Here are two big reasons - dumb and dumber.

http://www.godorscience.com/gar.jpg

i was being sarcastic, but fact is, she is no longer a representative of the US ;)

she no longer works for the Tax Payer, in fact, she QUIT her JOB, amidst scandals and was removed from her post, she definitely does NOT rep US any longer. ;)

Profit should never be tied to Health and if it is it should be secondary.

If I lived in the U.S. I would be a Republican (Ron Paul one) but Health is the ONLY issue I think should be centralized. When money has it's name on health care it creates greed and worst case scenarios for fellow citizens.

Sarah Palin does not have a clue about these type of political issues because she has money and thats the problem with most politicians. Good policies need to come from the men and women who make the country flow with their bare hands and manual labor. The average Joe needs to be accommodated and considered when discussing these items.

This was in context of a thread about Americans wanting healthcare more like what Canada has. Several Canadians were using the same thread to tell us how shitty their healthcare really was, which helped support the usual conservatives who argue against it for us.

I wish I could find it and show you but, GFY barely functions as a normal forum.

democrats will never admit republicans are right
republicans will never admit democrats are right
socialists will never admit capitalists are right
capitalists will never admit socialists are right
atheists will never admit christians are right
christians will never admit athiests are right

and on and on it goes my friend :)

the bullshit usually starts when someone has an agenda... no matter from who, or from where its coming from or why.

well reasoned arguments, logic or fact, play no real role in emotional debates.

:2 cents:

Thanks :) This was probably the one, or one of them that I was remembering.
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/922142-canadian-health-care-system-fucked.html

More likely propaganda ministers of the religious right pretending to be Canadians. These people will stop at nothing to get their way.

My dad has medical through Boeing. A company he worked for over a period of decades.

He has to wait in line just like people in Canada do. He wanted to see about a soreness in his left knee. They told him to schedule an appointment and they will see him around December 8th. This was back around Nov 20th.

He asked WTF, is this socialized medicine? They said that is just how it goes. So he called a buddy that uses Medicare. Asked him about a similar issue he had and how long it took to see a doctor. It took several days, but not several weeks.

if you support or like anything that woman has to say, you might as well be in this video from her book signing:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk

This is not too bad. I got very ill in the summer of 2008 and had to wait 4.5 weeks to get to see a Urologist. During that time I was completely sick, with the only source of treatment being trips to the Hospital Emergency where they couldn't give any consistent treatment.

When I finally got into see the Urologist I was triaged by a medical student. After this BS it took more than a year to see two other Urologists and I have my next appointment in December. In the USA my experience would be considered malpractice, but here I just have to take it.

The issue in Canada is the lack of freedom and choice. And the fact that we are all paying outrageously to keep these social services afloat. And anyone who thinks that the only costs are the insurance premiums, or their income taxes are nuts. The medical system is Canada's Military-Industrial complex. It is a colossal and corrupt make work program.

As an aside I have just returned from spending 5 years in a variety of Asian countries. I can tell you the situation for medical access is better in China than Canada. And in fact I did have a procedure done there that I would have been waiting for years in Canada. These Asian countries are dynamic and moving up largely because they are not saddled with the huge tax costs and limitations of operating any business in Canada. Coming back to Canada is like entering some Soviet past, where nothing can be done.

With respect to the posters here, I doubt many have the worldview or experience to comment appropriately on the subject.

China being better than Canada is an argument FOR socialism, not against.

China is not a socialist country. More like a hyper-capitalist police state.

I have world wide experience..

That wouldn't be malpractice here, that would be standard practice. You have to wait in America for problems just as much as you do in Canada. If the Doctors are busy, the more your problem is specialized, the more you wait... unless it's an extreme emergency, everyone waits, sometimes for years.


I lived in Canada and Paid Canadian taxes... The taxed %'s in Canada are lower than Americans, before Americans pay for Health Insurance, all other taxes on are scale, at all healthcare levels.

Per-capita, The Gov of Canada spends half of what America already spends. Per-capita the avg Canadian spends half what an American spends. American spends 5% more GDP than Canada per-capita. Health Insurance wise, Americans spend more per-person than any other Country in the world.


China wise... They may have a good medical system that some people can reach, for sure not all.. and even so that doesn't change the fact the people are swimming and drinking lakes of raw shit and trash with nuclear waste and environmental havoc happening all around them.

Even in China, kids with birth defects wait.. it's not perfect in any country.

China is more of a communist/socialist country than the U.S. or Canada, and has a socialist healthcare system and is moving toward universal healthcare, not toward a free market private system. The US healthcare is nothing like China, and was not in the top 10 free market countries, where the US was the only one without universal healthcare. Hong Kong however, was something like #1 for several years now.

Bang on...

The HUGE difference between the medical situaton in China and the US is the difference in cost. I am not sure about china but many other Asian countries you can be treated, and treated well for very little money. I am not sure how they do it thought. Their doctors just don't make as much? Supplies don't cost as much? Either way, nothing about how the medical system is in China/Vietnam/Thailand/Korea is going to change whats going on the US/Canada unless medical professionals are willing to take huge paycuts as well as medical supply companies doing the same.

In addition, China has been known to spit in the face of our patent laws and create their own generic versions anyway. That saves them huge costs on drugs, where the US probably pays more than any other country.

What are you talking about? You can see whatever doctor you want and if you need a referral to specialist you can pick which one. That's not the case in smaller communities where there's only one specialist in a particular field but private enterprise certainly isn't gonna solve that.

The lack of choice stuff is just rubbish spewed out from talk radio.

She's gonna become president. I can feel it. A lady who believes that dinosaurs roamed the earth just a few thousand years ago will have access to the nuclear weapons codes. God help us.

Batshit crazy nutter.

Go back to China if you don't like it here... :2 cents:

we still have private healthcare so...