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Anthony 02-14-2011 11:34 AM

US Debt now equal to Total US Economy.
 
Just keeps getting better and better.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...al-us-economy/
Quote:

The Washington Times

President Obama projects that the gross federal debt will top $15 trillion this year, officially equalling the size of the entire U.S. economy, and will jump to nearly $21 trillion in five years? time.

Amid the other staggering numbers in the budget Mr. Obama sent to Congress on Monday, the debt stands out ? both because Congress will need to vote to raise the debt limit later this year, and because the numbers are so large.

Mr. Obama?s budget said 2011 will see the biggest one-year jump in debt in history, or nearly $2 trillion in a single year. And the administration says it will reach $15.476 trillion by Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year, to reach 102.6 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) ? the first time since World War II that dubious figure has been reached.

In one often-cited study, two economists have argued that when gross debt passes 90 percent it hinders overall economic growth.

The president?s budget said debt as a percentage of GDP will top out at 106 percent in 2013, but only if the economy booms.

?I still don?t see a sense of urgency from the president about the massive federal debt,? said Sen. Lamar Alexander, Tennessee Republican. ?His budget calls for too much government borrowing ? even though the debt is already at a level that makes it harder to create private-sector jobs.?

Speaking on MSNBC on Monday, Jacob ?Jack? Lew, the White House budget director, said their long-term plan to lower deficits will stabilize the debt.

?When we came into office, when President Obama took office, the deficit was climbing to over 10 percent of the economy. We have a plan that would bring it down to 3 percent,? he said. ?That is the most rapid reduction in the deficit in history. It is what we have to do to be able to say we?re paying our bills and we?re not adding to the debt.?

The administration said debt as a percentage of GDP will stabilize at about 105 percent in the middle of this decade, though those calculations assume economic growth levels significantly above projections of the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

The government measures debt several ways. Debt held by the public includes the money borrowed from Social Security?s trust fund.

12clicks 02-14-2011 11:37 AM

this president is an idiot. He presented a budget with no real spending cuts. It will be fun watching him walk out of the whitehouse for good in 2 years.

Anthony 02-14-2011 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17914688)
this president is an idiot. He presented a budget with no real spending cuts. It will be fun watching him walk out of the whitehouse for good in 2 years.

Like a lot of citizens, I feel I've been fed a load of bullshit. Change, indeed.

Paul Markham 02-14-2011 11:44 AM

I think China will be the Worlds strongest economy soon. Then the shit will really hit the fan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prc1952-2005gdp.gif

http://www.chinability.com/GDP.htm

Fat Panda 02-14-2011 11:47 AM

thanks for regurgitating drudge report headlines...

Anthony 02-14-2011 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAC (Post 17914712)
thanks for regurgitating drudge report headlines...

Seriously Scott, if you don't like it, don't post.

Paul Markham 02-14-2011 11:57 AM

For those screaming for cuts. Imagine what taking that much money out of the US economy will do to the country.

It will send a lot of you bankrupt. People with not a lot of money buy porn, those with lots of money buy escorts.

TheDoc 02-14-2011 12:26 PM

This hasn't been the only cuts, this is one of several that have already gone through and several more on the way.

He will never get one big cut approved - every presidents only option is to cut it bit by bit or get nothing cut at all.

I know many people like to blame Obama, but he isn't the one that makes the action happen on the budget.

12clicks 02-14-2011 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAC (Post 17914712)
thanks for regurgitating drudge report headlines...

feel free to regurgitate the leftist excuse.

12clicks 02-14-2011 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17914814)
This hasn't been the only cuts, this is one of several that have already gone through and several more on the way.

He will never get one big cut approved - every presidents only option is to cut it bit by bit or get nothing cut at all.

I know many people like to blame Obama, but he isn't the one that makes the action happen on the budget.

cuts?
he didn't cut shit.
oh, and you missed this part: Mr. Obama?s budget said 2011 will see the biggest one-year jump in debt in history

12clicks 02-14-2011 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17914744)
For those screaming for cuts. Imagine what taking that much money out of the US economy will do to the country.

It will send a lot of you bankrupt. People with not a lot of money buy porn, those with lots of money buy escorts.

dear idiot, sentence one opposes sentence two.

TheDoc 02-14-2011 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17914829)
cuts?
he didn't cut shit.
oh, and you missed this part: Mr. Obama‘s budget said 2011 will see the biggest one-year jump in debt in history

Boy letting that fox news education shine through again... He's cut 800b so far in the last two years, and he didn't even project any cuts until after 2 years... BAM!

Did you read the article or the title? It says the increase is happening because of "Actual debt held by the public will reach 72 percent of GDP in 2011 and will climb as the Social Security trust fund’s finances continue to deteriorate."

Yep, Mr. Obama's Budget is doing it, all his, his doing, everything he put it into made it go up... Man, you are an uneducated fool.

Paul Markham 02-14-2011 12:40 PM

For those blaming Obama it's time to look at this.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._President.jpg

Seems in the last 30 years the only one to reduce debt was a Democrat.

Americans spend too much and produce too little. It's really that simple. The solution is to sell your 4x4s, SUVs, turn down the air conditioning, stop buying so many imported goods in favor of US goods.

Plus a few other measures. Money loaned and spent in the US goes into the US economy. That keeps the wheels turning. Money spent on goods made overseas goes out of the economy. :thumbsup

What you have to ask yourself is where did the increase debt go to under the Bushes and Reagan?

To the poor or the wealthy or fighting wars?

theking 02-14-2011 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17914703)
I think China will be the Worlds strongest economy soon. Then the shit will really hit the fan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prc1952-2005gdp.gif

http://www.chinability.com/GDP.htm

If it happens...it will not be in your lifetime.

Paul Markham 02-14-2011 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 17914851)
If it happens...it will not be in your lifetime.

That's actually a comforting thought. I won't be affected by it. You must be the same age and probably not as fit as me.

It might take 10, 15 years. But it's coming.

12clicks 02-14-2011 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17914844)
Boy letting that fox news education shine through again... He's cut 800b so far in the last two years, and he didn't even project any cuts until after 2 years... BAM!

Did you read the article or the title? It says the increase is happening because of "Actual debt held by the public will reach 72 percent of GDP in 2011 and will climb as the Social Security trust fund?s finances continue to deteriorate."

Yep, Mr. Obama's Budget is doing it, all his, his doing, everything he put it into made it go up... Man, you are an uneducated fool.

I love chatboard idiots who have to lie to make themselves look right.
here son, show me where the article says,"It says the increase is happening because of "Actual debt held by the public will reach 72 percent of GDP in 2011 and will climb as the Social Security trust fund?s finances continue to deteriorate."

President Obama projects that the gross federal debt will top $15 trillion this year, officially equalling the size of the entire U.S. economy, and will jump to nearly $21 trillion in five years? time.

Amid the other staggering numbers in the budget Mr. Obama sent to Congress on Monday, the debt stands out ? both because Congress will need to vote to raise the debt limit later this year, and because the numbers are so large.
Mr. Obama?s budget said 2011 will see the biggest one-year jump in debt in history, or nearly $2 trillion in a single year. And the administration says it will reach $15.476 trillion by Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year, to reach 102.6 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) ? the first time since World War II that dubious figure has been reached.

In one often-cited study, two economists have argued that when gross debt passes 90 percent it hinders overall economic growth.

The president?s budget said debt as a percentage of GDP will top out at 106 percent in 2013, but only if the economy booms.

?I still don?t see a sense of urgency from the president about the massive federal debt,? said Sen. Lamar Alexander, Tennessee Republican. ?His budget calls for too much government borrowing ? even though the debt is already at a level that makes it harder to create private-sector jobs.?

Speaking on MSNBC on Monday, Jacob ?Jack? Lew, the White House budget director, said their long-term plan to lower deficits will stabilize the debt.

?When we came into office, when President Obama took office, the deficit was climbing to over 10 percent of the economy. We have a plan that would bring it down to 3 percent,? he said. ?That is the most rapid reduction in the deficit in history. It is what we have to do to be able to say we?re paying our bills and we?re not adding to the debt.?

The administration said debt as a percentage of GDP will stabilize at about 105 percent in the middle of this decade, though those calculations assume economic growth levels significantly above projections of the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

The government measures debt several ways. Debt held by the public includes the money borrowed from Social Security?s trust fund.
Actual debt held by the public will reach 72 percent of GDP in 2011 and will climb as the Social Security trust fund?s finances continue to deteriorate.
"


hit Control F and paste in "the increase is happening because of"

I'll wait right here, you lying piece of shit. :1orglaugh

12clicks 02-14-2011 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17914849)

Seems in the last 30 years the only one to reduce debt was a Democrat.

to an idiot 3rd world eye, perhaps.

Vendzilla 02-14-2011 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17914844)
Boy letting that fox news education shine through again... He's cut 800b so far in the last two years, and he didn't even project any cuts until after 2 years... BAM!

Did you read the article or the title? It says the increase is happening because of "Actual debt held by the public will reach 72 percent of GDP in 2011 and will climb as the Social Security trust fund?s finances continue to deteriorate."

Yep, Mr. Obama's Budget is doing it, all his, his doing, everything he put it into made it go up... Man, you are an uneducated fool.

800b cut from what? 1.43 trillion dollar budget deficit!

President Obama later today will propose a 10-year budget plan that would increase the national debt by $7.2 trillion over 10 years -- $1.1 trillion less than if it weren't implemented.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...get-fight.html

So it's ok that he's going to add 7.2 trillion to the debt, it was going to 8.3? How can anyone with a rational mind back this plan?

TheDoc 02-14-2011 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17914875)
I love chatboard idiots who have to lie to make themselves look right.
here son, show me where the article says,"It says the increase is happening because of "Actual debt held by the public will reach 72 percent of GDP in 2011 and will climb as the Social Security trust fund?s finances continue to deteriorate."

President Obama projects that the gross federal debt will top $15 trillion this year, officially equalling the size of the entire U.S. economy, and will jump to nearly $21 trillion in five years? time.

Amid the other staggering numbers in the budget Mr. Obama sent to Congress on Monday, the debt stands out ? both because Congress will need to vote to raise the debt limit later this year, and because the numbers are so large.
Mr. Obama?s budget said 2011 will see the biggest one-year jump in debt in history, or nearly $2 trillion in a single year. And the administration says it will reach $15.476 trillion by Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year, to reach 102.6 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) ? the first time since World War II that dubious figure has been reached.

In one often-cited study, two economists have argued that when gross debt passes 90 percent it hinders overall economic growth.

The president?s budget said debt as a percentage of GDP will top out at 106 percent in 2013, but only if the economy booms.

?I still don?t see a sense of urgency from the president about the massive federal debt,? said Sen. Lamar Alexander, Tennessee Republican. ?His budget calls for too much government borrowing ? even though the debt is already at a level that makes it harder to create private-sector jobs.?

Speaking on MSNBC on Monday, Jacob ?Jack? Lew, the White House budget director, said their long-term plan to lower deficits will stabilize the debt.

?When we came into office, when President Obama took office, the deficit was climbing to over 10 percent of the economy. We have a plan that would bring it down to 3 percent,? he said. ?That is the most rapid reduction in the deficit in history. It is what we have to do to be able to say we?re paying our bills and we?re not adding to the debt.?

The administration said debt as a percentage of GDP will stabilize at about 105 percent in the middle of this decade, though those calculations assume economic growth levels significantly above projections of the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

The government measures debt several ways. Debt held by the public includes the money borrowed from Social Security?s trust fund.
Actual debt held by the public will reach 72 percent of GDP in 2011 and will climb as the Social Security trust fund?s finances continue to deteriorate.
"


hit Control F and paste in "the increase is happening because of"

I'll wait right here, you lying piece of shit. :1orglaugh


This is what you got? This is the crap your spewing back? It's called a statement, which is followed by a quote in the article - what a world class idiot.

Now let's back on topic here... Where Obama HAS made Cuts.

12clicks 02-14-2011 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17914922)
This is what you got? This is the crap your spewing back? It's called a statement, which is followed by a quote in the article - what a world class idiot.

Now let's back on topic here... Where Obama HAS made Cuts.

what's that, liar?
it's not in the article?
Thats what I thought.:1orglaugh

TheDoc 02-14-2011 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17914921)
800b cut from what? 1.43 trillion dollar budget deficit!

President Obama later today will propose a 10-year budget plan that would increase the national debt by $7.2 trillion over 10 years -- $1.1 trillion less than if it weren't implemented.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...get-fight.html

So it's ok that he's going to add 7.2 trillion to the debt, it was going to 8.3? How can anyone with a rational mind back this plan?

What plan do you back? Ahhhhh, that one.

Let me get this straight, no mater what we're going to continue spending a set amount of money for awhile, anyone with a rational thought knows this, no mater who the President is.

So if Obama changes nothing, our debt in 10 years would be 1.1 trillion MORE if we didn't do what Obama is suggesting, just on this cut, not on the ones in the future as well.

I back the plan because if he tried to cut 7.2 trillion from the budget today it would NEVER go through, not a dime of it.. so we would then be 1.1 trillion MORE in debt in 10 years.

Understand yet?

TheDoc 02-14-2011 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17914934)
what's that, liar?
it's not in the article?
Thats what I thought.:1orglaugh

Haha, great argument :1orglaugh

adamz 02-14-2011 01:21 PM


12clicks 02-14-2011 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17914844)
Boy letting that fox news education shine through again... He's cut 800b so far in the last two years, and he didn't even project any cuts until after 2 years... BAM!

and just to fuck with the stupid a little more:

you see a cut the last two years? :1orglaugh

fed budget 2008: $2.9 trillion
fed budget 2009: $3.52 trillion
fed budget 2010: $3.55 trillion
fed budget 2011: $3.834 trillion


I love these kids buying into obama's invisible cuts

12clicks 02-14-2011 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17914946)
Haha, great argument :1orglaugh

hahaha, yeah punk, you've fooled me and everyone reading into believing you're right.:1orglaugh

my god, no wonder....................:1orglaugh

DWB 02-14-2011 01:40 PM

I'm a simple man, but I am smart enough to know that all of this isn't going to end well.

lauralace 02-14-2011 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17914703)
I think China will be the Worlds strongest economy soon. Then the shit will really hit the fan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prc1952-2005gdp.gif

http://www.chinability.com/GDP.htm

China already owns much of the US debt. Let's just hope they never decide to demand payment. The US will be a third world country economically!

Rochard 02-14-2011 01:46 PM

We need to cut everything. Welfare - if you've been on welfare more than two years, your out. Too bad. Unemployement? Same thing. Sorry, we can't afford to support you.

theking 02-14-2011 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lauralace (Post 17915006)
China already owns much of the US debt. Let's just hope they never decide to demand payment. The US will be a third world country economically!

China holds less than a trillion dollars in T-Bills which is a relatively small percentage of the National debt. We buy their products with dollars and they use those dollars to buy T-Bills...so it appears that we have a good thing going with them...now doesn't it.

czarina 02-14-2011 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 17914695)
Like a lot of citizens, I feel I've been fed a load of bullshit. Change, indeed.

I'm with you

xenigo 02-14-2011 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17914829)
cuts?
he didn't cut shit.
oh, and you missed this part: Mr. Obama?s budget said 2011 will see the biggest one-year jump in debt in history

How about we first start with cutting military spending...

That's the largest chunk of government waste, and the biggest part of the budget.

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

Rochard 02-14-2011 01:52 PM

While I'm fucking at it, why in the world are sending money to other countries? How much money do we send to Israel on a yearly basis? Egypt? Pakistan? Venezuela? Stop that shit now.

Remember that stimulus bill? Did you know that $200mil went to the Philippine?

Is this really how we spend our money?

theking 02-14-2011 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17915012)
We need to cut everything. Welfare - if you've been on welfare more than two years, your out. Too bad. Unemployement? Same thing. Sorry, we can't afford to support you.

People get welfare to house...feed...cloth and care for their children. Are you willing to watch the children suffer and die?

12clicks 02-14-2011 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenigo (Post 17915025)
How about we first start with cutting military spending...

That's the largest chunk of government waste, and the biggest part of the budget.

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

uh, you're incorrect.

TheDoc 02-14-2011 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17914981)
and just to fuck with the stupid a little more:

you see a cut the last two years? :1orglaugh

fed budget 2008: $2.9 trillion
fed budget 2009: $3.52 trillion
fed budget 2010: $3.55 trillion
fed budget 2011: $3.834 trillion


I love these kids buying into obama's invisible cuts

And what does the growth look like for the last 30 years?

And cuts are cuts, only an idiot would bitch about them - oh wait.......

TheDoc 02-14-2011 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17914994)
hahaha, yeah punk, you've fooled me and everyone reading into believing you're right.:1orglaugh

my god, no wonder....................:1orglaugh

I didn't say anything was right or wrong, idiot - I simply quoted the article. You're the "only" idiot here that takes text I wrote and claims I said it was in an article -- hahahahaha what first class moron.

TheDoc 02-14-2011 02:11 PM

All Military, Defense and Veterans are the most expensive cost in America - without question. Not all of this can be cut, that's without question but 1 1/2 wars is still the major expense.

And right on it's ass is Health and Public Services. Medicare is most of the cost here. Not all of this can be cut.

Then the 3rd biggest cost, is the Interest on our debt to our own Federal Reserve. Removing this alone would remove all national debt.

You could cut everything else, and we would still be going up..... and up... and up. Those 3 things are the extreme mass majority of our costs, and one of them makes it so it is IMPOSSIBLE to get out of debt.

By paying the debt off, we create debt - do you people understand that?

Barry-xlovecam 02-14-2011 02:19 PM

So where do we cut?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Un...federal_budget

Soak the rich or starve the poor?

Someone has to lose out ...

mynameisjim 02-14-2011 02:26 PM

First of all, there is nothing to cut. The Democrats know it, the Tea Party people know it, and the Republicans know it.

Once you take out social security, medicare, and defense, that leaves less than 15% of the budget to work with, and every congressman and Senator has at least one program in that 15% that he doesn't what touched. There is nothing to cut that will have any real impact on the debt.

The only way to fix the debt is to raise taxes, but we already found out that raising taxes is impossible in the current political climate. So either deal with the debt, or increase taxes. Those are the only options.

TheDoc 02-14-2011 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 17915096)
So where do we cut?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Un...federal_budget

Soak the rich or starve the poor?

Someone has to lose out ...

A huge cut would be totally ending the wars and our imperial control over so many Countries. We can't leave them all, but we can most of them.

If we don't want to have raise taxes in the future... we will need to do something that will fire this Country off like no other. End the free market with anything related to the medical Industry and related Insurance companies. From 'personal' to corp to fed - this is the Countries largest expense, more than everything else combined together.

Haters can hate, but our corps sell the same shit to other Countries at a far lower rate because those Countries force regulate the costs - and they damn sure aren't having the issues we are.

After that it's all about Interest, can't get out of debt with it... We could kill everything else and we would still sink.


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