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Barefootsies 04-05-2013 05:51 AM

Microsoft Obsolete by 2017
 
"The only constant is change".... :(

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Not so long ago Microsoft (MSFT) was the undisputed king of technology, controlling about 90% of the market for operating systems. But as demand moved from desktops to laptops and then to tablets and smartphones, Microsoft lost its market reign to Google (GOOG) and Apple (AAPL).

A report released today by Gartner, the technology research and advisory firm, forecasts that by 2017 shipments of devices using Google?s Android operating system will dwarf shipments of Windows PCs and phones. Shipments of Apple iPhones and iPads will be almost at parity with devices powered by Microsoft.

?Microsoft could be completely irrelevant in three or four years if they can?t make headway in the smartphone or tablet market, where they?ve been struggling,? says The Daily Ticker's Henry Blodget.
FULL STORY

Manfap 04-05-2013 06:11 AM

Very late getting into gaming.. but xbox is massive. They´ll get it right with a product again soon.

purecane 04-05-2013 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Manfap (Post 19563995)
Very late getting into gaming.. but xbox is massive. They´ll get it right with a product again soon.

I agree...they have the capitol to hire the best and brightest.

ilnjscb 04-05-2013 07:04 AM

3.2.1 til someone comes in and says "but dude, they OWN the business market"

No one has forgotten how heavy handed they were with business in the 90s and early 2000. Right now they are thanking the gods that goog and aapl are fighting.

Remember when MS has the biggest pile of cash?

now:

Four months in: Windows 8 adoption is almost at a standstill

wehateporn 04-05-2013 07:11 AM

Bill Gates is currently more concerned about poisoning children in the Third World.

Supz 04-05-2013 07:12 AM

This might be possible for home users. Microsoft owns the desktop in the corporate world. Active Directory / Exchange isn't really going anywhere. No one else offers user control / group policy etc. Even corporations who use google mail still connect it to there active directory server.

tony286 04-05-2013 07:18 AM

You can say what you want but they do own the business market. Unless you go into a graphics firm or video production house. Its all windows. Whats going to happen is windows 9 will fix all the mistakes they made.
I think phones and tablets will replace pcs in homes for the casual surfer. Going to my parents house all the time to fix computer issues from the printer doesnt work to tons of malware and viruses. For people like them who check email and read an article or two. The ipad with a keyboard would be perfect. Or my cousin all he uses now is his phone.

Webmaster Advertising 04-05-2013 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19564071)
Bill Gates is currently more concerned about poisoning children in the Third World.

He needs to hurry the fuck up and get it done, he could kill millions with all his money :thumbsup

wehateporn 04-05-2013 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Webmaster Advertising (Post 19564092)
He needs to hurry the fuck up and get it done, he could kill millions with all his money :thumbsup

:1orglaugh

96ukssob 04-05-2013 08:59 AM

M$ needs to get on the ball with things. They have been slacking in the evolving space of mobile and tablet for sometime now.

They need to suck it up and put the big swinging dick of Nokia in their mouth and join forces in the mobile tablet space. Neither one of these two giants do shit right now but have the potential to do so.

M$ could crush Google and Apple if they out their minds to it, but instead of evolving they are trying to compete in a space where they are destined to lose!

Grapesoda 04-05-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19563977)
"The only constant is change".... :(



FULL STORY

you don't think the gov will break goggle apart by that point?

Kephael 04-05-2013 10:02 AM

The only mainstream product from Microsoft that is really any good is their office suite. But since the economy sucks the only people who are buying it are those who need it for work and students. Does anyone here use Server 2012 or any of their other overpriced enterprise products? It seems open source alternatives in those spaces are much better, I'd pay for CentOS/RHEL before I ever bought Windows Server. I've seen some large corporations use products like Lync but that's most likely because they want support and don't know about alternatives like Jabber.

sandman! 04-05-2013 10:12 AM

almost every small 5-30 employe company i know of here locally has a windows server and half of them have exchange also.




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Originally Posted by Kephael (Post 19564366)
The only mainstream product from Microsoft that is really any good is their office suite. But since the economy sucks the only people who are buying it are those who need it for work and students. Does anyone here use Server 2012 or any of their other overpriced enterprise products? It seems open source alternatives in those spaces are much better, I'd pay for CentOS/RHEL before I ever bought Windows Server. I've seen some large corporations use products like Lync but that's most likely because they want support and don't know about alternatives like Jabber.


Fetish Gimp 04-05-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19564071)
Bill Gates is currently more concerned about poisoning children in the Third World.

Considering he hasn't run Microsoft since 2008 he had to find some way to fill up his day.

geedub 04-05-2013 10:37 AM

There is a lot more to Microsoft than xbox and Windows... They are doing just fine.

Supz 04-05-2013 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kephael (Post 19564366)
The only mainstream product from Microsoft that is really any good is their office suite. But since the economy sucks the only people who are buying it are those who need it for work and students. Does anyone here use Server 2012 or any of their other overpriced enterprise products? It seems open source alternatives in those spaces are much better, I'd pay for CentOS/RHEL before I ever bought Windows Server. I've seen some large corporations use products like Lync but that's most likely because they want support and don't know about alternatives like Jabber.

I am sure the bigger companies do. People do not really use Windows Server to run websites. They do it because they have it for other things. But almost every corporation in American has plenty of Windows Server licenses. How do you think they manage there user accounts? How do you think they run accounting applications? How do you think CRM's are run? All on Windows Server machines. As I said. I am sure some of the larger companies in adult have in-house windows servers running these kind of applications. But in corporate america, this is all that is used. Unix only exists for trading platforms and high-latency stuff. But most business applications run off of windows. They sell plenty. I probably sold 500+ windows server licenses myself last year. There is also Microsoft Exchange. Pretty much the only mail server used in corporate america. If you are a hospital or a bank and you have to conform with some kind of compliance. They have to do email archiving etc. This is all Microsoft Exchange. Then there are people who use Terminal Services for remote workers, and anyone who is running Citrix, which is millions of companies, have to have windows servers with terminal services licensing. They sell plenty . They are out there, and in corporate america they are the 800 lb gorilla.

johnnyloadproductions 04-05-2013 11:04 AM

Hence, learn Objective C and Java, forget about C# or ASP.net

PornMD 04-05-2013 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 19564059)
3.2.1 til someone comes in and says "but dude, they OWN the business market"

No one has forgotten how heavy handed they were with business in the 90s and early 2000. Right now they are thanking the gods that goog and aapl are fighting.

Remember when MS has the biggest pile of cash?

now:

Four months in: Windows 8 adoption is almost at a standstill

Holy fuck @ XP being at 38.99%. Nearly 2/5 are using an operating system that came out 11 and a half years ago?

WarChild 04-05-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19564071)
Bill Gates is currently more concerned about poisoning children in the Third World.

I mean it only makes sense he'd be trying to kill people off on a Continent with some of the very worst infant mortality and life expectancy rates. :1orglaugh

What's even funnier is that you actually think you're smarter and more informed than the average person and never once questioned the fact that you're a failure in all things life related. :1orglaugh

PR_Glen 04-05-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19564071)
Bill Gates is currently more concerned about poisoning children in the Third World.

more lies from the village idiot/psychopath

Herb Kornfield 04-05-2013 03:06 PM

Exchange, Active Directory and SQL are here to stay for a very long time.

so is excel, PPT, Word and IE ...

My Mainstream IT consulting practice sees these all day long.... and we support them all day long... same for Cisco, netapp, vmware, and AT&T ...

Corporate America is going to be on windows long after all of us here are gone.

wehateporn 04-05-2013 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19564504)
more lies from the village idiot/psychopath

You really should block me, my posts give you nightmares :1orglaugh

Researchers reported:

"?while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere [First, do no harm] was violated."

MaDalton 04-05-2013 03:48 PM

i run Windows 2011 SBS at the office - and the million of companies that run on Windows architecture will continue to do so for a long time

IBM also once used to be in the consumer market with desktop PCs and DOS - now as B2B only company they're still doing fine

But MS clearly has lost its touch with consumers

Best-In-BC 04-05-2013 03:53 PM

Yeah Right, Microsoft Rains Supreme :D

2012 04-05-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19564504)
more lies

some interesting facts:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7MH2LJ20111117

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7MH2LJ20111117

http://www.gavialliance.org/library/...i-fact-sheets/

http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTE...K:4607,00.html

wehateporn 04-05-2013 04:34 PM


Good links :thumbsup:thumbsup

ilnjscb 04-05-2013 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 19564059)
3.2.1 til someone comes in and says "but dude, they OWN the business market"

No one has forgotten how heavy handed they were with business in the 90s and early 2000. Right now they are thanking the gods that goog and aapl are fighting.

Remember when MS has the biggest pile of cash?

now:

Four months in: Windows 8 adoption is almost at a standstill

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Originally Posted by Supz (Post 19564074)
This might be possible for home users. Microsoft owns the desktop in the corporate world. Active Directory / Exchange isn't really going anywhere. No one else offers user control / group policy etc. Even corporations who use google mail still connect it to there active directory server.

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19564081)
You can say what you want but they do own the business market. Unless you go into a graphics firm or video production house. Its all windows. Whats going to happen is windows 9 will fix all the mistakes they made.
I think phones and tablets will replace pcs in homes for the casual surfer. Going to my parents house all the time to fix computer issues from the printer doesnt work to tons of malware and viruses. For people like them who check email and read an article or two. The ipad with a keyboard would be perfect. Or my cousin all he uses now is his phone.

hahaha did I call it or what? What they own is a captive business consumer that they have treated like a red-headed slave girl for the last 20 years. The split second there is a viable alternative, 1/3 of biz will bolt. MS dominance is predicated upon the perception of power. If they seem vulnerable that will fall by the wayside.

EddyTheDog 04-05-2013 08:41 PM

Doh - and I had just reged windows2018.com....

JK. - I haven't really...

Supz 04-05-2013 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 19564897)
hahaha did I call it or what? What they own is a captive business consumer that they have treated like a red-headed slave girl for the last 20 years. The split second there is a viable alternative, 1/3 of biz will bolt. MS dominance is predicated upon the perception of power. If they seem vulnerable that will fall by the wayside.



'as soon as there is a viable alternative' It will take the same 20 years to develop competitive products. If you actually believe that somehow they are going somewhere. You are completely lost and know nothing about corporate network infrastructure. What you are saying is similar to saying Netgear is going to take out Cisco.

Mike Honcho 04-05-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19563977)
says The Daily Ticker's Henry Blodget.


LOL. STFU. You sir are an idiot

Supz 04-05-2013 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Herb Kornfield (Post 19564665)
Exchange, Active Directory and SQL are here to stay for a very long time.

so is excel, PPT, Word and IE ...

My Mainstream IT consulting practice sees these all day long.... and we support them all day long... same for Cisco, netapp, vmware, and AT&T ...

Corporate America is going to be on windows long after all of us here are gone.

Atleast someone here knows what they are talking about.

Dont forget EMC :)

epitome 04-05-2013 09:06 PM

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epitome 04-05-2013 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Herb Kornfield (Post 19564665)
Exchange, Active Directory and SQL are here to stay for a very long time.

so is excel, PPT, Word and IE ...

My Mainstream IT consulting practice sees these all day long.... and we support them all day long... same for Cisco, netapp, vmware, and AT&T ...

Corporate America is going to be on windows long after all of us here are gone.

:2 cents:

Never mind the fact that there is still a ton of money in corporate.

Microsoft is staking its claim in cloud hosting... DuPont now uses their hosted exchange service... we're talking $15+ per user, per month. Do the math at 50,000+ users. One company.

Supz 04-05-2013 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19564940)
:2 cents:

Never mind the fact that there is still a ton of money in corporate.

Microsoft is staking its claim in cloud hosting... DuPont now uses their hosted exchange service... we're talking $15+ per user, per month. Do the math at 50,000+ users. One company.

Microsoft office 365 is killing it right now, Hosted Exchange, Hosted Office. Hosted Lync etc...

EddyTheDog 04-05-2013 09:28 PM

MS was late to the game on most things - Remember what happened with IE/Netscape?

They didn't think the WWW would take off - lol....

Google have a reputation for coming late to the table as well - Not done them any harm either....

epitome 04-06-2013 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Supz (Post 19564949)
Microsoft office 365 is killing it right now, Hosted Exchange, Hosted Office. Hosted Lync etc...

It's actually brilliant. While a lot of other people made money servicing Microsoft users they now do it themselves in house and charge for it on a recurring basis. You know they have to be running on healthy margins.

Edit: the messaging and telephony integration they're doing with exchange and Lync is awesome. They got it all right. Everybody is plugged in.

Supz 04-06-2013 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19565074)
It's actually brilliant. While a lot of other people made money servicing Microsoft users they now do it themselves in house and charge for it on a recurring basis. You know they have to be running on healthy margins.

Edit: the messaging and telephony integration they're doing with exchange and Lync is awesome. They got it all right. Everybody is plugged in.

Yea. Most people here dont have any need for these technologies so dont know much about it. Ive been selling Lync to companies for the last 2.5 years. It has been a very hot topic in the corporate tech world for some time now. It is a very good product, both hosted and on premise.

ilnjscb 04-06-2013 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Supz (Post 19564928)
'as soon as there is a viable alternative' It will take the same 20 years to develop competitive products. If you actually believe that somehow they are going somewhere. You are completely lost and know nothing about corporate network infrastructure. What you are saying is similar to saying Netgear is going to take out Cisco.

And I suppose you do? My friend, I know quite a bit about corporate infrastructure, and in many different segments. Your speculation demonstrates that you have very little experience with the people who actually make decisions.

MS has many good products, but did you buy the stock, say, 10 years ago when it was exactly where it is today? In april 2003 it was at 24, and, why, bless me! today it is at 26. I guess none of the market knows the secrets only you know, just like me.

epitome 04-06-2013 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 19565844)
And I suppose you do? My friend, I know quite a bit about corporate infrastructure, and in many different segments. Your speculation demonstrates that you have very little experience with the people who actually make decisions.

MS has many good products, but did you buy the stock, say, 10 years ago when it was exactly where it is today? In april 2003 it was at 24, and, why, bless me! today it is at 26. I guess none of the market knows the secrets only you know, just like me.

So they are to be penalized for their stability? The stock has split 9 times and in 2003 they decided to start paying dividends instead which is why it's remained consistent.

Supz 04-06-2013 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 19565844)
And I suppose you do? My friend, I know quite a bit about corporate infrastructure, and in many different segments. Your speculation demonstrates that you have very little experience with the people who actually make decisions.

MS has many good products, but did you buy the stock, say, 10 years ago when it was exactly where it is today? In april 2003 it was at 24, and, why, bless me! today it is at 26. I guess none of the market knows the secrets only you know, just like me.

I am not speculating. You are. I have been selling corporate infrastructures for over 7 years. Prior to that I was a Unix systems administrator for Xo Communications. I have certifications in Cisco, Vmware, Citrix, Emc and a few other small vendors like Barracuda Networks. I would say I qualify....what does the price of the stock have to do with the conversation? Cisco stock i at 20. They are a market leader in many categories. There stock has been hovering around 20 forever. Are you saying Cisco is going out of business? Please....go do some research.


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