So much for electric cars saving the environment
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-31/you-ll-need-286-pounds-of-coal-to-fuel-that-electric-road-trip?adv=fedexsocial
Turns out the cost of powering those Tesla's is worse than just burning gas

Good. Coal miners get more work! :)

Yeah and that idiot Obama was trying to kill the coal industry.

and you probably like that, don't you? I guess that means we should just stick with the internal combustion engine because old ass fools like yourself hate change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOKAv_HKkas

Congrats to the weiners

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Next time, try reading the whole article.

From the link you shared, yet got completely wrong: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...dv=fedexsocial

Here's the highlights in bold for you, just in case vision ain't what it used to be.

What you don't get Vendzilla, is that there are plenty of alternatives to generating electricity than coal. Electric cars will make a small difference even if the electricity comes from coal, but they make a bigger difference if the electricity comes solar, Hydro or Nuclear.


Sigh...

Work in coal mines has gone down for plenty of reasons: It's old technology, it's expensive, it's dangerous, it's unpopular, and workers are being replaced by robots. If you believe in coal so much go mine some for a while, then invest what you're paid into insurance to help cover a little of the medical bills thanks to your newfound pneumoconiosis.

From the article you linked did you read it?..

286 pounds of coal or 33 minutes of blades spinning on a giant offshore wind turbine, 7 day for solar roof, 3 minutes of large solar array.

I'd tend to think the solar array is the future and not coal don't you?


May be re read this several times..

"Even with all those losses, the electric vehicle road trip is still better for the climate than driving a gasoline-powered car. Burning that much coal would release about 310 kilograms of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, compared with 350 kilograms by the 40 gallons of gasoline. Even though coal tends to emit more pollutants than oil for the amount of energy it generates, the efficiency of the electric vehicle, which recharges its battery with every brake, more than makes up the difference."

Why would my electric car need to burn coal? I have solar.

In fact... I just got a check from my power company for $124. In the past year I put in more power back into the grid than I took out, and even after my meager natural gas usage I pulled out a small profit. I also made $2k from the solar company directly in the past year by sending them new customers... so.... Not only did I not take any power from from the grid, I also made about $900 for year which is after my costs for the panels.

The truth isn't important to such people. They just want to be full of negative energy.

Casper and the guy who hasnt seen his dick in a decade owned again. :1orglaugh

Love That.
Want That.

Smart, Smart smart smart smart.

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I definitely want a Tesla. Don't care if it needs coal or solar to charge. I just want one because it's cool and fast.
That is the only reason I would ever choose a car to drive. :)

Just wish they would offer a roadster again. Not really into the family sedan look that is all they have at the moment.

But if/when they do another sports car roadster design...then I'm hooked.

God dammit I want to get drunk with you...

I test drove a roadster a long time ago. It was fast and fun, but it was a little too small for my 6'3" frame.

But even though the Model S is a Sedan, it's freakin' fast, and it feels very much like a real sports car. In fact I'd say its cooler than that. The exterior says sedan. But the speed, handling and acceleration are sick, sick sick. Even the base models are exceptional.

It's fantastic. The way it's set up right now... I pay ZERO for power.

I looked into getting solar here and unfortunately I can't. The roof of my house is facing 5 different directions and not one of them is good enough to collect any decent amount of solar. Then again, electricity is dirt-cheap here so Solar would take forever to pay for itself where I live. If I'm ever in your neck of the woods you'll have to show me your setup, and pardon my drool.

Coal still powers 30% of the US power plants

Fake Nick lol that is mostly concerned about my dick

Also this doesn't take into effect the footprint of battery disposal or even the carbon footprint of building those batteries

/facepalm.

EV Batteries are recycled, not disposed of.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...en-they-retire
https://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/publi...ticle2016.html
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/06/07...in-the-future/


Yes they have a high carbon footprint at almost twice as much as that of a combustion car. But the USE of an electric car makes up the difference. Also there's No burning fuel, no co2 or other greenhouse gasses. Driving it also produces no nitrogen oxide (NOx), no carbon monoxide, no hydrocarbons, and no soot.

Congrats - now lets get that down to 0%.

More info for you : https://www.directenergy.com/blog/ty...nerated-in-us/

Audi has a great SUV coming out in early 2019 But i believe the range is about a third less than Tesla. There will be many alternatives within a year or two.

We know you red hats love to hate on elon and take your orders from big oil...but, just about all automakers are building electric cars now.

And that is where we are headed... whether you like it or not. Doesn't matter what ideas you put into your head and shit out your mouth.

The GOP has been stifling renewables innovation for decades btw.

Why don't you back to playing your crosswords and yelling at kids to get off you lawn?

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Haha, so you made a post ranting about how much coal a tesla burns.. (:error) but then Robbie steps in to reminds you, coal is a red hat thing... then you go with an Obama burn?

Dude... omfg.

They don't hate change.. they just think they do because that's what they are told to think.

God, guns, war, and oil!!

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No thanks..

https://lungsatworkpa.org/wp-content...seasedlung.jpg

I know.

And just think about what a fucked-up job that is. You spend all day in a deep, dangerous cave that could collapse. It's dark and hot as hell. You inhale shit all day and come out covered in crap and die a slow and fucked-up death for barely $20 an hour average.

https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnb...g?v=1516637409

Pathetic.

I don't know how you can make that equation.
I have 7 plants of more than 20 units converting to gas. Will take 12-15 years from now to complete. You can't convert these so they tear some down and build anew.
Despite the political blames that have went around, I have known this was about to happen for 8 years.
It's just cheaper.

The power folks got caught with their pants down on this issue as they got de-regulation written exactly as they wanted it and it turns out, they didn't see this coming.
Go figure. They certainly will not take the blame to the shareholders, so they blamed it on Obama. ...LOL...

Tesla never claimed to be cost efficient. They are a performance car. Priced accordingly.
I charge them from a solar array. Pretty cheap for me.

Vendzilla is still trying to figure out his VCR.

He got the TV Box remote and the fox news covered though...

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Did you know that hemp plants can be converted into clean-burning charcoal? Why didn't Obama legalize it?


I live near coal country and am totally anti-coal. The real reason for loss of coal jobs is the MOUNTAINTOP REMOVAL. Rather than hire people to dig coal underground, they just use a few tons of explosives to blow the top off the mountain, then push the debris over the hill- burying thousands of miles of streams. It's disgusting. Coal production has INCREASED with fewer workers.


The internal combustion engine is NOT THE PROBLEM. It's the petroleum fuel. Rudolph Diesel designed the diesel engine to run on peanut oil. Henry Ford was building cars that ran on clean Ethanol from plants (mainly hemp). Congress outlawed hemp in 1937 after the oil companies lobbied for it. Ford's hemp car was 3 times as green as today's electric cars.

obviously you are bad informed.

Tesla have a huge net of FREE stations - most of them driven by solar power.
So to fill it up costs ZERO !!!

https://i2.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-con...trip=all&ssl=1

And the MINING for the material to make the batteries is destructive to the environment.

The Widespread Social And Environmental Destruction Behind Electric Car Batteries And E-Mobility

The solution is plant-based fuels, and Congress outlawed the only plant capable of replacing fossil fuels.

Where do you find these bullshit news sources? Notrickszone.com LOL is there some sort of retard setting on google that gives you these sites as results? How do you find this shit?

Dumbass.. there are not a lot of coal plants left in operation and no new ones will ever be built in the US..


Vendilldo logic would be like saying keep riding horses because there aren't many gas stations in the old west...

Can you dispute the data with actual facts, or just complain about the domain name like a dumbass??

Wired Magazine: TESLA'S ELECTRIC CARS AREN'T AS GREEN AS YOU MIGHT THINK

TheGuardian: Nickel mining: the hidden environmental cost of electric cars

DigitalTrends: Don’t look so smug: Your Tesla might be worse for the environment than a gas car

WaPo: THE COBALT PIPELINE:
Tracing the path from deadly hand-dug mines in Congo to consumers’ phones and laptops

If you're going to be a troll, at least post actual facts. :action-sm

Trump sure the fuck isn't

alt-right-search.com

the digital trends article does not favor your argument. At all. I have read other articles on the issues of Ev's and they almost always state... "depending on where the power source comes from" or "still better than gas cars"

Electric cars are still in their infancy. Solar is doable.. and the demand is going to skyrocket.

Nothing has zero footprint. Hemp looks great, just doubt it will ever come to be.

Do you ever stop and ponder.. "What if there's other countries outside of America?"

Nah it can't be so...

I use duckduckgo.com

Petition on WhiteHouse.gov: Let American Farmers Grow Hemp Once Again to Create Jobs and Rebuild the Rural Economy

Republicans handling business: Legislation legalizing hemp included in Senate farm bill

So why didn't the previous administration do this? Because they were too busy promoting fracking to countries around the world, as well as the fake Solyndra scam. Thanks, Obama! :1orglaugh

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Why doesn't trump ? Why didn't Bush or anyone else ?

Agreed somewhat. I live where they sill mine it. China is not buying as much of our coal. A good bit of what is still mined here is metallurgic coal used for making steel.
But when they were big on the soft coal, the mining safety went out the window as they could not get it out of the ground fast enough. Hence the all those accidents they had 5-10 years ago. Anyone who wants to keep their job does not talk to MSHA when they come.
Coal was at it's peak. Couldn't go anywhere but down when external buyers found other sources and made transports for it to get it to market. Again where there were no safety or environmental concerns.

I have 2 diesels that run on waste veggy oil. One runs a electric generator. The other can run a generator or a host of other implements I made for it. Peanut oil is very expensive if you have ever bought any. Most valuable part of the peanut. Diesels can be converted to burn just about any organic hydrocarbon. It has never been a secrete and many of us have been doing it for many years. It just needs cleaned, de-desalinated and often heated before injection.
So what's the problem with everyone else ?
Every time someone makes good strides to make commercial operations of it, big oil lobbies for regulation to make it more costly, just like solar and wind.

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We need all of the above approaches to energy since it really is a national security issue. Many of you may find out just how much of a issue it is in your lifetime. The goal should always be to be self dependent by whatever means possible. Yes all of the above energy is the only solution.
Everything has hidden cost and effects but some are easier to deal with when you think long term. And they are all possible jobs.
One mans waste can be a mans job, heat, light but only if you let it.
The petro keepers want it as it is.

You want heat ? Pay Master Blaster ! ...LOL...

Personally, I'm not worried. But remember, I'm not sharing my solar or other natural energy with anyone when the hammer falls.

When you are all done playing politics with energy, the vision I just explained is all you have left, but do you have enough time to convert before disaster ?
That's up to you... I'm covered. It's all about 'who do you want to serve' !