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GrantMercury 09-17-2012 02:39 PM

The Romney campaign is in trouble.
 
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There are two sure signs a campaign is in trouble. The first is that it begins changing its strategy rapidly and erratically. The second is that it begins attacking its strategists fiercely and anonymously.

The Romney campaign is in trouble.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...y-to-save-him/

https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/im...tsPK83aov8YYAe

nextri 09-17-2012 02:43 PM

It's been a pathetic campaign so far..

SmutHammer 09-17-2012 02:49 PM

Good for him his opponent is one of the worst presidents in history. :thumbsup

Black All Through 09-17-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 19195168)
Good for him his opponent is one of the worst presidents in history. :thumbsup

I wouldn't say one of the worst presidents in history, I will say a president in one of the worst moments of the global economy. I think he's a good man and that he's working for the interest of the American people a lot more than other presidents have done in the past.

Romney never stood a chance from the very start, the convention was a fiasco, his wife fucked shit up for him in 30 minutes than he did in 17 months of campaigning. His running mate is some fool and they both have no clue on what foreign policy is. Both stated that Russia is the enemy and made a complete fool of themselves. This failed campaign reminds me of the one ran by John Kerry, that chose a fool for running mate.

At the end Obama will take the white house once again and I'm pretty much sure by a 7 to 10 point lead.

DavieVegas 09-17-2012 03:05 PM

YUp def one of the worst. This race will still be very close. Obama is not a sure win by any means. Just a shame there is no better candidates to run vs Obama. That is the reason the guy wins in the first place.

Rochard 09-17-2012 03:48 PM

First thing this morning was a news report about Romney's new TV spots which claimed the average family income was down from four years ago. This is more of the same from Romney trying to pin the economy on Obama; It didn't work two months ago and it's not going to work now. They keep harping on the economy which points right back to the Republican party. Combined with the fact that Romney hasn't told us about his plans to fix anything without being rather vague, well, I don't see him as gaining any ground.

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Originally Posted by Black All Through (Post 19195206)
I wouldn't say one of the worst presidents in history, I will say a president in one of the worst moments of the global economy. I think he's a good man and that he's working for the interest of the American people a lot more than other presidents have done in the past.

I agree - people seem to think that this is something that can be fixed in four years. This isn't a four or even an eight year problem - it's a ten or fifteen year problem.

And I also believe that all presidents do their very best. Some just do betters than others.

Relentless 09-17-2012 03:53 PM

He is the ONLY thing keeping Obama in the white house.
Much the same way only Kerry could have lost to Bush

Kiopa_Matt 09-17-2012 03:58 PM

Jeb Bush 2016!!!

heh, that's what will probably happen to. By then, Obama has 8 years in office, various policies have started to kick-in, economy will be picking up steam again, and then Republicans will try to take credit for it. "see, we voted Bush in, and look... 3 months later, the economy is doing great again!".

MaDalton 09-17-2012 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt (Post 19195314)
Jeb Bush 2016!!!

heh, that's what will probably happen to. By then, Obama has 8 years in office, various policies have started to kick-in, economy will be picking up steam again, and then Republicans will try to take credit for it. "see, we voted Bush in, and look... 3 months later, the economy is doing great again!".

you should bookmark this thread :winkwink:

meanguy7 09-17-2012 04:03 PM

Posting an Ezra Klein piece that uses unnamed sources to prove a point? Good luck with that!
To those of you that try to defend Obama by saying that he inherited all of this, did you forget that Obama ran in '08 by saying he had all the answers? He stood at the fucking podium, time and time again, stating the facts about how bad everything was! He was elected because he claimed he could fix things! Now the excuse is things were real bad? Give me a fucking break!! Man up and say things are fucked up and my ideas haven't worked. Here are my new ideas... That would get my vote! He is just promising four more years of the same shit that hasn't worked for four years! Wake up!

DudeRick 09-17-2012 04:06 PM

Don't hold your breath! :winkwink:

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Bill8 09-17-2012 04:10 PM

you republicans picked romney.

you are to blame for this.

you fielded a bunch of bufoons for the election, and the least objectionable bufoon was your pick.

every bit of this is your fault.

Bill8 09-17-2012 04:13 PM

as a corollary to my last point.

you republicans let the tea party fuck you up the ass with it's immature redneck crybaby tantrums.

again, entirely your fault.

man up and craft a party with an intellegent and mature philosophy and policy.

endless whining and teenage-level arguments and positions does nobody any good.

DWB 09-17-2012 04:23 PM

Romney is being sacrificed anyway. They are going to let Obama stay in for four more years because that is when the biggest depression we've ever seen is probably going to hit, possibly along with a total currency crash. Then come 2016 Americans, dumb as they are, will beg for a republican - probably a Bush - to take office as if he can actually fix their problems, when in fact it will be more of the same.

Yawn. You monkeys get the government you deserve.

2MuchMark 09-17-2012 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 19195168)
Good for him his opponent is one of the worst presidents in history. :thumbsup

Why do you say that?

DudeRick 09-17-2012 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19195366)
Why do you say that?

Because he's the worst president in history... :disgust

sandman! 09-17-2012 04:37 PM

both choices suck :2 cents::2 cents:

Rochard 09-17-2012 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19195363)
Romney is being sacrificed anyway. They are going to let Obama stay in for four more years because that is when the biggest depression we've ever seen is probably going to hit, possibly along with a total currency crash. Then come 2016 Americans, dumb as they are, will beg for a republican - probably a Bush - to take office as if he can actually fix their problems, when in fact it will be more of the same.

Yawn. You monkeys get the government you deserve.

This is exactly what I think happened. I think McCain / Palin was nothing more than a sacrifice too - they threw it away.

Let's face it, no matter what... Things will get better, no matter who was in office. They couldn't get much worse. All Obama had to do was avoid a major scandal and he could write his own ticket for a second term.

Rochard 09-17-2012 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt (Post 19195314)
Jeb Bush 2016!!!

heh, that's what will probably happen to. By then, Obama has 8 years in office, various policies have started to kick-in, economy will be picking up steam again, and then Republicans will try to take credit for it. "see, we voted Bush in, and look... 3 months later, the economy is doing great again!".

But this is completely wrong. We are no longer picking proper candidates, but instead picking the next President based on half truths and lies.

Is it really fair to say that Bush and by extension the Republican party caused this? I honestly don't believe so (although I myself have said this on GFY). I believe this recession would have happened no matter who was in office. This was caused by the people and our greed, and now we want to point fingers at everyone else.

Kiopa_Matt 09-17-2012 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19195409)
Is it really fair to say that Bush and by extension the Republican party caused this? I honestly don't believe so (although I myself have said this on GFY). I believe this recession would have happened no matter who was in office. This was caused by the people and our greed, and now we want to point fingers at everyone else.

It has everything to do with the people in power, and the law makers. I'm not going to say it was completely Bush's fault, but he definitely helped the process along by deregulating everything, helping pass laws that conformed to his rich buddies' interests, etc.

For example, take the 2008 crisis. If that should have devastated another economy, it should have been Canada's, due to our close ties. It didn't though. It hurt Canada's economy, but nowhere near on the scale as what it did to the US. And that's because Canada has a heavily regulated financial industry.

So yes, it can be easily blamed on whoever is in power, and writing the laws.

DTK 09-17-2012 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19195366)
Why do you say that?

Because Fakes News and the radio screamers said so.

DTK 09-17-2012 05:19 PM

I watched most of the Republican convention, and all the major speakers were auditioning for 2016. They were all like "I'm so great, I'm so great. Thank you, and btw, vote for mitt romney."

PornMD 09-17-2012 05:47 PM

It's amazing with how much money Romney has raised just how badly he is doing. All that money may as well have been set on fire. Which is of course what makes this whole process sickening - all the wasted money going towards campaigns when that hundreds of millions could actually be put towards something more than just temp political jobs, campaign swag n whatnot.

DTK 09-17-2012 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PornMD (Post 19195515)
It's amazing with how much money Romney has raised just how badly he is doing. All that money may as well have been set on fire. Which is of course what makes this whole process sickening - all the wasted money going towards campaigns when that hundreds of millions could actually be put towards something more than just temp political jobs, campaign swag n whatnot.

Publicly Funded Elections

Rochard 09-17-2012 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt (Post 19195419)
It has everything to do with the people in power, and the law makers. I'm not going to say it was completely Bush's fault, but he definitely helped the process along by deregulating everything, helping pass laws that conformed to his rich buddies' interests, etc.

For example, take the 2008 crisis. If that should have devastated another economy, it should have been Canada's, due to our close ties. It didn't though. It hurt Canada's economy, but nowhere near on the scale as what it did to the US. And that's because Canada has a heavily regulated financial industry.

So yes, it can be easily blamed on whoever is in power, and writing the laws.

Yes, but... And I can't believe I'm defending Bush... Holding Bush responsable isn't fair to him. Did he help the problem with deregulating everything? Yes. But so did all of Congress.

I still believe the American public is largely responsable. I laughed all the way to the bank when the value of my rather average house doubled in three years. That was a joke. In the back of our heads we all knew what was happening - The value of houses were over inflated, we were taking out money against our houses, and inflating the general economy by buying stuff and spending money that we didn't really have.

DTK 09-17-2012 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19195539)
I still believe the American public is largely responsable.

Disagree strongly on this point. It's true there were people who went into these loans with no intention of paying them.

However,
  • It's the banks who created the game.
  • It's the banks who were paying 3x the commission on BS loans than they were paying on normal loans, which fueled TONS of predatory lending.
  • It's the banks who were selling these crap mortgages to counterparties while at the same time placing huge bets against these loans, and not disclosing their adverse position (which is illegal).
  • It's the banks who were telling their customers (other large banks, pension funds etc) that these were rock solid investments while calling them "pieces of crap" in their internal emails.

They knew they were committing massive fraud.

DTK 09-17-2012 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt (Post 19195419)
For example, take the 2008 crisis. If that should have devastated another economy, it should have been Canada's, due to our close ties. It didn't though. It hurt Canada's economy, but nowhere near on the scale as what it did to the US. And that's because Canada has a heavily regulated financial industry.

I see where you're coming from, but it's really not an accurate comparison.

The reason it didn't crush Canada's economy is that CA didn't have direct exposure to the bullshit that was happening here. The subprime risk exposure was right here in the US. Canada's banks never jumped into the Festival of Fraud, thus they stayed fairly stable while we burned to the ground.

BTW, i think it's a tribute to Canada's financial governance that they stayed out of this shit. Unlike the US, Canada's government hasn't whored out its country to huge money interests.

Kiopa_Matt 09-17-2012 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19195593)
The reason it didn't crush Canada's economy is that CA didn't have direct exposure to the bullshit that was happening here. The subprime risk exposure was right here in the US. Canada's banks never jumped into the Festival of Fraud, thus they stayed fairly stable while we burned to the ground.

Right, because it's illegal for Canadian banks to dish out $200k mortgages with no deposit based on leverage to people who work at KFC.

Again, it's totally up to who's writing the laws. You can't solely blame Bush, but his administration was very much for the philosophy of deregulation, which created this mess. Obama on the other hand is the opposite side of the spectrum, so I have no problem with him being in power for another 4 years.

People bitch, but like it or not, the US economy is on the incline. Maybe not as fast as people would like, but it is headed in the right direction. Besides, when you wipe out the world's largest economies' manufacturing industry, it's going to hurt, and isn't going to resolve itself in a few months.

I'm happy with Obama in there, and hope the economy and middle class continue growing. The larger the US middle class = more customers for me.

bronco67 09-17-2012 07:25 PM

This motherfucker is the gift that keeps on giving.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ark/57797246/1

There's only one thing this turd of human being cares about, and that's being Mr President to cement his legacy. I can smell him like a fart in car, and I feel sorry for anyone who is not able to see through pond scum like this. He's lower than dogshit on my Adidas.

DTK 09-17-2012 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt (Post 19195621)
Again, it's totally up to who's writing the laws. You can't solely blame Bush, but his administration was very much for the philosophy of deregulation, which created this mess. Obama on the other hand is the opposite side of the spectrum, so I have no problem with him being in power for another 4 years.

We're mostly agreeing here, but to say Obama's on the opposite side of the spectrum would be inaccurate. If you look at his actual record (not the ficticious record the right-wing screamers made up lol), you'll see a business-friendly centrist.

If he was really on the opposite side of the spectrum, we would have already seen criminal prosecutions of numerous high-level executives. Plenty of other examples, but there ya go.

And yeah, you can't totally blame Bush or any other president. Clinton signed the piece of paper that repealed Glass-Steagall (under huge pressure from the banks).

This stuff is above politics. The US has been being whored out in a bipartisan fashion for 35 years.

ThunderBalls 09-17-2012 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeRick (Post 19195390)
Because he's the worst president in history... :disgust


Another teabagger who doesn't remember anything that took place before January 2009.

DTK 09-17-2012 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 19195703)
Another teabagger who doesn't remember anything that took place before January 2009.

He's in the right-wing 'news' bubble. They started blaming Obama for the mess the instant he took office and made no mention of how we got there. And their dupes bought it hook, line and sinker.

buzzard 09-17-2012 09:33 PM

The only valid purpose of government is protection of individual rights.

Voting is the way to make sure you never get what you need :2 cents:

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Joshua G 09-17-2012 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19195363)
Romney is being sacrificed anyway. They are going to let Obama stay in for four more years because that is when the biggest depression we've ever seen is probably going to hit, possibly along with a total currency crash. Then come 2016 Americans, dumb as they are, will beg for a republican - probably a Bush - to take office as if he can actually fix their problems, when in fact it will be more of the same.

Yawn. You monkeys get the government you deserve.

romney is no sacrifice, & neither was 2008, & nobody let obama win. fact is, mccain & romney were the least worst options from a field of awful human beings coming out of republican leadership. whose gonna run in 16 that will be any better. dems got the white house locked up for the next 12 years with the crap coming out of the right.

BFT3K 09-17-2012 10:11 PM

Check it out - Mittens even outsources his own campaign!



https://youtube.com/watch?v=P7i7zVRFKSA

Paul Markham 09-17-2012 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 19195168)
Good for him his opponent is one of the worst presidents in history. :thumbsup

Why?

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19195897&postcount=36

2012 09-17-2012 11:31 PM

i think you're right , we have a very serious situation here. too bad nobody knows what it is

Mr Pheer 09-17-2012 11:40 PM

I hope the Republican party is happy with their candidate.

Bill8 09-18-2012 04:14 AM

days ago Ritholtz had this

GOP Sours on Romney

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Romney looks like he?s toast. Which means four more years of more or less the same crap we?ve seen. Great for big banks?Michael Lewis has a piece out where he talks about how no one realizes just how good Obama (and he really means Geithner) were to Wall Street. Did you ever read that Lawrence Baxter piece I sent you? You should. Terrible title, but goes into detail on Obama doubling down on even bigger banks. ?Betting Big: Value, Caution and Accountability in an Era of Large Banks and Complex Finance,? 31 Rev. Banking & Fin. L. XXX (Oct. 2012))

Republicans are up in arms about QE whatever. The big complaint seems to be that it may actually make things better. Funny part is imagining what Romney would want if he were president; surely he wouldn?t want the Fed choking off his recovery by tightening up. (Bit that no one picked up on: Hubbard talking about how great a job Bernanke had done and was doing, only to have Romney turn around a week later and say no way would he reappoint Bernanke as Fed chairman. Either the campaign is clueless and disorganized, or Romney really will say anything to be president.)

Some articles today talked about how Wall Street was starting to have second thoughts about a candidate who wants to turn off the spigot
his republican readers callled the WWWWWWWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH-mbulance - he said

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the post was validated the next morning by Politico, whose discussion of infighting, leaking, and disdain for Romney in an article Inside the campaign: How Mitt Romney stumbled, was the talk of DC. (We haven?t even seen the fall out of the leaked video, shown here).

This campaign just got a lot more interesting.

Last, a few questions came up on the polling data. I have found most of the polling data across the board to be mediocre, so I instead rely on 2 different sets of polls: 1) Real Clear Politics All Polls; and 2) Nate Silver?s 538. RCP is a composite of ALL the polls, and so theoretically shows all denominations; 538 was the most accurate pollster the past few elections.
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/09...liers-discuss/

finally the "mainstream" catches on...

What's behind Mitt's meltdown

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(CNN) -- For students of journalistic feeding frenzies in presidential politics, the Romney campaign-meltdown story merits close study.

The first striking feature is that the flashpoint story that pulled together his missteps -- the bungled foreign trip, his lackluster convention, his widely denounced response to the Libya carnage, to name a few -- appeared in the new media. It was on the Politico website Sunday under the headline "Inside the Campaign: How Mitt Stumbled," rather than in mainstream newspapers or on the networks' evening news shows, the traditional pacesetters in campaign coverage.
this is all your fault, republicans - history could not have given you a better chance to kick out that uncle tom, but no, you picked romney, possibly the worst republican candidate ever.

spazlabz 09-18-2012 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19195530)
Publicly Funded Elections

+1
Amend the filibuster rules to force either party using it to pull a Jimmy Stewart


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