| dyna mo |
09-08-2010 01:12 PM |
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Originally Posted by spazlabz
(Post 17480978)
I do not think that Wal Mart is solely responsible for manufacturing moving out of the US. I blame corporate greed versus corporate responsibility and a Government entirely too stupid to see the damage that was inevitable by following along like slobbering dogs such moronic things like the WTO and NAFTA. Simple enough? Make it easy for a company to get everything made outside the US for pennies on the dollar and they will take jobs away from Americans. By Wal Mart leading the way to purchase all their shit products from third world manufacturing they have insured the fall of the American middle class. Now they are not the ONLY company that does this, but they are a leader. Even when you read on their clothing that the garment was 'Made In America' it is a blatant legal ploy that everyone now knows is false
Of course you do, a lot of people do. I consider that to be beyond short sighted. Those minimum wage earners are going to cost you money one way or the other you will pay for the growing number of Americans that are living at or below the poverty line. It is quite expensive to society to have a large percent of the population living in poverty. IF Wal Mart was a responsible corporate leader they would patronize companies that were based in the US and manufactured products in the US... I do not know if you have ever worked in a factory, I did. While I was not a piece meal employee (I was a welder) I saw piece meal employees who worked their asses off making high quality products for pennies a piece... and this was a union job. There are savings to be made there and Wal Mart could have agreements with US manufacturers to insure low prices on the products while employees made a living wage. It is possible, they choose not to
I do not expect a company of any kind to be a charity, profits drive industry and I am not an idiot. You know that Henry Ford was probably the most influential Industrialist in history. He can up with mass production so that he could sell a good product at a price the average American could afford. IF companies continue to move jobs overseas or companies purchase products manufactured overseas exactly who is going to be able to afford to buy their product in the US. A shift is happening in the world economy and America is racing towards 2cd or 3rd world status. Our economic base is being slowly destroyed right under out feet and we are too busy arguing over the stupidest shit ever to notice.
while none of this is 'wal mart's fault' they are a huge player on a lot of different levels
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i see what you are saying now, i too disagree with nafta, etc. and also agree with your view on corporate greed. but i don't agree the middle class is/was being wiped out as you describe. fact is, the middle-class wipeout began a long time ago and way before all of this.
as for minimum wage, i am open to reviewing my position but as i see it, wages are commensurate with the how hard/technical the job is, period. we will always need ditch diggers and there will always be people who are supposed to be ditch diggers. if that means they will never be able to afford a house, 2.3 kids, an suv and a vacation every year, that's reality. we can't change that. now are football players worth $40million a year, fuck no. i get that, but the fact is, there are very few people who can do that while there are many who can dig a ditch.
i guess the difference between our views lies in cause & effect. you think walmart is the cause while i tend to think it's an effect. |
