So now back on to the discussion at hand.

Nathan, is it safe to say that anyone who posts content to your properties, with proper copyright permissions and following your tos, can expect to find submitted videos at some point somewhere on your tubes? In other words, you are not exercising editorial powers?

If its your own content (vs. affiliate promotion) its best to get a content partner program account, check the links on the bottom of most of our tubes to find it.

If its content that you want to use as an affiliate, its a bit more complicated...

It's content that I use as an affiliate but have specific permission to use for promotion. By specific I mean from the content owners for me to promote in this fashion. I've had to in the past get the content owners to contact larger sites to verify and that hasn't been a problem.

So is there a process I can further investigate or by a bit more complicated do you mean not to bother?

I appreciate the honesty.

Yes it is.

To be on the safe side, I suggest you email me, I will forward your eMail to the tube team and they will get back to you on the best approach, always better to ask them than me directly.

eMail me at the email in my sig.

1) I was a founder of TMM, not "just a programmer working for".
2) The great thing about people "knowing" about how to get loans is, some know better than others.
3) "Track record" you invent or read about on some message board or the web might be missing information you simply do not know. Unless you somehow know the european porn market very well, I highly doubt you really know my track record.
4) In the end, it's none of your business to know how I managed to do what I did. It's also none of your business to know anything about the internal non public information about myself, my family, my companies or anything else that involves me.

re read damian comment specifically what he was responding to when he posted the picture

if your to stupid to understand how context matters, well their no point in trying to explain it to you.

damianj is on my ignore list for not having anything of relevance to say to me ever, so I have no idea what his comment was and don't care.

And now gideongallery...it is with GREAT pain and sorrow that I am going to have to send you there too.

It would be hypocritical of me to not put you on ignore when you're the biggest clown of them all.

I admit I deliberately broke my own rule: Anybody who has nothing of relevance to say but just makes verbal attacks goes on ignore from now on.

I broke it because your insane double talk and b.s. over the last couple of years has kept me laughing. But it's time to play fair.

So off you go with the other clowns. Goodbye gideongallery. I had a great time watching you defend thieves and end up looking like a jack-ass.

But before I let you go...SHOULDN'T YOU BE EMAILING THEDOC? HE OWNS YOU!!!

Fair enough. You don't owe anybody an explanation. But you damn sure owe a lot of people something if you don't take down their content.

By the way...you are a "founder" of TMM? Not that that means a whole lot as far as income goes...but just wondering...are you trying to say that you were an OWNER? Or were you just the first employee?

And for your second point claiming to have some secrets about "knowing" how to get jumbo loans...there is no secret. You have to have the income to back it up. You PERSONALLY don't.

Somebody else does. And you are the guy who was made a "partner" to do the work with little or no financial input. And that's cool. IF you have knowledge and skills that make your part in the company just as valuable as the money guy.

But so far...you haven't demonstrated shit. You don't seem to know the answers to anything that you've been asked. You're always shoving it off to one of the other people in the company.

Even your programming skills are suspect because in another thread when someone said you should just write a script to remove content that you KNOW isn't yours...you replied that it had been "years" since you had done programming. And you inferred that you are too rusty to write a simple script.

Don't bother replying to me bro. I already know the answer you'll give: The company is soooooo big that you just can't know everything (anything at all).

It's not a big deal. I've already weighed and measured you...and you come up short to me. I was just replying to Warchild's post. I could care less about you Nathan/Fabian. You can't make me a penny, and I've already taken steps with my content to make sure you don't cost me much either. So carry on with your thieving. It'll come back on you.

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Robbie, you just do not know me at all... you should really not comment on people you know nothing about unless you want to look completely stupid at some point...

But that's cool, do whatever you want, I do not need you either, like you do not need me... that's ok... have fun on the net...

I don't know you at all. I only know what you've said on here and what my ICQ burned up with people who DO know you and do know all about a lot of money and some "laundering"

I will have fun, just like I always have. I love my work. Do you?

cool good to know i will not have to prove you wrong again

btw doc got the email, he just pretended he didn''t so he could back peddle on the deal.

VERY VERY few people truly know me... people might THINK they know me, but the fewest actually do...

And of course I love my work... not that you know what my work actually is, but that's ok... I know nothing about the internet anyway, am a lousy programmer and a thief, and obviously am just some figure head... :)

Well, that's a pretty general statement that could be made about anybody.

I'm saying that all the info I know about you is what you say yourself on here AND what people who have dealt with you professionally tell me.

And just to clarify...I didn't seek out anybody in regards to you. People just read the threads where we have jousted back and forth and then ICQ'ed me.

And as you can guess, anyone who does that has a problem with you already. So it was all negative of course. And I was told your short history in this business.

I really don't care about the rest. I just know that what pornhub has done has hurt a lot of people.

You came on here claiming you were going to change things. But when people ask for some professional courtesy you do the same thing that the worst thieves on the net do and dance and hide behind the law.

Okay. Go ahead. I can't stop you. And your actions say you don't mind one bit about profiting from the work of others. Fair enough. I was just calling you out on the fact that you claimed you were going to clean things up. And you're really not gonna take one thing down unless you're forced to.

In other words...there is no difference that I or anyone else can see.

Robbie, I already cleaned a lot of stuff up, you just do not understand it...

Also of course many people hate me, that's how it is, I can not change it anyway, why try? It will never happen, I could turn off pornhub and you would still think I am a thief... so why bother?

I am going the planned out route with the tubes, and I will continue to do so regardless of what someone on GFY says. If it does not go fast enough for you, so be it, hate me, think whatever the heck you want of me, see if I care.

Yes, yes you are. :disgust

Look the PornHub property will do what is best for the property. It's not going to do more... or less. It will make sure that it fits within the legal boundaries (however jacked up they are) and it will leverage those boundaries to the best of its ability in order to maximize revenue...

To expect anything different is silly and naive...

Exactly.

Unless you're one of the people who spent money on talent, production, crew, location...and then took the risk of 2257, and local authorities. And then spent the money and time to edit and release the scene...only to watch somebody else steal it and get paid a prepaid ad spot from a cam and dating site.

Yeah, silly and naive to think that stealing is wrong.

No, silly and naive to think a multi-million dollar company is going to do anything other than what is in its own best interests.

Get it into your thick head that we do that too, and BY FAR more than you!!

How much do you spend on talent, production, crew, location, content in general each month, huh?

Exactly.

Robbie, do you know what the n.a.t.s acronym stands for?

I have zero argument with you there. I joined Jug Cash as an affiliate when it first opened. Met the guys at Mansef at the Amsterdam show in 2007 and enjoyed our conversation and liked them all.

BUT...just because you are producing a lot of content doesn't change the fact that you are profiting of off other people's hard work on your tube site. You need to get that through YOUR thick head my friend.

Since when did it become okay to make money off of someone elses hard work...as long as you yourself make the same product?

It's not, and that's a foolish argument to make.

No sir I do not. And never cared. If you're telling me that the "N" is for Fabian's fake name of Nathan...then I would be kinda surprised at that.

But in this business...people making acronyms from names that don't exist wouldn't surprise me one bit. :1orglaugh

So all that ranting and railing and raving over x-sells a couple of years back was just silly and naive?

Robbie, I can not really help you understand tube sites... I'll live with that... neither will you understand why it takes time to change certain things on our tube sites... I'll live with that too...

I know you can't. You haven't been involved in this end of the business long enough to help me with anything. But when you get up to speed and get smartened up, at least you'll be able to come back to GFY and have an intelligent discussion about this business. Now go practice some programming. heh-heh

I'm sure that there are plenty of folks there at Manwin who DO know this business inside and out. Just not you.

Stealing is not in a honest business man's best interest. :2 cents:

Robbie, you figured me all out! Thank you so much for sharing and opening my eye's!

BTW, very normal for someone that started online before the web, in chat rooms and such, to have a nickname... even if it seems weird to you ;)

Nicknames have very little to do with "fake" names...

I agree. Nicknames were kinda the thing to do years ago. Now? They look real "high schoolish" in retrospect.

And nothing is going to open your eyes brother. You are in a nice position. Milk it for all it's worth. It's just funny to me to see you try and act as if you know what the hell you're doing and that you could actually change anything at all even IF you wanted to.

And I'm not the one coming after you. I'm not even saying 1/1000th of the things I've been told about you. Partly because it's none of my business, and the other part is because I was asked not to so as not to ruin what's coming.

So have fun. A "nickname" will come in handy if you get the right cell mates. :1orglaugh

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Very interesting. I am learning a lot Nathan.

So a complaint from a user regarding suspected age violations does not trigger automatic removal? Your staff reviews the video and then makes a judgment, or do they ask the submitter for 2257 docs?

Robbie dude you are talking like you think Nathan walked into his local Wells Fargo branch and asked for 50million


Come on man you are alot smarter than that

Jumbo loans? LOL

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Yeah jumbo loans in real estate are loans that are too big to be covered by Fanny Mae or Freddy Mac...why would you say "LOL" ? I know because I just got a Jumbo loan 2 years ago for the house I'm living in here in Vegas. MUCH different than the house I owned before. But the same as the business properties I owned.

And I KNOW he didn't go anywhere and get a loan. He was made a partner in a new company. The company itself has some money partners who can back up the kind of loan and the money was spent.

That was my whole point...that Fabian/Nathan didn't have the personal financial stroke to back up that kind of deal. His partners do. That's all I tried to say. A loan of that size requires years and years of proof of income (tax returns) at a level that most guys aren't on.

And Fabian/Nathan's background doesn't indicate that he ever has made that kind of money even one year. But obviously somebody did. And Fabian/Nathan is the guy who is the "managing partner".

But Fabian/Nathan keeps making generalized blurry statements that somehow infer he DID have that kind of income for years. I call bullshit. And again say that myself and at least 20 guys I am personally friends with have made more money in a year than he has in his whole life.

Not saying he isn't getting a nice salary NOW. Just saying that he was nothing until a few months ago. And he will most likely return from whence he came once it's all said and done judging from his lack of knowledge of ANYTHING to do with the Manwin company when a question is asked.