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will76 04-27-2007 06:33 PM

i've come to 1 conclusion today....
 
simple equation:


Lars + mouth = foot


You whine and whine that poor AFF is getting all the attention and sure enough right when we have turned the spot light off of you and AFF ( see sexbankroll threads) you start posting and stiring shit up again.


I would swear you do it for the attention, LOL and you call me a drama whore.

jesus when will you learn to keep your mouth shut. You just totally put all of the attention back on yourself that was going to sexbankroll... good job dumbass.

Take my advice, shut the fuck up.... and take some PR classes, when you talk i think you say the worst things possible. Someone call Andrew so he can take Lars' keyboard away before he sinks the company.

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Chef86 04-27-2007 06:39 PM

This is a good thread. Got some good info here good job will76.

spunkmister 04-27-2007 06:52 PM

maybe thats cause Lars knows that there are a lot of webmasters out there that want to promote a sponsor that will allow them to do pretty much anything they want to get sales...so coming back into the spotlight gets those webmasters attention.

Xenophage 04-27-2007 06:54 PM

I want to make sure everyone knows we pay out the biggest checks and nothing you can say or do will change that in fact we are once again raising payouts ! So everyone get ready cuzz MAY is going to be insaine with even bigger fatter checks for our affilaites, we are still the biggest and will remain so becaus we pay the biggest checks.

will76 04-27-2007 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spunkmister (Post 12324443)
maybe thats cause Lars knows that there are a lot of webmasters out there that want to promote a sponsor that will allow them to do pretty much anything they want to get sales...so coming back into the spotlight gets those webmasters attention.

yeah and these people have never heard of AFF before, they need to see lars making an ass of himself to find out about AFF..

your logic is 1+1=4


I think my equation is more accurate. Look Lars' posts here " zango zango zango zango zango zango " he is just putting more and more attention on himself so he can cry and say that everyone is picking on him, classic. :upsidedow

will76 04-27-2007 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 12324452)
I want to make sure everyone knows we pay out the biggest checks and nothing you can say or do will change that in fact we are once again raising payouts ! So everyone get ready cuzz MAY is going to be insaine with even bigger fatter checks for our affilaites, we are still the biggest and will remain so becaus we pay the biggest checks.

your dinner is getting cold, why don't you put the keyboard down take a break eat and then you can come back and play some more. :1orglaugh

see yah later.

Big_Red 04-27-2007 06:59 PM

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

WiredGuy 04-27-2007 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12324342)
You whine and whine that poor AFF is getting all the attention and sure enough right when we have turned the spot light off of you and AFF ( see sexbankroll threads) you start posting and stiring shit up again.


I would swear you do it for the attention, LOL and you call me a drama whore.

jesus when will you learn to keep your mouth shut. You just totally put all of the attention back on yourself that was going to sexbankroll... good job dumbass.

Take my advice, shut the fuck up.... and take some PR classes, when you talk i think you say the worst things possible. Someone call Andrew so he can take Lars' keyboard away before he sinks the company.


I think you could use some of that own advice. You single handedly are the one person who made everyone know about Zango. You may think this holy crusade your doing is good, but I bet you've recruited more webmasters to try Zango than anyone else ever has from GFY.
WG

StuartD 04-27-2007 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12324477)
I think you could use some of that own advice. You single handedly are the one person who made everyone know about Zango. You may think this holy crusade your doing is good, but I bet you've recruited more webmasters to try Zango than anyone else ever has from GFY.
WG

:thumbsup :thumbsup

BlackCrayon 04-27-2007 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12324477)
I think you could use some of that own advice. You single handedly are the one person who made everyone know about Zango. You may think this holy crusade your doing is good, but I bet you've recruited more webmasters to try Zango than anyone else ever has from GFY.
WG

Yeah...and keeping zango a "secret" is going to make it go away?

DatingGold 04-27-2007 07:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12324477)
I think you could use some of that own advice. You single handedly are the one person who made everyone know about Zango. You may think this holy crusade your doing is good, but I bet you've recruited more webmasters to try Zango than anyone else ever has from GFY.
WG

I assumed he worked for Lars and or Zango

CDSmith 04-27-2007 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12324477)
I think you could use some of that own advice. You single handedly are the one person who made everyone know about Zango. You may think this holy crusade your doing is good, but I bet you've recruited more webmasters to try Zango than anyone else ever has from GFY.
WG

Right. Better to keep quiet and ignore a problem like zango and the programs that support it.

What was Will thinking?

spunkmister 04-27-2007 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12324464)
yeah and these people have never heard of AFF before, they need to see lars making an ass of himself to find out about AFF..

your logic is 1+1=4


I think my equation is more accurate. Look Lars' posts here " zango zango zango zango zango zango " he is just putting more and more attention on himself so he can cry and say that everyone is picking on him, classic. :upsidedow

so you think all these Lars threads arn't gonna get AFF any new signups? You honestly believe that?

I guess the question is which is greater : people who sign up or the people who drop them...

Hot Mama Janet 04-27-2007 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12324747)
Right. Better to keep quiet and ignore a problem like zango and the programs that support it.

What was Will thinking?

Does anyone have contact info for ZANGO????
I am ready to start making MONEY:)

uno 04-27-2007 08:15 PM

Why can't they just come out and say "Sorry, we fucked up. We're not doing it anymore."?

wyldworx 04-27-2007 08:24 PM

wtf??????????????????????????????????????????????? ????

WiredGuy 04-27-2007 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 12324707)
Yeah...and keeping zango a "secret" is going to make it go away?

Making it more public by branding their name every day certainly isn't helping either.
WG

JamesK2 04-27-2007 08:39 PM

Any publicity is good publicity :)

will76 04-27-2007 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12324864)
Making it more public by branding their name every day certainly isn't helping either.
WG

neither is doing zango installs.. How many installs did you do when you use to promote them ???


I can guarantee you have done more damage by doing zango installs then I have done from educating people about it.


how ironic the person who use to promote zango is calling me out and saying i am the one doing harm here. Some people need to get their heads out of their ass.

nikooo 04-27-2007 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12324469)
your dinner is getting cold, why don't you put the keyboard down take a break eat and then you can come back and play some more. :1orglaugh

see yah later.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

will76 04-27-2007 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesK (Post 12324874)
Any publicity is good publicity :)

Jack in the box sold bad meat in their hamburgers, killed a couple people. It was all over the news few years back. Explain to me how that helped them get more customers.

Using spyware is the same as making sick and killing your customers, in this case affiliates.

pornguy 04-27-2007 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatingGold (Post 12324709)
epiccash v2.0

Whats with the Epic Cash comment???

I hope that you are not accusing us of something.

BlackCrayon 04-27-2007 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12324864)
Making it more public by branding their name every day certainly isn't helping either.
WG

Not in the short term but hopefully in the long term it will. Whats your solution?

BusterBunny 04-27-2007 08:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 12324364)
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will76 04-27-2007 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12324477)
I think you could use some of that own advice. You single handedly are the one person who made everyone know about Zango. You may think this holy crusade your doing is good, but I bet you've recruited more webmasters to try Zango than anyone else ever has from GFY.
WG

This is for you and idiot Stuart. I am so glad I saved this I got tired of educating people like you. Of ALL people you think you would understand this since you use to do zango installs.


So you say I am not doing good because more people by traffic from zango. Read below:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Will76

This is the LAST fucking time i explain this for someone. IF you or someone else misses this post (plus the last 20x I have posted this) then they can think what the fuck they want. Obviously you and others are not smart enough to understand it or don't know a fuck about what you talking about to know how it works.

2 parts to zango. 1. pays people to do installs (zangocash). 2. sells traffic to people (metrics direct).

I post here to educate people about zango, all aspects. When people are educated how zango works then they would have to be morons to promote them to make .40 install only to fuck themselves on all the other sponsors they are advertising on their own site. Some people were promoting zango and stopped because of this, some people reached out to sites that was promoting zango and go them to stop. I DOUBT anyone here started promoting zango installs after finding out how bad they were and other than idiots like dorkjedi and fake sig whores just looking for attention, i haven't heard of anyone. It would make no sense. Installs are by far the thing that causes us the most damage.

The more pcs infected = the more traffic stolen from me.
The more assholes buying traffic from zango DOES NOT = more traffic stolen from me.

The second part is the people who buy traffic. Zango was selling traffic for all the popular urls and keywords long before i started posting about it. They sell traffic by the popup, and people bid on the urls. By posting about Zango the only bad that has come out of all of this is that the cost per click has gone up because more people bidding on their services. (AFF perfect example.) SO some asshole pays .04 a popup for my sponsor's url (my traffic) where as before he was buying it for .01. The amount of popups the infected user is seeing is the SAME. Zango caps how many is allowed to happen over a period of time so more people buying traffic doesn't mean more popups, just means zango makes more per pop up. My traffic is still being stolen regardless. The other part is the assholes who read this and want to use zango, let them. They expose themselves and I am sure a lot of people will stop doing business with them or skip over them in the future.

GOOD from my posting here: Make all affiliates aware how zango works so they never promote them. Some people were promoting them and stopped because they had no idea how it worked. Some webmasters have made scripts that notify the surfer their pc is infected. The sponsors who use stolen traffic have been exposed.

Bad: zango makes more per click from assholes who want to buy traffic from them.

While I don't want Zango to make more money, them making more money hasn't hurt me or anyone else here. If more sponsors stop using them, we keep working on people doing the installs , and the FTC stays on their ass, then we have a shot.

I think the good outweighs the bad.

So why don't you shut the fuck up for a little while, stop making stupid fucking comments like all i am doing is educating people how to use zango, and try a little reading comprehension and see if it can sink in this time.


will76 04-27-2007 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12324864)
Making it more public by branding their name every day certainly isn't helping either.
WG

How many installs did you do for zango? I believe you said you use to speak with them so if they talked to you must have been doing a good volume. We all know you do a lot of traffic.

So how many computers did you help infect, 1000, more than 10,000 ????


Did you even download the shit you were promoting to see how it worked or did you even really care ?

You posted in a previous thread the only reason you stopped was because they didn't pay you.

GTS Mark 04-27-2007 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12324477)
I think you could use some of that own advice. You single handedly are the one person who made everyone know about Zango. You may think this holy crusade your doing is good, but I bet you've recruited more webmasters to try Zango than anyone else ever has from GFY.
WG

I agree with you whole heartedly.

DH

DaddyHalbucks 04-27-2007 09:11 PM

Lars has a Top 100 website (in the world).

Translation: he can do whatever he fuck he wants. He can yank your chain day and night, he can smoke crack naked, or he can jerk off while listening to Helen Reddy albums.

PR? Who gives a flying fuck? PR among online pornographers? Now you will make me laugh!

He's got the world by the balls.

will76 04-27-2007 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12324984)
I agree with you whole heartedly.

DH

birds of a feather... you would agree. Lets see the people who agree, someone who use to work for you, and someone who did zango installs and you who use to sell traffic to people doing " adware ". Big surprise you all agree. Big surprise.

Now instead of being a parrot, why don't you back up what you are saying and refute my post 2 up where i replied to Wiredguy.

Read explain why you agree so much with what wired guy is saying......

xxxice 04-28-2007 12:47 PM

Interesting

will76 04-28-2007 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12324952)
How many installs did you do for zango? I believe you said you use to speak with them so if they talked to you must have been doing a good volume. We all know you do a lot of traffic.

So how many computers did you help infect, 1000, more than 10,000 ????


Did you even download the shit you were promoting to see how it worked or did you even really care ?

You posted in a previous thread the only reason you stopped was because they didn't pay you.

Hey Wiredguy where did you go Mr 2 cents.

You jumped in this thread to tell me I am doing more harm than good. When in fact you probably infected 1000's of PCs with zango. :upsidedow Then i defend what i am doing here with several reasons stating how I am doing more good than bad and you run like a little bitch.

Why don't you come back and talk about this, or does one sentence comments and run, suit you better.

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he-fox 04-28-2007 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesK (Post 12324874)
Any publicity is good publicity :)

that's a stupid thing to say.

now go to the marketing school.

onlineriches 04-28-2007 09:55 PM

Will is using some pretty harsh language when it comes to Zango.

Last time I checked, they are an adware company not a spyware/malware company.

They clearly lay out terms and what comes bundled with their shit, so in no way are they 'infecting' users. It is very easy to remove, and each popup window clearly identifies the ad is served with Zango and provides links to removal instructions.

It currently conforms to all laws and requirements. They are running a brilliant operation and probably rolling in the dough.

In no way are they 'stealing' your sales, as the user has consented to receiving relevant advertisements to their searching.

Can't blame people for outsmarting the masses and reaping the rewards.

mattz 04-28-2007 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12324342)
simple equation:


Lars + mouth = foot


You whine and whine that poor AFF is getting all the attention and sure enough right when we have turned the spot light off of you and AFF ( see sexbankroll threads) you start posting and stiring shit up again.


I would swear you do it for the attention, LOL and you call me a drama whore.

jesus when will you learn to keep your mouth shut. You just totally put all of the attention back on yourself that was going to sexbankroll... good job dumbass.

Take my advice, shut the fuck up.... and take some PR classes, when you talk i think you say the worst things possible. Someone call Andrew so he can take Lars' keyboard away before he sinks the company.

Yeah Sex Bank Roll is awesome, 1:57 for last period. I'll promote any sponsor that converts that well for $30 for a free trial.

Quickdraw 04-28-2007 11:01 PM

OnlineRiches,
The New York Times dubbed this kind of software as stealware. There is plenty of evidence out there showing exactly what is happening, and has happened. Sure, they morph thier business model a little every time they get into hot water.
http://www.benedelman.org/spyware/180-affiliates
http://www.benedelman.org/news/070804-1.html

If all their installs are so squeaky clean why did they just get fined by the FTC?

Why were they advertising porn to kids they sucked in from a kids site(and even made the graphics especially for children)? A real stand up maneuver from a standup company.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072701620.html

Why do they keep deleting relevant and factual information about them on Wikipedia?
http://www.vitalsecurity.org/2007/04...on-part-5.html

Why do they let the 'affiliate' that did the Myspace phishing continue pushing their scumware?
http://www.vitalsecurity.org/2006/07...l-pushing.html

To say that Zango / Seekmo / Hotbar / 180solutions / Metricsdirect software is easy to uninstall is almost true, depending on how and where you get it. But it certainly leaves a lot of artery clogging shit behind.

If you don't think you are losing sales to this type of software...
Even today you can lose a sale by Zango software popping up someones page that is identical to the page you just sent that surfer to. If that is not facilitating theft, what is? If a surfer is on AFF, why is there any reason to pop another full page of AFF, if not to steal that customer?

Why aren't they a member of the BBB anymore? Here's a link that gives a few details among other information about this thiefware company.
http://www.ghettowebmaster.com/zango...siness-bureau/

Will,
All these people that give you shit about making this public appear to be irritated that you upped their cost per click to steal traffic, or made their cut of the pie that much smaller when doing installs, or both. Those are the only reasons anyone might bitch about exposing scammers and thieves.

onlineriches 04-29-2007 12:31 AM

Quote:

If all their installs are so squeaky clean why did they just get fined by the FTC?
These fines occured years ago before the company merger between hotbar & 180solutions. These fines were very light considering the size of the operation they were running illegally. This allowed them to gain the stranglehold they currently have on the industry.

Quote:

To say that Zango / Seekmo / Hotbar / 180solutions / Metricsdirect software is easy to uninstall is almost true, depending on how and where you get it. But it certainly leaves a lot of artery clogging shit behind.
Zango doesn't leave much behind at all. It is a clean installation and removal, and they even go above and beyond what is required off them for providing removal instructions.

Quote:

If you don't think you are losing sales to this type of software...
Even today you can lose a sale by Zango software popping up someones page that is identical to the page you just sent that surfer to. If that is not facilitating theft, what is? If a surfer is on AFF, why is there any reason to pop another full page of AFF, if not to steal that customer?
Legally, it isn't theft. There has been a history of shadyness around the IT industry from the start. I would be surprised if you could name one big name IT company that didn't get the top by playing dirty.

Everyone should be focused more on the hackers who are actually infecting users instead of consenting users who install Zango.

I hate Zango also, and in no way am I supporting them. However, they are playing within the rules and certainly had a unique idea which has made them rich.

Quickdraw 04-29-2007 01:02 AM

Quote:

These fines occured years ago before the company merger between hotbar & 180solutions. These fines were very light considering the size of the operation they were running illegally. This allowed them to gain the stranglehold they currently have on the industry.
Same people at the top, a name change doesn't relieve responsibility. While the offenses may have happened before the merger, their recent WarnerBros., Myspace, Wikipedia etc. scandals sure don't help their reputation.

http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0523130/index.shtm

Quote:

Zango doesn't leave much behind at all. It is a clean installation and removal, and they even go above and beyond what is required off them for providing removal instructions.
We'll have to agree to differ on that. I really don't think there should be a trace of it left after uninstall. Every time I uninstall it just like Zango recommends, I'll get several traces left over after running a spyware scan. When I run a different malware remover, it will pick up even more. Then searching the registry will turn up more.

Quote:

Legally, it isn't theft. There has been a history of shadyness around the IT industry from the start. I would be surprised if you could name one big name IT company that didn't get the top by playing dirty.
I can't agree that their practices don't facilitate theft. If I just payed Google a buck to get that paying surfer to Sponsor A, and Sponsor A ends up paying themselves or another affiliate for that customer by use of cookies or popping the same exact page over my target page. It certainly isn't a nice thing to do. P.S. I have talked with sponsors that told me that one of the several people targeting their sites was actually Zango themselves. Is it true? Don't know, but I believe them. It might eventually come out someday after a discovery session, who knows.
Saying everyone else is dirty doesn't cut it, imo.

Quote:

Everyone should be focused more on the hackers who are actually infecting users instead of consenting users who install Zango.
I wholeheartedly agree, there is some pretty nefarious shit out there.


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