Big Oil Tax Breaks
 

Does big oil deserve tax breaks. President Bush and the republicans think so.

http://money.excite.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_...=ap-d8v2tung2&

Exxon-Mobil made the largest profit of any US company EVER last year. $42 billion. That's $1331 a second for all those keeping score.

Absolutely ridiculous that these fuckers get any tax breaks. They should be charged with war profiteering.

They own the government so they can get what they want.

We need to vote out everyone of the senators and reps that voted against this bill.

I am so sick of this shit in this country. You can't even buy a car that gets good gas mileage unless it is a hybrid. It's bullshit. We have gone backwards with fuel economy.

of course Bush and the republicans do, they are dumb fucks

i believe that congress either passed or has on the floor a bill to tax big oil an additional 18 billion... of course this will just get passed on to the pump...

I'm sick of the media not covering this shit. Nothing on the news about it at all.

Capitalism at its best :thumbsup

You are a fucking idiot. If it was capitalism they wouldn't have any tax breaks.

Go back to high school.

Isnt it interesting the GFY right wingers are very quiet in this thread.

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Gee a site about oil and gas companies (sponsored by oil and gas companies) saying that is saying an oil and gas company pays high taxes.

Another fucking brilliant post:thumbsup

It was a tax increase.

I agree with the arguments that the rich cover too much of the poor's taxes. But shouldn't these tax breaks be for everyone? Why does Exxon get a tax break but not other companies? Why is their business treated differently than mine? Shouldn't we all be on a level playing field?

from the ceo

?The Corporation distributed a total of $35.6 billion to shareholders in 2007 through dividends and share purchases to reduce shares outstanding, up $3.0 billion from 2006.
?ExxonMobil?s fourth quarter earnings excluding special items were a record $11,660 million, up 18% from the fourth quarter of 2006. Higher crude oil and natural gas realizations and gains on asset sales were partly offset by lower chemical margins.?

The idiots don't understand that any tax increase on oil companies is a tax on everyone who uses oil, gas and even plastics etc..

48% of all Americans own oil stock so it's a double whammy !

And for the record ExxonMobile had 10% profit but Starbucks had a 42% profit. The reason the numbers are so high is because they are the largest company in the world !

I don't care how much they are paying. They made $42 billion profit. That's not before taxes, that's profit. They don't deserve ANY tax breaks. We are getting fucked every day, and they don't give a shit. Doesn't matter that they have screwed up the economy beyond belief. It's all about making obscene profits at the expense of the country and the kids that are dead in Iraq to protect their interests.

The only reason the numbers on the economy have looked better in the past couple of years before this one, is because the Bush admin had a little * after the inflation numbers that said "excluding oil and gas."

Why have oil prices nearly doubled since they received massive tax breaks years ago? Using your philosophy, shouldn't gas prices have gone down?

Typical republican scare tactic. It's not a tax increase you idiot, it's taking away a tax break for exploration. When you are making the largest profit of any US company in the history of the US, you can pay for your own fucking exploration.

BTW I don't need starbucks to get to work and to go to the store. I don't give a fuck about the stock holders either.

"They" aren't a couple people sitting in a board room smoking cigars. "They" are hundreds of thousands of shareholders. If you have an IRA/401K, mutual fund, etc, you probably own a piece of Exxon.

Your reply is proof positive as to why you dont understand the Federal Renewable Energy Legislation and how it relates to the tax breaks and incentives that won bipartisan support since 2001.

2001 oil was $25-30 a barrel. Keep up with current events there sparky.

This is from 2004
"Exxon Mobil is sending retiring CEO and chair, Lee Raymond, off to his golden years with one of the most lavish exit packages in history, a bonanza worth an estimated $398 million total, according to news reports last week."

It's still a public company. If people don't like how they are run, they can sell their stock. He made shareholders a fuckload of money, why would he not be compensated for it? I'm more concerned with companies that lose a ton of money and end up giving their CEO's billions in compensation.

The Federal Renewable Energy Legislation and how it relates to the tax breaks and incentives is current events and something you obviously know nothing about and dont even know how to argue a position. The bipartisan support since 2001 relates to the some 13 open ended bills that have passed through the Senate and House since then that you also know nothing about or you would have brought them up yourself and argued a point.

So let me get this straight. You think it is a good idea to give the company that is making the largest profit in US history a tax break?

Tell me that's not what your saying.

I dont understand people defending Exxon.They must like being fucked or like the idea of paying 5 bucks a gallon. lol

So they should get a tax break then?

Your so hung up on the catch phrases of "Tax Break" and "Big Oil" that no matter what anyone says your going to argue with them. Mainly because your not educated on the issues and until that happens its pointless to try and carry on an debate over an issue you know nothing about.

Read about the F.R.E.L. Bills, read and understand the incentives and pressure it puts on the Oil companies then come back and form a position on the subject.

Tax breaks for Big Oil is just plain ridiculous. Fuck bush and fuck bush's cronies. Most of the top people in our country have direct ties to Big Oil from before they came to power (Condi, Cheney, and Bush to name a few) so they are helping out there friends and themselves and screwing over everyone else.

This administration has made so much money for Big Oil and companies like Haliburton and Blackwater it's absolutely insane and they will be handsomely compensated once they are out of office by all of these companies and they know it.

You are so hung up on points in a bill that you can't seem to see the big picture. Every bill has tons of stuff that is good, and stuff that is shitty. Yes there are tax breaks for alternate energy, but they tax breaks they are taking away are for the exploration of more oil.

You still haven't answered the simple question? Do you think they should keep their tax breaks?

I know I can't keep up with your superior brain, but try and appease me.

Exxon's profits after taxes on that was only 10%. Not atypical for a public company.

OK, I am looking at XOM.

Earnings before taxes. 66313
Income taxes. 27113
So that is 41%

Not sure what tax credits there are on the other side. Anyone know what that brings their effective tax rate to? 35% 37%? I dunno.

Exxon alone pays more in taxes than the bottom 50% of all taxpayers in America.

So the tax breaks would have totaled $17 billion over 10 years spread out over all companies. I'm gonna take a wild guess and say XOM would have received 1/3 of these breaks. So $566 million/year. For a company that paid $27 billion in taxes. It's really neither here or there. It's not going to hurt XOM to remove the breaks. It wasn't a tremendous help either. 5.4 billion shares outstanding. An extra 10 cents per share on a stock trading at about $90/share.

The bigger question is what kind of effect the tax had on smaller companies and I have no idea.

The UK gives tax breaks to their oil companies. 75% of the taxes paid by the top 74 UK companies came from oil companies

Tony, I don't get your point. How will increasing the taxes on an energy company's profits decrease prices at the pump? Or similarly, how will removing a tax break decrease profits at the pump?

Also, higher prices at the pump don't always equate to higher profits for the energy companies. The large integrated energy companies have a mixture of profits from exploration, refining margins and sales. A pretty complicated mix. Watch the "crack spread". This is the refining margin which is only $8.31 NYMEX right now. Lowest it has been in over a year. This will really have an effect on a company like Conoco Phillips.

Why not defend Exxon? What has Exxon done wrong? XOM isn't controlling the price per barrel or the price at the pump. XOM is exploring for petrol products, refining them, shipping them, marketing them and selling them at market prices. They are a well-run company. A well-oiled machine.

You are correct...tax breaks would not affect the price at the pumps (tax increases could very well affect the price at the pumps as the oil companies do not operate at a large profit margin)...in addition I am all for tax breaks...specifically for any R&D done by the oil companies...as it will be they that develop alternative energy as they know that oil is a finite resource and will be dwindling in exponential leaps as "3rd world nations" increase their use of oil. In addition when adjusted for inflation gas prices are not much different then they have ever been.

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If only the average American knew how right you are.