I fully accept the facts, which are: Guys who work for you and others like them steal my intellectual property and profit from it until I find it and have it removed. I live with that fact daily, but it doesn't make the fact any easier to swallow.

Here is the thing Nathan, if you are willing to profit off from stolen property, then you better be willing to take the heat for doing it. That's why everyone posts in these threads.

Theft is theft, no matter how you want to justify it or hide behind the current law that protects you. Its just unfortunate you can steal it online instead of coming inside my house to get it. :(


:1orglaugh Dean owns again.

"And then some, like us....will steal your fucking windmills."

:2 cents:

Robbie,

just because I do not reply to a certain question about Manwin, does not mean I do not know the answer, it means I choose not to say it. Some things are nobody's business.

And if you think I should know every little detail of the inner workings in each of our 4 main offices around the globe, then we simply have to disagree. This is the point of having good management, so I do not have to worry about the little things. I focus on financing, new acquisitions and general direction of the company. (And posting on GFY as a hobby ;))

You seem to think I am some kind of a PR person trying to spin on GFY... We have a PR representative in canada. She is actually begging me all the time to stop posting on GFY.. I just love you guys too much, I can not stop! :)

DWB, 5 people post in these threads, hardly "everyone" is flaming me... ;)

Right. :1orglaugh

I'm glad that was brought up. I find it AMAZING that many of us can't get a SINGLE video onto your tubes while other posters have 1000s of them.

Now it's best to hit you up first before uploading, to make sure they get on?

I think you just answered the question a lot of us have been wanting answered.

Everyone in the thread Nathan.

Everyone in just about all of the threads you show up in.

Everyone who has their windmills stolen from you ass clowns.


Though, if only 5 people post in these threads, why do you even bother?

DWB,

you just ripped this out of context... he said he is using content from other companies that approved him to use it... the reason I told him to contact us first is because we use something called Vobile... and it might block the content he wants to put up ;)

Also, considering how many people do manage without any issues to upload videos, I hardly doubt you actually ever tried in the last 6 months to upload a single one.

I told you! It's fun! It's a hobby.... It gets you all rattled up and pissed off at me and makes you look more stupid every time.

If "stupid" is the worst people can call me, I can live with that. Though, I'd rather be called stupid than a thief. :2 cents:

And for what it's worth, I'm not the multi-millionaire / porn mogul / family man dicking off on GFY, so you may want to look in the mirror when you call someone else stupid.

BTW.... Why haven't you commented on Dean Captures post regarding you telling him you profit from stolen content and feel unethical about it?

:

exactly :thumbsup

This thread amuses.

Arguing with a mulleted, jerricurled redneck is a little like shooting fish in a barrel though.

I actually did reply to it. And I showed what else I said and why I said which he ripped out of context...

:thumbsup

No Krissy, that was changed when he left :). Pipecrew is actually correct. Can think whatever about Nathan, but he's actually a very very good programmer. I know him since those days, he just does not know that.
Nathan's Affiliate Tracking System (or something very close to it, you have it in the license code)

Something tells me this Canadian women is very smart

O rilly? Something tells me she isn't that smart and isn't doing her job, considering all the "good" PR brazzers & co have been getting even before Fabian's entrance as the big millioner, which IMHO is right next to Santa Clause dwellings through the chimney.

Funny how he says he likes GFY so much, I didn't see him post much before he "bought" mansef, and considering his posting rate now a days, his total posts, and his join date, doesn't seem like he posts here for shits & giggles.

P.S.
somehow I've found this appropriate

Oracle, before mansef 99% of my biz was in europe... I had little interest in GFY after leaving TMM.

A thought struck me from this thread, whats to stop someone setting up a few Chinese or Korean servers and then uploading a shit load of Manwin content and profiting from that ? No pesky DMCA to worry about and then Manwin can have a taste of it's own medicine.

Obviously Nathan is as stupid as fuck, not for what he is doing, but for trying to convince people that his company can't just remove infringing content or remove users who repeatedly upload infringing content. It's a simple case of my business my rules.

I heard it was supposed to be NATE'S (that is short for Nathan) but letter pirates stole the E, and all this time Nathan has been waiting for his attorney to get back to him to see what he can do about it.

Maybe just a rumor. Hard to tell.

Nathan's laughing at you right now.

Because user uploaded content only forms a small fraction of the illegal content on tube sites.
If they receive a DMCA, they press a button, deactivate the video for two weeks, and the transfer them to a new id and activate them again.
The only manual work that is done on the tubes is writing titles and descriptions and categorization. Videos are uploaded in bulk.

He's laughing at everyone.

A few quotes from Nathan:

"Hi Dean, my real name is Fabian, Nathan is my nickname I use online since I am 16. It stuck :) I would be lying if I claimed I do not somewhat profit from stolen content."

"I will even let you say I am an unethical person. In that small regard I will have to then say I am. My tubes make up 1/4 of my business, and as I said 20% of that might be stolen content. So yes, in terms of 5% of my business, I am unethical. I know a lot more unethical people in this business."

"I think there is noone as honest as me ;) Profiting from stolen content comes with the territory and is not being done on purpose..."

"You might think I am unethical... I for me disagree..."

his backpeddling is part of the public record

he went from agreeing to handle all the day to day operations of the join venture

to demanding that i do the day to day submissions to the tube sites /torrent sites,
the day to day maintance of the private tracker, hell he even wanted me to hire and shoot the content.

given the fact he claimed he had done product placement before (and then later admitted that when he tried no one would even consider doing the deal because he stupidly tried to get mainstream companies product placement) i suspect doc thought i was just going to show him stuff he already knew how to do, he do all the work (which he already knew how to do ) and he have to give me 50%.

I'd wager that number to be significantly higher. 20% might be accurate for the content added over the last couple of months, but not even close for the pre-existing libraries.

You call 1 (one) video = all? If it was copyright infringement, then the video wouldn't be there for your "proof". :1orglaugh

Alprazolam is right. They can remove 'all' videos, and they do, if they ban a user when their policy is the three-strike. They 'can', which is the point, no law prevent them from doing that with a "consequense" as claimed.

Try it yourself: Upload 10 movies, where 8 violate their TOS/infringe, and I can guarantee they will also remove the last 2 after you are banned :2 cents:

That the point you moron, youtube does not remove all the videos from an account when they ban someone

yes that person can't post anymore, but non infringing videos stay up

they appear orphanned just like the example i gave you

Only the offending videos are remove period

you can't be that stupid

you actually trying to claim that you can TOS criminal and civil liablities

news flash when the law conflicts with TOS the TOS loses.

as i pointed out if TOS supercede the law eharmony would have spent 2 million dollar defending/settling a case for not providing their service to gay people


if youtube dropped the non offending videos, the videos that in no way shape or form violated their TOS,

1. present the proof that they didn't do for a white person posting
2. ask them to explain why they suddenly decide to treat a visible minority differently

and if you don't think i could sue them for being inconsistant when race is they only difference (all my videos got banned, only the offending ones did for the white person) you are a world class moron.

If gay people can force eharmony, to pay them thousands of dollars, and setup a money losing business just to comply with anti discrimination laws, imagine the pain a visible minority can cause.

youtube couldn't act inconsistant like your claiming they can, the fact that i produced one example of a video staying up proves that youtube policy is to only remove the offending videos and to leave the non offending ones up until they have a community complaint to blame.

gideongallery are you stupid? Nathan claims they can't remove all movies from a banned user because that could "bring legal trouble".

Bullshit.

This is what they write on TOS at PornHub:

They write it themselves: For ANY or NO reason at all. They can do WHATEVER they want!

They are saying to uploaders they can, but here they say they can't? :1orglaugh

No law or no laywer will tell you that you can't moderate and remove user submitted content if they violated TOS. Like PornHub says; you do NOT need a reason. Youtube can remove, Rapidshare can, you can remove all spam from one spammer on your blog without looking at all posts. It happens every day. So stop bullshitting.

:food-smil02

Again more or less ripped out of context dean, but you know that yourself.

The best part though is, that most people understand how I meant this and why I said it.
As your paste says, it cokes with the territory, it is not done on purpose. If we want to run tubes, then we need dmca protection, we have no other choice. And as the paste also said, it 'might' be stolen content. We simply do not know.

I think at some point in the future I might have to talk at one of the next shows about why dmca exists and what finer repercussions it brings with which most people posting here do not understand.

Why does your TOS say something different than you say here:

You can remove submission for NO reason at all, but here you say you can't?

Please do. That would be the icing on the shit cake.

However, at this point we have moved beyond DMCA and are talking about your TOS. Why have terms at all and state you can remove anything for any reason, if you now say DMCA forbids you from following your own terms? That doesn't make much sense.

Your own terms were not taken out of context. :2 cents:

This was really the reason of this thread to begin with.

we have had this arguement before when you attempted to claim that you could use the TOS away fair use right like backup

you can't TOS away your legal liablities under the law, if your TOS violate the law, the LAW wins and the TOS is invalid.

try it yourself, put in your TOS your allowed to distribute Kiddie porn
and none of the content can be used as evidence against you in a trial

see how quickly your ass goes to jail




it court cost inflater, it will not win in court, it just will increase the cost of bringing a lawsuit.

You would have to prove that the TOS violates the law to get around the blanket we can do anything clause.

see above post for explaination

TOS does not nor will it supercede the law

if the law says something is wrong, and your TOS says that it ok, your TOS becomes invalid PERIOD.

That how the law works.

imagine a world where TOS supercede the law, you could get with any crime you wanted.
Bury a clause that says you can charge anything you want to a persons credit card, and you could bang a customers card for hundreds of dollars, for a site you advertise as free.


want to commit murder, just put it in your TOS that your allowed to kill them,

fair use would be totally useless, since you could simple TOS any fair use you wanted.

Hell the fair use cases i keep showing you guys prove that TOS can't supercede the law

if TOS could over write the law, then universal could have put a TOS warning at the begining of all their shows, and the timeshifting of that show would be illegal.

If TOS could over writhe the law, sony could have put a TOS on the back of the CD and it would have been illegal to rip them to MP3.

in fact the original microsoft TOS disallowed making copies of Windows 95 and they got sued were forced to change it to "making illegal copies" and had to pay out millions in damages to Americans who had to buy backup for 19.95 from microsoft (something like $75 per person after legal cost were included)

The whole fucking point of this tap dance gideon and nathan is that you PROFIT from STOLEN content. It is NOT in your BEST interest to do the RIGHT thing. You know very well an INDIVIDUAL surfer posting stolen content is not going to drag you into court for banning his account after multiple dmca complaints. There is absolutely no benefit for him to do that. BUT, it gives you perfect cover to rip, ravage and rape your competitors.

As I said before, I would have tons of respect for you if you said this was a business decision. We are going to stretch the laws to our benefit and try to put as many of our competitors out of the business before the laws are changed. But I guess your "attorneys" told you to deny deny deny. They probably told you to shut the fuck up too and quit posting on this board. But you won't do that because you have some sort of inner need not to be "a bad guy". Nathan/Fabian... you are the bad guy. You are the one hurting more people than you could ever imagine. Own the bad guy in you and tell us to fuck off and quit whining. You are the big dick in the room. You have the cheese bro, own it.!

I truly believe if someone with balls and enough money could take you to court (and not bow down to suck your cock with a nice pay day settlement) it would change this industry for the better. The days of getting your employees to rip off entire member areas would be over if someone ripped you a new one publicly. But money talks and now we have some useless digital thumbprint that the people you are killing with your UNETHICAL business practices could never afford to use(and you probably profit from with some back room agreement made during your last payoff).

Anyways, kudos to you man. You rock:thumbsup Dont worry about karma or hell, that's why you over-pay your lawyers. Sleep well knowing you are a fucking leech.

Comparing allowing kiddie porn to disallowing repeated infringement abuse is mumbojumbo. No one have never gone to jail or lost their safe harbor for booting a member for violating their TOS (which is another reason than the infringement itself)

No one have to prove anything, everyone know their TOS doesn't violate the law and that's the point: They can remove user submissions for ANY or NO reason (as they state). But here they claim they can't. It's not about law but policy, so saying two different things is lying.

You can't have it both ways, gideongallery. That's what bring people into trouble. The best example is piratebay, first they said fuck you to DMCA, next day in court, they argue and beg for DMCA protection. It doesn't work that way...

This thread seems to be going in circles.

DMCA law (or any law for that matter) supersedes our TOS.

so then start a tube site, take my submission and claim that your removeing them because i am a visable minority

see how quickly i win that lawsuit.

microsoft could not TOS away backup rights


and there was no free speech arguement to worry about

and you think a porn site is going to get away with it


if they censored a legit post they most certainly get sued, just because they wouldn't lose the safe harbor provision or go to jail doesn't mean there is zero liablity.



wtf are you talking about the pirate bay never begged for DMCA protection, they claimed what they were doing was non infringing based on swedish law.

swedish law doesn't have a take down process like america

they got convicted for contributing to infringement for something where the evidence didn't even prove they were involved at all (DHT was turn on).

I have to agree with you. If you're gonna be the bad guy, own it and be the bad guy. You have to respect someone who walks it like he talks it. I don't have to agree with your business model, but for fuck sake, man up to what you're doing and tell it like it is.

But don't keep blowing smoke up everyone's ass while trying to convince them it's not smoke because we're all too stupid to even know what smoke is. That is where you lose all respect and make me want to smash a brick on the side of your head. I hate pansies with every fiber of my being. Grow a pair. :2 cents:

The part you do not seem to understand is that a ton of studios are uploading their own content to our tubes. A bunch of amateurs are uploading their own content to our tubes, and yes, some users claim they are from company X and they upload the companie's own content but in fact it is not true. THIS is why DMCA exists. Becuase WE should not be held accountable for users lieing to us and should not need the burden on us to prove every single submission is ok. So sure, we might know that someone DEFINATELY NOT EMPLOYED OR CONTRACTED by a studio is not allowed to uploaded content XYZ, _BUT_ if they claim they are, we can NOT "know very well". This is why we use Vobile, this is why we follow DMCA, to make it as easy as possible for studios to make sure content they never want to see there either never gets there or easily can be removed.

I disagree, I am sorry, but I do. We help more companies than we hurt. By far. We have hundreds of studios submitting content. We license millions worth of content from studios. We are implementing Vobile. We are not target specific competitors to take them out of business, that's complete bullshit. We work with a ton of our competitors, a ton of them are good friends of ours. The people bitching around here would bitch even if I turned off the tubes, they would start bitching about moviebox giving users access to too much content for a low fee and they can not compete, they would be bitching about brazzers paying too much for ad spots so they can not compete, they would be bitching that we are not fair to affiliates for some reason. They always find something, because all they can do is bitch.

Nobody would win against us in court, because we ARE NOT BREAKING ANY LAWS. We also did not do any weird deals with Vobile or FSC. We pay quite a bit of money to Vobile every single month to even use their system, both for brazzers/mofos and for the tubes! Also, Vobile is NOT too expensive! It's NOT something people "could never afford to use", that's just rediculous. It adds a TINY premium on top of exclusively produced content.

Most importantly, your continous bullshit about us ripping other people's content.. WE DO NOT. We do not upload content we do not license directly, we do not rip members areas, we do not steal content. Other tubes we know very well that they do, but WE DO NOT.