Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17937100)

You exaggerate, 99.9% of models (only 4 out of 1087) don't try to steal from the cam site they are working on. Although, not to sound crude, but your site is all asians so maybe the percentage is a higher amount with that ethnic group.

Mark is not my friend. I have never met him nor done business with him and I am pretty sure I have pissed him off a few times. I have no dogs in this fight I just call it like I see it and use common sense and experience. I looked at his software 4 years ago pretty thoroughly and decided it wasn't for me.

Just a white label? What he offers is much more than a white label *IF* the person using it actually takes advantages of the features. All A white label is the parent company's cam site with your name slapped on top and some different colors, on your domain. Period. With Mark's solution you can control and manage your own chat host. Your chat host cam make money from other people in the network not just your traffic. If are trying to start your own cam site but don't have the hundreds of thousands to hire programmers buy lots of expensive hardware etc... then you can start small with his solution and still have your own cam site. If you only have a few chat host starting off, when yours are offline there is always others on, so your site never goes with out having chat host live. Something that you would fighting if you started your own cam site with a $269 script :1orglaugh You can also have your own merchant account with his solution vs a white label.

Now if someone pays all of the license fees and monthly charges and doesn't put any chat host online and doesn't make many or any sales, then yeah it is just a white label TO THEM because they aren't using all of the functions it offers. Those people should have done a white label from the start but it is their own damn faults.

You asked a two part question " How can superior (at this point) software deliver low sales and angry people. "

Angry people: They are angry because they purchased something that they thought they wanted but come to find out it didn't fit their needs. This was their own damn fault for not knowing what THEY needed.

You might be able to understand it better this way. If 100 people go get a white label site, lets say 95 will still fail. Why? because they didn't generate traffic and make sales, their work ethic sucked, or maybe they just sucked all together.. it happens ALL THE TIME. Do you ever hear those 95 people crying on GFY... maybe a few but hardly ever do you hear any of the affiliates who used a white label cry because they didnt make lots of money and quit... Take the same people that were going to fail no matter what (have no concept of running a business much less the ability to generate traffic and make sales) and now have them shell out a couple thousand dollars to get started plus monthly fees. 95% of them are going to be pissed when they fail. They not only failed but it cost them money to fail and while they were failing they were paying monthly fees. They then feel like they were scammed. Failures blame everyone else, never themselves. I can't learn from your mistakes if you think you never did anything wrong.

Why isn't mark doing better with a superior product? Because there is A LOT more to a successful cam business than the software platform. Software is just one small component. What is more important is traffic (sales) and chat host and the perfect harmony you need from both of them. Mark's site has never had more than 4-5 girls on it on avg. How does the site make money?? from cam sales. When you only have a couple chat host on it stifles sales because the selection is terrible. I would rather choose from 100 chat host than 5. If I don't like those 5 chat host I leave. Also only having 5 online makes a site look dead. You can only collect so much in sales when you just have a couple girls working at a time .

Now at the same time, quality is much much better than quantity, but you really need both to be successful. The lion share of any cam sites sales will come from its whales. The 10% of customers who will spend 90% of the sales. In order to get whales you need a lot of quality chat host that are pros and can turn the customers into whales and make them fall in love with them (retain them). It's tough to do that when you have 4-5 chat host on. Whales might land on his site all the time, not see a chat host they like and they are off to the next site. He needs a bigger net to catch them and keep them.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 17937160)

Very well said. Thank you, Will76. This sums up the issues perfectly.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 17937205)

Damn this was a good read... hard to think i just read the whole thread

Originally Posted by cams2chat (Post 17937163)

Mark...if you and Will have all the answers why do you have a 0% success rate with your licenses?

Originally Posted by frottage (Post 17937212)

In 3 months the Cliff Notes will be out:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by cams2chat (Post 17937151)

Thanks for teaching me about cam sites. I built and own the one with all the Asians on it and pretty much you are clueless.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 17937243)

We don't. Actually, as "LiveCamNetwork.com", we have lots of success. We wrote our own software, obtain our own traffic, hire our own models, do our own payroll, make our own profit, etc. A nice tiny, self contained world without plugging in to a white label. Our only dependancy are 3rd party billers.

What we offer to is to show others who are interested how we do it. We license the exact same software that we use, and we offer generous amounts of our time to show everyone exactly what we do.

We offer to let them use our models to get started, and if they hire their own models, we offer to promote them on our own site, as long as they fit within our own parameters that work for us. (For example: Female, fun, sexy, outgoing, entertaining, strong personality, and talks by voice).

There is no mystery here, and we are completely transparent and open about everything we do to make money, and we show people like Frottage EXACTLY what to do to be just like us.

People can do their own thing of course and they may make alot more than we do, but of course they may make alot less too.

It is really nothing more complex than that.

Regards,
Mark Prince

Originally Posted by cams2chat (Post 17937163)

Mark...if you and Will have all the answers why do you have a 0% success rate with your licenses?

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 17937205)

Damn this was a good read... hard to think i just read the whole thread

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17937266)

Oh look, another smart ass reply.

I can't remember ever talking to Mark before in the past although we probably have at some point. Just because I can give reasons why I think his situation turned out the way it did doesn't mean that he will agree with me much less take my advice and act on it.

It sounds like Mark spends a lot of time trying to license his software (look how much time he spent in this thread). Perhaps he should take that time and build up his own cam site more and get more girls on it and more traffic / spenders. From what he posted here it sounds like he made a decent amount of sales last year on his own. I bet he could double that if he wasn't focusing his time on dealing with noobs and trying to make money from license sales.

I am sure I am not telling you things you don't know but starting a cam site with quality chat host is tough because you have to have the perfect mix of spenders and chat host on or it will never take off. If you have more traffic and not enough chat host you wasting traffic/money. If you have a lot of chat host and not enough spenders the QUALITY chat host leave. Now if you had a site full of cheap, shitty girls who are happy to make .50 an hour, and all they know how to say is "hi bb" " you like bb" then it is much easier because they happy making shit and will never leave. BUt i think Mark would prefer working with quality chat host and not cheap crap, even though it makes your job easier because you can put 100 of them on for pennies on the dollar, but they suck so bad in the long run they not going to retain many whales and never make you a lot of money from a site full of shit.

Originally Posted by cams2chat (Post 17937260)

Asking for a second time....why do you have a 0% success rate with Licenses....show me 1 Licensee doing well

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17937266)

Now if you had a site full of cheap, shitty girls who are happy to make .50 an hour, and all they know how to say is "hi bb" " you like bb"

Originally Posted by cams2chat (Post 17937274)

I am amazed at your total lack of knowledge but you seem to be doing a good job of tag teaming some guys who are down..... I dont like that

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17937291)

Unlike you, When I am "tearing down" someone I am also helping them (if they choose to listen). I *EXPLAIN* why I am saying what I am saying so maybe they will step back and look at the situation from a non biased third party who actually knows a little more than they do.

You on the other hand are just a piece of shit that wants to insult people, period. You are a LOT worst than I am, i just tell people helpful things that unfortunately some people don't want to accept. You on the other hand just throw out insults.

+ 3 replies insulting me saying I don't know anything but giving shit to support why you think that? What specific parts am I so clueless on ?


Some people in this thread are so close minded they have to assume that just because I disagree with them and mostly agree with Mark, they I have to be paid by Mark, because how could anyone see it any other way then they do. Or they have to assume because I offered to consulting that means I am broke or what the fuck ever. Or that I actually made sites in the past that didn't make a lot of money then I must be a failure too. Never mind the fact I have made tons of sites and done a lot of projects that didnt make me money. Every time I accepted responsibility and learned from it. I sought out advice from others who knew more than me. Just like I would love to hear why you think I am clueless about something because you may be right and I may be wrong, but no, you just want to make insults.

Originally Posted by cams2chat (Post 17937295)

What you dont know is how to run a cam site...... or the realities of a cam site. But you are quick to tear down guys that had a go but just didnt stand a chance. I am still waiting to see 1 successful licensee of this product.

Originally Posted by cams2chat (Post 17937295)

What you dont know is how to run a cam site...... or the realities of a cam site. But you are quick to tear down guys that had a go but just didnt stand a chance. I am still waiting to see 1 successful licensee of this product.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 17937285)

If you only knew the dealings we had with these idiots. Our own end-users call these girls the "bb" girls because thats all they know how to say. Even worse, the site owners who hire these morons wonder why BB girls don't convert.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17937299)

How do you know that I haven't been involved with a cam site as an owner and/or worked with owners and saw every single thing from fraud prevention, chat logs, to spending habits, which chat host made the most... I've had tons of access and been involved more than you can imagine or know.

Never mind in the past I have owned an ran my own cam house probably before you were even online.

But since you ASSUME I don't know anything about running a cam site, please kindly educate me instead of just being insulting and what parts specifically did I get wrong??? Since I am sooo clueless, surely you could rattle off 20-30 things that I was wrong about from my post.

Originally Posted by cams2chat (Post 17937304)

Your purpose here is not educate....its to belittle those guys that had a go and failed using your friends system..... not sure why but I think even the blind can see your true purpose.

Thats about it for me.....you and your friend can resume belittling others and pointing out how smart you both are. I see what you and Mark claim to do and in Marks case I would call that Monday. I dont presume to know how well you do but if your talk is any indication you must be the smartest guy in the room.

Thanks BB, but play time is over.

Originally Posted by B.Barnato (Post 17937391)

please ignore will76 he is village idiot