie has an element of credibility.

I have know Mark for eight years, six as a chatter on his site and the last two as a site owner. I have severed my connections with him this date.

The purpose of this post is to find out how many people have been dissatisfied with the 2Much/Mark Prince experience From my experience this number should be rather extensive. If the number of people is as big as I expect perhaps we can find a way to solidify our forces so newbies in the field are made aware of possible pitfalls of working in this field.

Again, this is not a slam on Mark or LCN. If anyone is interested in my experiences just write me. Mark, there is nothing here for you to try to defend so don't load the board with your talking points.

ty all

Steve

btw, Media Guy, aka Greg, is great

Ive known Mark for several years and Im also an a enterprise licensee and theres probably a post in this thread by me pissing on him and his product.

However a little over a year ago I tried the system out for myself and while I will agree that there is room for improvement [as there is with all systems] I can honestly say that this is THE BEST turnkey system for cams on the market.

I recognize your name from the chat rooms while you might not recognize me but you always seemed pretty happy online in the girls rooms.

And Greg and Mark have always been very helpful from my experience too.

Have not seen you around for a while my friend. How about an update!!

Steve (aka Punchcard)

PunchCard Da MAN!
Not much of an update as Ive not done much work with my license.
Between 8 hours or more dedicated to my main client as it has been for the past 7 years plus working with 9 new paysites the cams took a backseat.

I cant piss on Mark because I havent put in the time or effort to give it a fair shake.

Sorry to see you guys couldnt work it out. Cams are very competitive these days between finding customers and keeping the girls... major full time job.