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wehateporn 10-22-2013 03:09 AM

Journalists Speak Out About Mainstream Lies and Censorship
 

Seymour Hersh (formerly with the New York Times) ?We lie about everything, lying has become the staple.?

Paul Craig Roberts (served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, has been a regular columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and other mainstream publications) ?One of the worst things that ever happened (to America) was when President Clinton allowed five companies to concentrate the American media. That destroyed its independence. And ever since Clinton permitted that, which was totally against all American tradition, and totally against the antitrust law ... but in the United States, as we've seen, law doesn't mean anything anymore. The minute these five conglomerates concentrated the media, the independence of the media disappeared. It's no longer run by journalists, it's run by corporate advertising executives. The value of these media conglomerates resides in their federal broadcast licenses. And so they can't dare offend the government. Their licenses may not get renewed, and the entire multi-billion-dollar value of the companies would disappear. So, the so-called mainstream media is no longer the media. It doesn't tell you anything. It's a propaganda ministry - the Ministry of Propaganda. Gerald Celente calls them 'presstitutes.'

Sherwood Ross (award-winning journalist who has worked for the City News Bureau of Chicago, the Chicago Daily News, and for Reuters) ?It's very doubtful that Muslims were behind 9/11. Think about this for one minute: That President Bush's family had done business with the family of the man who allegedly made the terrorist attack, Osama Bin Laden. The Bin Laden family was actually on the board of Bush's oil company. How is it possible that of all the billions of families in the world, the one family that makes the attack on America has done business with the President of America. That sounds more like a favor than anything else. I don't think 9/11 was an Arab conspiracy or a Muslim conspiracy. I think it's an American conspiracy to overthrow the government of the United States and install what is becoming a police state, and also to advance the imperial ambitions of the United States, to swindle the Middle East out of their energy resources.?


Full story http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/10...pose-911-hoax/


AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 10-22-2013 03:39 AM

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I wonder if you can comprehend the irony in the fact that the article that you cited about Lies/Censorship was published by the Iranian government-funded Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting service, and the author of the article is a 911 Truther kook who writes for a right-wing extremist website. :helpme :1orglaugh :uhoh

:stoned

ADG

wehateporn 10-22-2013 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19843424)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Nv17tC7Don...oln-Quotes.jpg

I wonder if you can comprehend the irony in the fact that the article that you cited about Lies/Censorship was published by the Iranian government-funded Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting service, and the author of the article is a 911 Truther kook who writes for a right-wing extremist website. :helpme :1orglaugh :uhoh

:stoned

ADG

The OP is quotes from American journalists, so we don't need to bring Iran into this :2 cents:

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 10-22-2013 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19843437)

The OP is quotes from American journalists, so we don't need to bring Iran into this :2 cents:

Seymour Hirsch is a well-respected journalist, of which there is one quote right at the beginning of the article, no doubt to try and bring some credibility (transference) to the conspiracy kooks whom are also cited (a common conspiracy writing tactic), and who you somehow think belong in the same category as Seymour Hirsch (ahem, one of the writers that is cited in the article is dead).

Here is a quote from the dead conspiracy writer:

Quote:

?You don't see any serious questioning by the mainstream media. I thought one of the tip-offs that it was a put-up job was when a cameraman from a little weekly in Pennsylvania went to the site where this airliner had supposedly crashed (on 9/11). And he said, 'I didn't see any airliner. I saw a hole in the ground. I didn't see any bodies. I didn't see any luggage.' All right, maybe that guy just made this up. But I don't think so. I think he was just doing his job.

And then at the Pentagon, you had the claim that airliner hit it. But again, there was no wreckage. Reporters who worked in the Press Room at the Pentagon went out there on the lawn, and they couldn't see any airliner. So, over and over again, you have manufactured lies that the press largely is not reporting.?
No wreckage?!? :1orglaugh

Seriously, this is the kind of crap that makes you look incredibly dense. :2 cents:

Flight 93:

http://old.post-gazette.com/headline...rset0911p4.asp

http://old.post-gazette.com/headline...somersetp3.asp

A Flight 93 engine being unearthed:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ht93Engine.jpg

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In examining the wreckage, the only human body part he could see was part of a backbone. Miller later found and identified 1,500 pieces of human remains totaling about 600 pounds (272 kg), or eight percent of the total. The rest of the remains were consumed by the impact.
Pentagon 9/11 Conspiracy:

Snopes and others have thoroughly discredited the Pentagon 9/11 conspiracy theory which you cited as well:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp

You really should have your conspiracy club membership card revoked. :disgust

:stoned

ADG

arock10 10-22-2013 05:41 AM

Versus everyone else in the world speaking out against the conspiracy theory kooks media

L-Pink 10-22-2013 05:58 AM

I believe everything I read and I repeat it.

Markul 10-22-2013 06:00 AM

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dyna mo 10-22-2013 06:05 AM

journalists speaking out about lying is just like zuckerberf speakign out about privacy.










riiiiiiiiiiiight...............

wehateporn 10-22-2013 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19843473)
Seriously, this is the kind of crap that makes you look incredibly dense. :2 cents:

Snopes and others have thoroughly discredited the Pentagon 9/11 conspiracy theory which you cited as well:

Denial is not a river in Egypt, learn to use critical thinking rather than putting 100% of your trust in sites like Snopes :2 cents:


PR_Glen 10-22-2013 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19843510)
Denial is not a river in Egypt, learn to use critical thinking rather than putting 100% of your trust in sites like Snopes :2 cents:

you're struggling today, we can tell...

oppoten 10-22-2013 10:26 AM

the five families

_Richard_ 10-22-2013 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19843473)
Seymour Hirsch is a well-respected journalist, of which there is one quote right at the beginning of the article, no doubt to try and bring some credibility (transference) to the conspiracy kooks whom are also cited (a common conspiracy writing tactic), and who you somehow think belong in the same category as Seymour Hirsch (ahem, one of the writers that is cited in the article is dead).

Here is a quote from the dead conspiracy writer:



No wreckage?!? :1orglaugh

Seriously, this is the kind of crap that makes you look incredibly dense. :2 cents:

Flight 93:

http://old.post-gazette.com/headline...rset0911p4.asp

http://old.post-gazette.com/headline...somersetp3.asp

A Flight 93 engine being unearthed:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ht93Engine.jpg



Pentagon 9/11 Conspiracy:

Snopes and others have thoroughly discredited the Pentagon 9/11 conspiracy theory which you cited as well:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp

You really should have your conspiracy club membership card revoked. :disgust

:stoned

ADG

the site you're dead panning as uncredible, is running a breaking news story:

'BREAKING NEWS: RUSSIA BLAST TV: Six airborne troops killed in military site blast in northwest Russia'

that isn't in our news yet.

wehateporn 10-22-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19843518)
you're struggling today, we can tell...

I am patient Mr Glen, it can take years of chipping away at people's belief systems until they break free, as long as I can see things are moving in the right direction then I'm happy :thumbsup

I have turned many people anti-vaccine, but in most cases it took a minimum of 2 years



_Richard_ 10-22-2013 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19843925)
I am patient Mr Glen, it can take years of chipping away at people's belief systems until they break free, as long as I can see things are moving in the right direction then I'm happy :thumbsup

I have turned many people anti-vaccine, but in most cases it took a minimum of 2 years



hey about that anti vaccine thing.. know how the argument is 'we have been vaccinating for polio/measles for decades'?

when did we change that vaccine.. peeps before the.. 60s?.. were getting the scrape vaccine, and now..

The Porn Nerd 10-22-2013 10:37 AM

Full disclosure: I was a journalist for 15 years, working mostly in the entertainment biz (music, tv, movies) but also 'mainstream' investigative journalism (New York Times, New York magazine, GQ, Esquire, etc).

I got the fuck OUT at the end of the '90's because of what is being mentioned in this thread. "Journalism" is a fucking DISGRACE now and it makes me sick. The Supreme Court said it was ok for Fox News to lie (not tell the truth) so now there IS no more "truth" in the news. A disgrace.

Captain Kawaii 10-22-2013 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 19843933)
Full disclosure: I was a journalist for 15 years, working mostly in the entertainment biz (music, tv, movies) but also 'mainstream' investigative journalism (New York Times, New York magazine, GQ, Esquire, etc).

I got the fuck OUT at the end of the '90's because of what is being mentioned in this thread. "Journalism" is a fucking DISGRACE now and it makes me sick. The Supreme Court said it was ok for Fox News to lie (not tell the truth) so now there IS no more "truth" in the news. A disgrace.

We probably know each other in the real world. I bailed in mid 90's when my editor at a Boston Weekly suggested my opinions could be found in the New York Times. :1orglaugh

Journalism today? More fucked than Jenna Jameson.

_Richard_ 10-22-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 19843940)
We probably know each other in the real world. I bailed in mid 90's when my editor at a Boston Weekly suggested my opinions could be found in the New York Times. :1orglaugh

Journalism today? More fucked than Jenna Jameson.

i.. think it's terrible.. but any person i know who has 'made it' as a journalist, is a smoking hot 'unique' looking chick :1orglaugh

it's terrible! but yea, hard time feeling happy for em

theking 10-22-2013 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19843925)
I am patient Mr Glen, it can take years of chipping away at people's belief systems until they break free, as long as I can see things are moving in the right direction then I'm happy :thumbsup

I have turned many people anti-vaccine, but in most cases it took a minimum of 2 years



Pigshit. You are stupid...stupid...stupid.

_Richard_ 10-22-2013 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 19843947)
Pigshit. You are stupid...stupid...stupid.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-...b_2468343.html

sup

Vendzilla 10-22-2013 11:01 AM

Believe half of what you see
None of what you hear
Vote No, demand a recount
Tip your bartender heavy
and never ever date more than you can lift!
My words to live by

theking 10-22-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19843960)

Is there a point that you are attempting to make...if so state your point?

_Richard_ 10-22-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 19843968)
Is there a point that you are attempting to make...if so state your point?

i linked an article that has a court rewarding funds on autism that is definitely linked to vaccines.. look, you can tell:

Quote:

The government did not admit that vaccines caused autism, at least in one of the children. Both cases were "unpublished," meaning information is limited, and access to medical records and other exhibits is blocked. Much of the information presented here comes from documents found at the vaccine court website.
so unless your mindless drivel about pig poop and stupidity... funny projections, by the by, is about nothing at all.. the point is obviously documented evidence about something you're referring to as 'stupid'

theking 10-22-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19843974)
i linked an article that has a court rewarding funds on autism that is definitely linked to vaccines.. look, you can tell:



so unless your mindless drivel about pig poop and stupidity... funny projections, by the by, is about nothing at all.. the point is obviously documented evidence about something you're referring to as 'stupid'

I think that everyone with an IQ of 70 or above are aware that vaccines have harmed X number of people and have even killed x number of people.

I also think that everyone with an IQ of 70 or above is aware that vaccines have helped billions and billions of people and have saved x numbers of lives.

I took a flu shot this year...and have for all of the adult years of my life and I know that taking flu shots has killed people and who knows it might kill me some year. On the other hand I can't recall how many years it has been since I have had the flu...off hand I can't recall ever having had the flu.

So stupid...stupid...stupid...for discouraging people not to use vaccines...is applicable...and you are just as stupid but I have told you that more than once.

media 10-22-2013 02:10 PM

argh....

_Richard_ 10-22-2013 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 19844164)
I think that everyone with an IQ of 70 or above are aware that vaccines have harmed X number of people and have even killed x number of people.

I also think that everyone with an IQ of 70 or above is aware that vaccines have helped billions and billions of people and have saved x numbers of lives.

I took a flu shot this year...and have for all of the adult years of my life and I know that taking flu shots has killed people and who knows it might kill me some year. On the other hand I can't recall how many years it has been since I have had the flu...off hand I can't recall ever having had the flu.

So stupid...stupid...stupid...for discouraging people not to use vaccines...is applicable...and you are just as stupid but I have told you that more than once.

i think that anyone with an iq over 70 realizes yearly sacrifices to appease the gods have been around for some time.

The Porn Nerd 10-22-2013 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 19843940)
We probably know each other in the real world. I bailed in mid 90's when my editor at a Boston Weekly suggested my opinions could be found in the New York Times. :1orglaugh

Journalism today? More fucked than Jenna Jameson.

What, this isn't the real world? Damn that must be why everything is such a struggle, no perception of reality....:D

Maybe so, good people up in Boston. Surprising your editor had that viewpoint given it's Boston and all, but then maybe he was a Red Sox fan/Yankee hater. LOL

theking 10-22-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19844242)
i think that anyone with an iq over 70 realizes yearly sacrifices to appease the gods have been around for some time.

You are never worth the time...just to stupid...stupid...stupid...you are now dismissed.

wehateporn 10-22-2013 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19843932)
hey about that anti vaccine thing.. know how the argument is 'we have been vaccinating for polio/measles for decades'?

when did we change that vaccine.. peeps before the.. 60s?.. were getting the scrape vaccine, and now..

Everything explained here Richard


wehateporn 10-22-2013 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 19843933)
Full disclosure: I was a journalist for 15 years, working mostly in the entertainment biz (music, tv, movies) but also 'mainstream' investigative journalism (New York Times, New York magazine, GQ, Esquire, etc).

I got the fuck OUT at the end of the '90's because of what is being mentioned in this thread. "Journalism" is a fucking DISGRACE now and it makes me sick. The Supreme Court said it was ok for Fox News to lie (not tell the truth) so now there IS no more "truth" in the news. A disgrace.

Amazing to hear this The Porn Nerd, you know more than anyone here :thumbsup

_Richard_ 10-22-2013 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 19844306)
You are never worth the time...just to stupid...stupid...stupid...you are now dismissed.

just.. to.. what now?

you mean 'just too stupid'.. right?

cause to say i am stupid, while making a grammar error, would be shock and awe retarded.. right?

some people just don't have the experience.. but an old guy? gotta know that.. right?

Rochard 10-22-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19843510)
Denial is not a river in Egypt, learn to use critical thinking rather than putting 100% of your trust in sites like Snopes :2 cents:


But clearly we should put all of our trust into a gif that shows a perfectly sound structure crashing to the ground no reason. No need to accept facts such as fires, earthquakes, and debris from billions of tons of concrete and steel that most likely moved WTC7 off of it's foundation caused the building to fall.

arock10 10-22-2013 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19843925)
I am patient Mr Glen, it can take years of chipping away at people's belief systems until they break free, as long as I can see things are moving in the right direction then I'm happy :thumbsup

I have turned many people anti-vaccine, but in most cases it took a minimum of 2 years



Just think of all the children you are killing

wehateporn 10-22-2013 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 19844342)
Just think of all the children vaccines are killing

Fixed

8char

kane 10-22-2013 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19843925)
I am patient Mr Glen, it can take years of chipping away at people's belief systems until they break free, as long as I can see things are moving in the right direction then I'm happy :thumbsup

I have turned many people anti-vaccine, but in most cases it took a minimum of 2 years



Church goes anti-vaccine for its members. It leads to a measles outbreak among its members.

Anti-Vaccine movement leads to worst outbreak of whooping cough in 70 years.

While not a great source, this one is kind of fun. It shows some numbers about vaccines.

Measles invade US due to anti-vaccination movement.

Anti-vaccine family changes their stance after their son gets tetanus.

I'm not saying that every vaccine is perfect nor am I saying that there are not some risks, but it I think it is pretty clear that they benefit society as a whole.

wehateporn 10-22-2013 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19844326)
But clearly we should put all of our trust into a gif that shows a perfectly sound structure crashing to the ground no reason. No need to accept facts such as fires, earthquakes, and debris from billions of tons of concrete and steel that most likely moved WTC7 off of it's foundation caused the building to fall.

It wouldn't fall like that though

wehateporn 10-22-2013 03:29 PM

That's what the controlled media says, I used to believe this too, however the truth is quite the opposite. Vaccines are how the pharmaceuticals spread autoimmune diseases and allergies to increase profits.

Asthma comes from vaccines, MS, Epilepsy, Motor Neurone Disease, Non Hodgkin Lymphoma, Eczema, Cot Death, Muscle-Wasting Diseases, Narcolepsy, Diabetes Type 1, Juvenile Arthritis, Lupus, Leukemia, Regressive Autism etc etc. This is how the pharmaceuticals increase the size of their market, they want as many people on drugs for life. The pretext for injection is mostly a fairytale which doesn't hold together when analyzed critically

kane 10-22-2013 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19844360)
That's what the controlled media says, I used to believe this too, however the truth is quite the opposite. Vaccines are how the pharmaceuticals spread autoimmune diseases and allergies to increase profits.

Asthma comes from vaccines, MS, Epilepsy, Motor Neurone Disease, Non Hodgkin Lymphoma, Eczema, Cot Death, Muscle-Wasting Diseases, Narcolepsy, Diabetes Type 1, Juvenile Arthritis, Lupus, Leukemia, Regressive Autism etc etc. This is how the pharmaceuticals increase the size of their market, they want as many people on drugs for life. The pretext for injection is mostly a fairytale which doesn't hold together when analyzed critically

Would you happen to have any documented reliable proof of these claims?

arock10 10-22-2013 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19844346)
Fixed

8char

It sure sucks that we have all these massive outbreaks of smallpox these days

arock10 10-22-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19844369)
Would you happen to have any documented reliable proof of these claims?

Yea his fridge told him.

wehateporn 10-22-2013 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19844369)
Would you happen to have any documented reliable proof of these claims?


I've found proof of all that I say, I've spent an insane amount of time going through studies

Start with this - Hib vaccine is causing Diabetes Type 1

Why is there a 6-fold gradient increase over the border of Russia/Finland for Diabetes Type 1? Russia has an incredibly low rate of Diabetes Type 1.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15902849

Well, we do know that vaccines cause autoimmune diseases, so could it be a vaccine?

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:...l.pone.0008382

“Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host’s immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system’s self-organized criticality.”

Look at these maps here on BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24519949
Check out Hib vaccine rates for Finland and Russia, you'll see that Finland vaccinates 99% of their population against Hib, whereas Russia only vaccinates 18%

Could the Hib vaccine be the culprit?

Bingo, it's already been pointed out that wherever the Hib vaccine is introduced cases of Diabetes Type 1 skyrocket

Association between type 1 diabetes and Hib vaccine (Causal relation is likely)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1116914/

The study goes on to say that there is more harm than good being done by the Hib vaccine

“The rise in diabetes, just one potential adverse effect, exceeds the benefit of the vaccine, which has been estimated to prevent seven deaths and 7-26 cases of severe disability per 100 000 children immunised”

“Furthermore, sharp rises in diabetes have been recorded in the United States and the United Kingdom after the introduction of the haemophilus vaccine.”


The problem is Diabetes Type 1 makes Big Money for Big Pharma, this is of course the most likely reason why the jab is there is the first place, it was never about protecting, just about increasing profits. :2 cents:


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