To make money with porn
 

To make money with porn

Today porn is free. Tube sites now get the bulk of the hits providing pirated and non pirated porn. Its not clear what content is pirated or not. 99.99% do not care if its pirated.

Some webmasters still say you can make money by selling membership as people want quality. This is the desperate hope of some. Its a bit like people who say there is still money to be made selling VHS tapes in a DVD/Blue Ray world. And yes some (very few) people may still buy VHS. However its not going to make you rich if you do so.
The answer is surly to GIVE the content away for FREE.

Give the content away free and the net will flood with your content and with your domain name on the content.

The key thing is how to still make money by giving porn away free.
This is the big question.

One clear and simple method is to put adverts all over your site, and even on your content. Thus you could have an advert at the start, middle and end of your porn clip. Or a banner is placed onto your pics. Adverts all over your site to sell products. However what products would a porn site provide? One thought is dating sites. Or maybe you sacrifice one site to sell your other sites or affiliate porn sites.

The more advanced option would be probably involve some sort of sign up form. A customer may choose to pay to join or fill in a form with lots of details (data gathering). It may be that they have to go indirect to your content by first looking at another site. I.e., they go to a dating site, but have to click through a few pages before they can access your content.

One other though may be that you no longer provide any membership or content online. But rather sell the content on a DVD nor blue ray. Or even going back to print and rather than sell digital content, the content is pics in a subscribed magazine. Or indeed a subscribed DVD or blue ray, where people rather than download a low grade film from the net, get a high def quality film. Each month a new film would come out and people can back order old films. By giving a solid product a member may feel that they have a quality product.

These are just some thought. Feel free to say they suck. I have also spell checked this too. And no I did not copy and past this.

Good thoughts IMO - at the very least some outside of the box thinking.

when you think about it, we are still set in 1998 zone. just pushing membersips.

but the world has moved on.

most people these days use a mobile phone (and one supects do not surfe but use phone apps).

also most see porn as free.

many sound now the same as magazine publishers did a few years ago who refused to move to the net.

soon a new generation will starte who sell porn in a different way and leave the bulk sat praying things will get better, and not understand that things have moved on.

I guess Clips4sale and Brazzer's must be in a free fall (not likely).

Considering, according to people like you, porn is free and "nobody" is buying anything, anywhere.

/sarcasm

It sounds like more of gideongallery,... talking about ad supported porn with a Pepsi in the background.

I am not disputing the 2001 porn industry has changed. I am simply saying, people are still willing to pay for porn just fine. You simply have to provide them something they are willing to pay for, and have the traffic to reach them. The assembly line porn bullshit no longer works. Where you are just cranking out volumes of content with a new skeezer, being choked, gagged, spit on, whatever.

Society, & the world economy, on the whole has changed. It's no longer a 'push' business model. This is not rocket science.

this is interesting:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1075168

I have been brainstorming these ideas for a while now, in particular giving the content away free and monetizing it through ad space/data generation, it's hard to theorise a formula that will be profitable and won't go broke via bandwidth or theft, ultimately all my thoughts end up being a tube in a round about way just with my own material.

I believe xxxjay tried this concept a year or so back. There was a number of GFY threads about it.

Perhaps you should ask them how well that turned out after the big launch, and how profitable it was.

:2 cents:

Listen to this guy. He tends to get it right.

Are they selling as well as they did?

Porn is free. Only a fucking moron would pay for it.

Porn is free, but there a lot of interesting quality network where people should signup and spend their money, royal-cash, nastydollars, naughtyamerica, dogfart...then yes, you could find a lot of these content for free, but why if i have the money i must spending time to search around the net to save some $ when i can i've it at the best quality and always fresh HD content ?

Most people don't take masturbation seriously eneough to want to pay for quality or freshness. They just want some images they can jerk off to and get on with their day. There is more than enough free porn to satisfy your average wanker.

i said you could use product placement in porn

It idiots like you and robbie that keep misrepresenting that to mean i am talking about mainstream companies.

All that proves is you guys are so clueless about product placement that you don't even know the metrics of the model.

nice informations dude

This made me chuckle. :thumbsup

The problem is for most, the solution is way beyond their budget. Quality needs more than just money also. Many here think quality is about pixels. :upsidedow

It never did work as well as the better porn. Everyone knows some sites had a habit of converting better than others.

You are right good sire.

Also, HALF of this forum talks about CAMS CAMS CAM + DATING DATING DATING.

What do you have to say about it?

never ever did a single sale with that shit, because u need to do e-whoring, like some nicks here suggested, you need to create FALSE INTERACTION to sell cams, pretending to be a girl and tricking suckers to buy that shit.

A LOT OF PEOPLE in this forum, talk abotu cams only, like its the only thing that makes money for them. They also talk all the time about API's and WHITE LABELS, what the fuck is that?.. Sometimes I feel like they talk in chinese, i have never ever used an api or a white label...

HONEST TRAFFIC converts with fetish paysites, not with cams.

Do you want to be an illegal SCAMMER AFFILIATE? Then sell cams... Unless you are the owner of one of the biggest 1000 adult sites and you can easily sell anything with that huge traffic.

PIRIOD.

It is the other way round, a paysite is DVD / Blu-Ray in a VHS world....

A paysite (like ours) is where the client can down load very high quality professionally shot, with good stereo sound, WS HD exclusive and unique story erotic films. (=Blu Ray )

Free porn is plentiful but crap, poorly shot, low quality, boring and repetitive. ( =VHS )

:2 cents:

Oh look Captain Bringdown is back.

Why don't you and Gideon go get a room?

Better yet, take Far-L with you and make it a threesome.
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Add Anonymous and Cash Conversions
 

This is a pretty accurate assessment, but the reality is there are very successful companies currently providing variations of all the propositions you suggest.

I've been doing some research lately, and the industry is focused on 'free porn' and surfers not wanting to pay for porn. So I pose a question - how many people on tube sites viewing crappy quality clips are AFRAID to buy porn, or feel they can't hide their purchase for whatever reason if they do buy porn?

One example - in recent research, Entersekt reported that 51% of women and 40% of men desire personal anonymity online - fear divulging personal data because of credit card fraud and identity theft, and therefore are probably reluctant to have it known they?ve joined an ?adult? site.
http://www.entersekt.com/russian-roulette.php

How many people abandon you, or chicken out, after getting all the way to your pre-join or payment page? I'd love to know those stats.

Do you need more traffic or additional conversions?

Go away, again.

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true dat.

after some time in this forum, I noticed people here have no fucking idea about mainstream, and thus, its impossible for them to make money there.

the average adult webmaster is LAZY and DUMB, they need to find something that a monkey could do, to make money. They hate using their brain or thinking, thats the truth.

Once they find something it works, they do monkey tasks and they don't want to change that because they feel comfortable doing it.

PIRIOD.

Sounds like a tube site :thumbsup

Good post

I wasnt there in the golden years, but i heard a lot

On my side i view it like that ( numbers are there as example )

ITs might be 10-15 times harder to convert now ( 1 : 100 to 1 : 1500)

Be it might also be 10-15 more peoples with credit card and internet

Nobody has the same number, so its just to give example, but fo me at the end it remains quite the same...

nobody cant agree that theres a lot of new market/countries that wasnt active before, so a lot of new costumer everyday... but they have acces to a lot of free stuff that wasnt there before... and you have to work way more harder to make $

There is more players in the industry, and less winners

But theres bilions of money to do... we do xx,xxx paid leads/su/members per day, and in the 5 last year, we double/triple or business number of the past year....

So Adult industry is pretty well alive :)


PS VenusB i dont know what do you have against cams sites... but for me its the most "honest" way if we can call it like that to convert a user.

Most of the big sites i promote has landing page with the active girls on the site
You can register for FREE, without even putting a credit card, so no sign up, rebills, upsales etc... You can buy tokens when you want and spent only if you want

You can talk, chat, interact, see REAL live girls... so a nice business models... cam is the present and the futur of online sex because its true and interactive

:2 cents::thumbsup

How many on Tube sites see a scene and just don't think it's worth buying? The simple reason is the scene isn't good enough to stimulate the impulse to see more.

There were always too many online trying to make a living, it was too easy to do it.

People are paying for the convenience. They pay so they don't have to surf around looking for something they know already exists. Everything and anything can be found on the internet for free. Some just aren't too cheap to pay for it and they probably don't have time to surf around for something when they know a small $30.00 month can get them there lickity split.

if you've never promoted dating or cams, how can you dismiss it so harsh? How the hell are people promoting cams scammer affiliates? If there's any porn product which is 'what you see is what you get', it's cams.

Very true. So dumping 100,000s on anonymous sites that all look the same doesn't work.

Exactly.

At some point, time is money for most successful people. Why do I want to spend a day, half a day, or even hour searching for something that I can buy immediately, and download in a few seconds (itunes) or few minutes (clips4sale)? I have better things to do with my time then going through all of the hassles to be a fucking freeloader, thief, whatever people would like to characterize those who do this as.

Most of these enterprise (mainstream/adult) sites are easy to search, they have what I want, it's easy to purchase, and I'm done. I buy a TON of stuff off Amazon. Even things I could pick up here locally in a 5-15 minute drive.

Why? Not because they are necessarily cheaper. It is frankly just more convenient for me. That has value.

no money in porn plenty in billing $200 xsales FTW

1. Most porn searces in google bring up a porn tube site rather than a pay site or affiliate site.

2. It takes much longer to search out a site, join it, then log in, then download, than it does to go on a porn tube site and see the film instant.

3. I prefer to watch porn on a porn tube than have to download a film then get it to play on a player (and thats if it even plays ok).

4. If what you said (above) was true then porn tubes would get no views and pay sites would be getting tons of hits/sales. And clearly that is not the case.

Why do people join a pay site?

There is a reson why some do, and its simple. They cannot find the content on a tube. Ie, if a site has girl x having sex (say she is now on tv but did porn in the past) they will (reluctatly) join.

An example of this was one site I promoted had a exclusive vid of a celeb (from the UK). The site was a pay per film site rather than pay to access all content. I put up a site promoting this. It got to no1 in google. I got 867 or so sales that month - and all for her vid. After a few weeks the vid was on all the porn tubes. Sales went to 3 on average a month. Now this site also sent out a newsletter each week to members. One thus would have expected that all those people who bought the vid would buy more, but they did not.

Pretending that you have reasons why people will join a pay site is rather sad. Its just not real.

My mate spends all his cash on ble ray films. He used to buy 6 porn films each month. Then he found xhamster. He smiled and said he will never buy a film again. He loves that he can find everything he wants.

A week ago a footballer was dating a porn star. It was i n the newspaper. He said she is a babe. He typed her name in and all the google libkis were to tube sites. He is very happy. Like most people he DOES NOT want to save the vids to his pc. He wants to watch them one. If he wants to watch them again he can just go back to the site. But as he says there is soooo much on porn tubes that he cannot see it all.

You have to think like a thief to catch a thief.

The logic of putting adverts at the start, middle, end is that they then can be uploaded to a tube site and seen by millions.

So just think what one film would be worth to advertise on. Say it gets 1 million hits on 1 tube. Times this by all the porn tubes. Plus all the downloads from your site, plus all the film sharing sites. Your film could be seen by millions of people. To me thats worth somthing.Of course its finding who to advertise on it.

This film will be on the net and shared till the end of time.

To me this method should make a site far more money then selling membership.

An example is that I have been downloading very old radio shows (usa ones such as 'farther knows best'). These have adverts in the show. Often for cofee. But I am listerning to the adverts. So today the adverts that may have meant to be played only that day and now still being heard 50 years or so later. That advertiser must be very happy as he now has realy got his money worth. And in 500 years that show may still being listened to on the net.

I can honestly say I rarely, I rarely paid any attention to DVTimes before this week.

Now I can see why there is all of this hatred for this guy on GFY in the past. Before now, I simply never understood it. But I will admit, I really just ignored him and paid him little mind until recently, so that could be part of it.

I will say, I can now better understand those threads in the past. It's like talking to a brick wall of ignorance.

:2 cents:

Today the model is free.

A lot of dating sites are now free. But make money from charging for extras, such as they limit free to the nomber of contacts each day. Pay often lets people chat to more.

Webcams are now free. But charge for tips. Models play this the best way they can to get more hits. Some also have banners on the camsite to promote other sites.

Porn tubes are free.

facebook and twiiter are free. that may sound silly for me to say, but in the uk we had friendsreunited that charged everybody to join. its died due to that. though i think today its now free.

google is free. but makes money from adverts.

So why not porn paysites to be free? the key is to work out how to make money from free.

How odd.

You atack me for making some perfectly good arguments. I have not seen anthing you have posted to put forward a rebuff to my comments.

Its rather sad that the only comments you can give are personal insults.

Weather I am liked or not (not that i care if i am or not from totall stragers) is rather irrelivent.

Please stick to the arguments/sugestions made or we will just turn this thread into a rather pointless and childish thread of insults.

I believe it's called a rhetorical general observation of DVTimes, and past threads. Not personal insults.

I am not here to win a metal for the British debate club to play point, counter point, with someone who has too much free time on their hands. I made a general observation about you. It was far from me flinging personal insults at you.

Perhaps you need to spend some time away from GFY to realize the difference.

:2 cents: