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Mediamix 01-11-2019 08:35 AM

Pornstar Ginger Banks has a message for Paul Markham
 
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Klen 01-11-2019 08:55 AM

Plotwist: she works as cam girl :D

King Mark 01-11-2019 08:56 AM

Magic join links

NoWhErE 01-11-2019 09:46 AM

His reasoning is as follows: "People aren't buying my 1998 content anymore, so nobody else must be selling porn too. The industry is dead and nobody is buying porn.

I remember back in the days where I didn't even have to have basic HTML skills to make money from a paysite. Since then, things have evolved and I don't agree with them. So my final conclusion is the entire world is wrong and I'm right."

alexistexasass 01-11-2019 10:07 AM

Wow nice twit :D

NatalieK 01-11-2019 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 22395409)
Plotwist: she works as cam girl :D

no, sheīs a cam girl but also shoots porn for other companies and her own clips sites like me on onlyfans and manyvids...


I totally agree with her though...


we live a great life from porn. We live from both mine & Garyīs paysites, the clips profiles our dvd sales and some live cam...

no other income from other jobs :thumbsup

Struggle4Bucks 01-11-2019 12:16 PM

How is it disrespectfull to the pornindustry to say “that no one ever pays for the product we put out”??? Its disrespectfull at most to the people left that still pay for it.

In a way she gets raped a couple million times a day by all the freewankers that jerk of on her while not paying for it and also having zero intentions to ever pay for it.

She is not getting paid by the public btw shes getting paid by a producer. Little bit disrespectfull to producers to say they pay for her food; bills; roof etc while they dont know if they, in 2018, can make a roi by paying her the fees she is getting paid.

King Mark 01-11-2019 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 22395553)
In a way she gets raped a couple million times a day by all the freewankers that jerk of on her while not paying for it

Hold on bro... Nah man. You not about to call me a rapist for rubbing one out on xvideos every once in a while.

Struggle4Bucks 01-11-2019 12:41 PM

Are you in Cali? 3 strokes uh i mean strikes and youre done you serial rapist

Nicky 01-11-2019 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22395440)
His reasoning is as follows: "People aren't buying my 1998 content anymore, so nobody else must be selling porn too. The industry is dead and nobody is buying porn.

I remember back in the days where I didn't even have to have basic HTML skills to make money from a paysite. Since then, things have evolved and I don't agree with them. So my final conclusion is the entire world is wrong and I'm right."

Even magic join links cant help him now

SBJ 01-12-2019 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 22395409)
Plotwist: she works as cam girl :D

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Was just watching her on youtube talking about the whole Evil Angel BS and she sounded so fake the whole 30 mins

I respect a lot of women in porn but fuck this bitch!

Sarn 01-12-2019 02:06 AM

she "worker" in this industry working for wage, we talk about business with profit

SBJ 01-12-2019 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 22395789)
she "worker" in this industry working for wage, we talk about business with profit


Sarn 01-12-2019 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SBJ (Post 22395790)


Paul Markham 01-12-2019 03:38 AM

She is lying. I have never said porn doesn't sell. I say porn doesn't sell as well a sit used to because Tubes now get most of the traffic.

So tell her to Shut the Fuck up.

Or maybe you will argue with me here. https://gfy.com/22395804-post20.html

AdultKing 01-12-2019 04:30 AM

Does a cog know that it's just a part within a machine, or is the cog just happy being a cog?

Paul Markham 01-12-2019 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 22395816)
Does a cog know that it's just a part within a machine, or is the cog just happy being a cog?

We are all cogs in a machine. The good thing for the porn industry is after jerking off for free millions are buying porn memberships. Even women, their numbers are through the roof.

AdultKing 01-12-2019 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22395851)
We are all cogs in a machine. The good thing for the porn industry is after jerking off for free millions are buying porn memberships. Even women, their numbers are through the roof.

You're really bent out of shape aren't you :1orglaugh

CaptainHowdy 01-12-2019 07:49 AM

I fapped to her once or twice if I'm not mistaken . . .

thommy 01-12-2019 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22395440)
His reasoning is as follows: "People aren't buying my 1998 content anymore, so nobody else must be selling porn too. The industry is dead and nobody is buying porn.

I remember back in the days where I didn't even have to have basic HTML skills to make money from a paysite. Since then, things have evolved and I don't agree with them. So my final conclusion is the entire world is wrong and I'm right."

if i would not read the topic and would see your description even in a menu card of mc donalds i would know right away who you describe :-)

thommy 01-12-2019 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 22395553)

She is not getting paid by the public btw shes getting paid by a producer. Little bit disrespectfull to producers to say they pay for her food; bills; roof etc while they dont know if they, in 2018, can make a roi by paying her the fees she is getting paid.

go on...where did the producerīs money come from ???
and where did the guy paying the producer get it from ?
why the producer give her money and waste time to produce something that nobody buys ?

think your thought til the end !!!

Struggle4Bucks 01-12-2019 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22395891)
go on...where did the producerīs money come from ???
and where did the guy paying the producer get it from ?
why the producer give her money and waste time to produce something that nobody buys ?

think your thought til the end !!!

Thommy please... im disapointed... you of all people here. Before a business can make money it needs to spend money first. Absolutely no quarantee of making roi. You turn things around... in your world the market buys a product and then Some entrpeneur produces it... think again

Busty2 01-12-2019 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 22395949)
Thommy please... im disapointed... you of all people here. Before a business can make money it needs to spend money first. Absolutely no quarantee of making roi. You turn things around... in your world the market buys a product and then Some entrpeneur produces it... think again

Ever heard of Kickstarter ?

thommy 01-12-2019 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 22395949)
Thommy please... im disapointed... you of all people here. Before a business can make money it needs to spend money first. Absolutely no quarantee of making roi. You turn things around... in your world the market buys a product and then Some entrpeneur produces it... think again



if this producer is a professional one he have the money from someone, right?
and he reinvest it because he thinks he can sell it.
if this is not working he will do that how often ?

out of that the absolutely same happens to the model.
she spends her time, she comes to the job - so she have invested too.

the one that eventually buys it after will also pay it on risk because he havenīt sold it.

so how many times and how long could this work if there is no one that pays anyone.

so please think it to the end before you start to write it down.

this business is sick because of too many amateur entrepreneurs who think they have the skills to compete with professional business man.

it is very simple: if your business donīt feed you - let the ones do it who know how it works. and as long these people are existing it proves that there IS a way. you just donīt know it.

Struggle4Bucks 01-12-2019 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Busty2 (Post 22395951)
Ever heard of Kickstarter ?

You mean that gimmick where broke hipsters can start their multinationals and where girls can buy the absolute latest fashion? (the absolute latest fashion because it's not even made yet)

Struggle4Bucks 01-12-2019 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22395958)
if this producer is a professional one he have the money from someone, right?
and he reinvest it because he thinks he can sell it.

You have producers that are also the investors and sellers to end users...
and you have producers who work for a fee for some investor/business owner.

The word "thinking" is key. No one would invest if they didnt think they could sell it. Do they have quarantees? No. Thinking for some people is enough... They accept business risk and go broke or get rich. And all the others take a job.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22395958)
the one that eventually buys it after will also pay it on risk because he havenīt sold it.

Exactly... I knew you would understand me...

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22395958)
so how many times and how long could this work if there is no one that pays anyone.

No no no no we agreed and now you're backing off... we are talking about principal rules here...

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22395958)
so please think it to the end before you start to write it down.

I thought it to the end.... Im in a state of nihilism right now :1orglaugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22395958)
this business is sick because of too many amateur entrepreneurs who think they have the skills to compete with professional business man.

Don't worrie about it... the market will always fix that...

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22395958)
it is very simple: if your business donīt feed you - let the ones do it who know how it works. and as long these people are existing it proves that there IS a way. you just donīt know it.

Im talking about principal law... nothing more nothing less...

thommy 01-12-2019 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 22395984)
Im talking about principal law... nothing more nothing less...

you should discuss it with a hen and an egg

cordoba 01-13-2019 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 22395553)
How is it disrespectfull to the pornindustry to say “that no one ever pays for the product we put out”??? Its disrespectfull at most to the people left that still pay for it.

In a way she gets raped a couple million times a day by all the freewankers that jerk of on her while not paying for it and also having zero intentions to ever pay for it.

She is not getting paid by the public btw shes getting paid by a producer. Little bit disrespectfull to producers to say they pay for her food; bills; roof etc while they dont know if they, in 2018, can make a roi by paying her the fees she is getting paid.

It would be a sure way to end porn tube piracy and illegal torrents if we lobbied for this. Seriously though, there could be a case for prosecuting freewankers for 'sexual voyeurism' or something.

Paul Markham 01-13-2019 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 22395984)
You have producers that are also the investors and sellers to end users...
and you have producers who work for a fee for some investor/business owner.

The word "thinking" is key. No one would invest if they didnt think they could sell it. Do they have quarantees? No. Thinking for some people is enough... They accept business risk and go broke or get rich. And all the others take a job.

The balance between buyers, publishers, producers and models has shifted so much over the last 10 years that today there are far fewer of all 4. We all know that far less porn is being sold, so there are fewer publishers, producers and models. Plus the prices paid by publishers is lowering as well.

Paul Markham 01-13-2019 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 22395553)
How is it disrespectfull to the pornindustry to say “that no one ever pays for the product we put out”??? Its disrespectfull at most to the people left that still pay for it.

In a way she gets raped a couple million times a day by all the freewankers that jerk of on her while not paying for it and also having zero intentions to ever pay for it.

She is not getting paid by the public btw shes getting paid by a producer. Little bit disrespectfull to producers to say they pay for her food; bills; roof etc while they dont know if they, in 2018, can make a roi by paying her the fees she is getting paid.

It's also a lie to say “that no one ever pays for the product we put out”. But many do say it all the time or similar mainly the pro tubes group.

Less people pay for it now, would be a far truer description.

Sarn 01-13-2019 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22395958)
..
out of that the absolutely same happens to the model.
she spends her time, she comes to the job - so she have invested too.
...

in CV she can write 5 years experience in its startup :1orglaugh businesswoman :1orglaugh

NatalieK 01-13-2019 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22396168)
The balance between buyers, publishers, producers and models has shifted so much over the last 10 years that today there are far fewer of all 4. We all know that far less porn is being sold, so there are fewer publishers, producers and models. Plus the prices paid by publishers is lowering as well.

well, not models, thereīs more models as itīs more open these days, many work for their own websites, filming porn or playing on cam. Thereīs less publishers and producers than maybe the mid 2000, but probably the same as there were in the 90s...

probably due to Atvod in the UK, less producers :2 cents:

Paul Markham 01-14-2019 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 22396432)
well, not models, thereīs more models as itīs more open these days, many work for their own websites, filming porn or playing on cam. Thereīs less publishers and producers than maybe the mid 2000, but probably the same as there were in the 90s...

probably due to Atvod in the UK, less producers :2 cents:

More girls are doing Cam work or filming for themselves. Whether they make more money is guesswork. Are they making $2,000 to $10,000 a week?

Which one of these is from today's time. https://www.worldoffemale.com/20-mos...-on-earth-sfw/

NoWhErE 01-14-2019 07:37 AM

In this thread: old man schooling us on what the industry is like even though he has absolutely no relevance, facts or experience in today's industry.

Missing in this thread: An old man with the ability to objectively look at what he is saying and ask himself: "Do I know what the fuck I'm talking about? Or am I just vomiting words on a keyboard?"

SilentKnight 01-14-2019 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22396656)
In this thread: old man schooling us on what the industry is like even though he has absolutely no relevance, facts or experience in today's industry.

Missing in this thread: An old man with the ability to objectively look at what he is saying and ask himself: "Do I know what the fuck I'm talking about? Or am I just vomiting words on a keyboard?"

Refresh my memory...who are you again?

NoWhErE 01-14-2019 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 22396665)
Refresh my memory...who are you again?

If you go to shows, you've most likely met me. Or promoted a program that I've worked on building. I've accepted multiple GFY awards. Go to any tube and look at the ads, you'll most likely see mine.

Sarn 01-14-2019 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22396562)
More girls are doing Cam work or filming for themselves. Whether they make more money is guesswork. Are they making $2,000 to $10,000 a week?

Which one of these is from today's time. https://www.worldoffemale.com/20-mos...-on-earth-sfw/

of course, they earn it in the industry - in webcam :1orglaugh


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SilentKnight 01-14-2019 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22396667)
If you go to shows, you've most likely met me. Or promoted a program that I've worked on building. I've accepted multiple GFY awards. Go to any tube and look at the ads, you'll most likely see mine.

Oh, okay.

So you don't work in the actual content production aspect of the industry.

NoWhErE 01-14-2019 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 22396691)
Oh, okay.

So you don't work in the actual content production aspect of the industry.

My role started on the production side. I have done everything from filming, casting, editing, producing and now I work more on the business side of the industry.

SilentKnight 01-14-2019 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22396656)
In this thread: old man schooling us on what the industry is like even though he has absolutely no relevance, facts or experience in today's industry.

Missing in this thread: An old man with the ability to objectively look at what he is saying and ask himself: "Do I know what the fuck I'm talking about? Or am I just vomiting words on a keyboard?"

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22396693)
My role started on the production side. I have done everything from filming, casting, editing, producing and now I work more on the business side of the industry.

For some of us company owners (and former owners) the "business side" of the industry includes all facets of it including production, casting, filming, advertising/promotion, program creation, et al.

As a program promoter you're a middleman, still reliant on those who actually create and produce the content, correct?

And by your own words, since you're no longer in the filming, casting, editing and producing end of the industry, your experience and knowledge in those areas could also be deemed by some as having no relevance to today's industry.

Look - I'm no fan of Paul Markham. But that said...simply dismissing him (and others like him who contributed to pioneering a significant amount of the online porn industry over the years) by labeling him "irrelevant" and "someone vomiting words on a keyboard" when yourself are no longer involved in many key aspects of the industry...comes across as rather haughty and gauche.


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