Practical usage of symphony/laravel ?
 

There is so much fuss about these two PHP frameworks, yet i still do not see what is so special about them.

Did anyone wrote some code with them? Actual examples are usually better then documentation.

I developed VendBits https://vendbits.com on Laravel which utilizes the Model-View-Controller (MVC), an architectural pattern that separates an application into three main logical components: the model, the view, and the controller.

The most practical thing to do with Laravel is to burn it in a hole and run the other way.

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So what other solutions do you suggest instead?

I prefer to use Visual Basic for my programming needs.

If you like it then keep using it.
I don't want anything else to do with after using it to implement AgeID for clients.

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QBASIC for the win.

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I trying to understand here why it is so popular, hence asking question.

Because like every "Framework" it's the easiest and the bestest and biggly fucking awesome and you don't need to know anything to use it.
People buy into that hype and resell it to another fool.

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because Laravel is like apple, it just fucking works. All other languages are about trends and the latest bs framework. JS ecosystem is a fucking mess. I don't about adult, but Laravel is a big money maker for shopify developers.

If you about your money, PHP is the shit.

^ Exactly. Laravel is a robust system and makes web development using PHP enjoyable. It's currently on version 9. Taylor built a great product. The feeble minded can't comprehend how to use it properly and their dismissal of it shows their incompetence.

Feeble minded programmers need frameworks.
The rest of us just pull up our own code libraries.

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Codeigniter used to be hyped as the best

Top 10 Alternatives to CodeIgniter
Angular.
Laravel.
CakePHP.
Symfony.
Yii.
Slim Framework.
Phalcon.
Laminas Project (formerly Zend Framework)


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What libraries have you made? Show me just one of your many marvels of software engineering.


Of course you have to google and copy/paste your weak ass reply.

Laravel dominates its competition for PHP/backend frameworks.

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Do you not know how to use Composer to import github repos?

https://github.com/AgeID/php-encryption-lib

https://inertiajs.com/partial-reloads

https://laracasts.com/series/build-m...ng-inertia-js/

https://jetstream.laravel.com/

I love these timeline charts

Sounds like you develop code like its 1998, do you run them on PHP3? :1orglaugh

Nothing to see here, folks. Just bm embarrassing himself... again.

Laravel's creator isn't doing too badly.

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The thing is that there's now ALOT of shit programmers that rely ENTIRELY on frameworks and can't do squat in PHP. I have run into tons when hiring where, if asked, cannot code anything from scratch. If you put them in front of clean php they look like a deer in front of headlights.

Please, stop telling the truth, it only makes people mad.


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If you're building a house, would you buy standard lumber sizes from a store or chop down trees yourself?

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That's a really, really bad comparison man. We're talking more design your own house vs pre-fab. Symphony is still PHP, and still at it's core just wrapping php functions.

My point is, it's about standardization and rapid development/deployment. There's no point in re-inventing the wheel.

Yes, it's nice to be able to code as close to binary/machine languages, but it's not necessary for many people to develop those skills.

Oh here we go :1orglaugh

IMHO it really depends on the project itself - both worlds have their pros and cons.

For example, MechBunny itself is like a little framework where we build a lot of sites on top of it - not neccesarily being tubes.

I like to code my own stuff from the ground up, however as Konrad's script takes care of 99% of a project requirements, i usually just use that and buiild / modify on top of it - the same it goes with frameworks - it gets the job done and also when we talking maintenance when you have a project built on a known framework, it is easier to change developers versus having some custom written code that would need rewritten most of the times :2 cents:

Are ya'll seriously arguing over a framework? looooool.

Use it or don't. Go find something more important to spend brain cycles on than to bitch about what someone else wants to use.

That being said, made a ton of money thanks to Laravel, but I haven't written PHP in almost a decade. Full stack JavaScript now, where I make a metric fuck ton more money.

That is true but I don’t think it has anything to do with using frameworks or not, there is just a lot of incompetent idiots out there and by chance many will be programmers.

If someone comes to me and says he is better developing the application with whatever business logic it needs and all the basics like database connectors, variable sanitation, routing etc themselves I know for a fact that at best they will take 10x the time to get it done which is wasteful or at worst they will deliver unusable shit because they do not know what they do.

That is the big issue with developers, they all think they are smart and want to reinvent the wheel. I am a developer, I don’t know if I am overly smart or not but I know I do not have the time in my life to write every simple basic shit myself when there is frameworks doing it for me so I can focus on writing code that actually matters…

Laravel usually loads a bit faster than Symphony

I will not argue that there are ALOT of incompetant psuedo-developers, the salaries of which have been driven up like crazy by outsourcing companies to the point where someone with zero experience, zero knowledge of programming labels themselves a "programmer" and gets hired by them.

I will however point out that those that worked only in frameworks in my experience didn't even understand the basic fundamentals of web development. They didn't understand how to prevent against SQL injection, XSS, etc. They had at most a vague understanding that these things exist but not how to exploit them or prevent them. They are lacking a lot of knowledge that they should have but don't.

I don't see this as a problem and rather the intention of frameworks. From a project management POV I do not want every developer to know about these topics in great detail. The security aspect of an application is within the scope of a dedicated security engineer, if you do not have one (which many projects/business do not have) that is the very point of using a framework which will safeguard against the biggest issues WITHOUT your developers having to understand and mitigate those risks themselves.

Then we differ here because for me a developer should know as much as possible about what they are doing, otherwise they are just building shit out of lego blocks.

Well there is not only one typ of developer right, I'd much rather work with one brilliant backend and have a great security engineer than have one guy who "knows as much as possible" but does nothing really well and takes ages to get any production code out of the door

For adult affiliate marketing, though, it doesn't matter that much. I try to make my sites look nice, but I try to get surfers off of my site and clicking on an ad/link asap. Let the sponsor finish the sale.
Regular PHP is fine for this, don't have to waste time being fancy for maybe a couple more conversions.

every open source package has exploits and is continuously being penetration assaulted.

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If a corporate setting, sure. In Adult, most of the people involved here are singular webmasters. Even us, who produce code for a living for the adult industry, can't justify having a single separate guy handling JUST security stuff and it makes more sense for our staff to know about sql injection etc.

Our team just built a robust multi-site CMS using the TALL stack, and it was incredibly powerful stack to use.

Laravel is fantastic, coupled with livewire we really pulled off something special, I'll be using this stack where ever I can from now on.

Hope you're doing Good Rebel D!

Tube Ace,

Webmasters will love your video embed script if you do it in Laravel, so do it.
They also need a multi cam feed site like Konrad's.

You should be able to crank those 2 scripts out in a week using Laravel.

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i lik lego

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I have nothing but respect for you, but there's some glaring issues I'm noticing here.

You're wanting someone who can do the job of MANY people. Understandable, this is an interesting thing I learned after leaving adult. Nowhere else is this type of thing expected. People focus on a subset of the overall problem and make sure they do that thing great. In adult "I want someone who knows the database, deployment target, security, design marketing and anything else, and I want them to be flawless in all of it!!"

But you know what is the biggest problem? Nobody in this fucking industry wants to pay the cost of having someone like that. So what happens? They hire someone who talks out of their ass, get's screwed over because that person charged a low rate that satisfied this person and got left screwed over.

Not to toot my own horn but I spent a long fucking time learning and gaining those skills, thankfully they're in heavy demand outside of adult... But they pay for it.

If I got an email from an adult person wanting me to do all of that shit, I wouldn't even respond to the email without a non-refundable deposit of $50k.

You gonna pay 50k for that? Doubtful.

That being said, I'm a former heavy contributor to Laravel and the ecosystem and have built my own frameworks to get the understanding of everything, and can do almost anything at scale in PHP. But will I write 100% vanilla PHP?

That 50k price tag just went up to $200k.

Basically what I'm saying is, you get what you pay for, and frankly this industry is bottom of the barrel pricing, everyone thinks they know everything and the people "paying" think that their $1k for 400 hours of work is "generous". Real engineers would laugh in your face coming sideways at them like that shit.