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Barefootsies 10-28-2008 03:57 PM

Shooting Niches & Micro Niches
 
Do you think that any content producer can shoot any niche out there?

I can only speak to my experience, but do you think non-foot people can shoot foot content that sells? Same as a tit, ass, bdsm, or other niche requires a specific photographer or producer... or..... do you think anyone with a camera can shoot stuff that will sell and convert?

:helpme

TurboAngel 10-28-2008 03:58 PM

I'm not sure.

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 03:59 PM

I would like to hear from Gunn, Markham, and Bradley in particular.
:winkwink:

After Shock Media 10-28-2008 03:59 PM

Possible yet unlikely for the majority, assuming you mean shoot it and get it right according to the eventual customers idea of how it should be.

Va2k 10-28-2008 04:01 PM

Fuck no!! I have yet to see someone shoot something real good that wasn't into what they were shooting?? But then again *shrugs*

TurboAngel 10-28-2008 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14965709)
I would like to hear from Gunn, Markham, and Bradley in particular.
:winkwink:

I though you wanted to hear from me.



:winkwink:

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14965729)
Possible yet unlikely for the majority, assuming you mean shoot it and get it right according to the eventual customers idea of how it should be.

Good input.

This question comes up now and again when someone asks me to shoot for them. I know I could never shoot an ass, or breast, or blonde site. It would have to have some kind of foot love in it for me to be able to, or even WANT to shoot it. Regardless of the money.

But some content producers claim they can shoot anything for a price.

I am curious as to what the other vets out there think, or have failed at, in the endevors.

Va2k 10-28-2008 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboAngel (Post 14965775)
I though you wanted to hear from me.



:winkwink:

haha They think footfetish is a women sucking a dick and showing her bare feet!! LMAO :Oh crap

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fungus (Post 14965749)
Fuck no!! I have yet to see someone shoot something real good that wasn't into what they were shooting??

Same here. But there are those who claim they can shoot anything. Maybe they can. I know for me, and other footie folk, we can tell when someone does not have a foot fetish a hundred miles away.

DBS.US 10-28-2008 04:11 PM

No, No, and Fuck No:2 cents:

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fungus (Post 14965789)
haha They think footfetish is a women sucking a dick and showing her bare feet!! LMAO :Oh crap

Exactly right!!

Adam X 10-28-2008 04:11 PM

feet... its an acquired taste

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Porndude (Post 14965799)
feet... its an acquired taste

True.

But I can only reference my experience and preference.

For those in other niches, I was wondering if you think it possible to shoot if you are not into the fetish, and to shoot it right?

Va2k 10-28-2008 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14965794)
Same here. But there are those who claim they can shoot anything. Maybe they can. I know for me, and other footie folk, we can tell when someone does not have a foot fetish a hundred miles away.

Yea no kidding, I run several foot related websites and it kills me when I see people open a new so called FOOT Fetish site lol and its the same ole crap wwc sells or the other so called content stores! *shrgus* Don't really matter though each their own :disgust

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fungus (Post 14965829)
Yea no kidding, I run several foot related websites and it kills me when I see people open a new so called FOOT Fetish site lol and its the same ole crap wwc sells or the other so called content stores! *shrgus* Don't really matter though each their own :disgust

Agreed.

Companies spending thousands to shoot a new site's worth of material, and basically it turns into bare foot chicks doing hardcore, softcore, or lesbian whatever. A clip is 10 minutes long, and has 10 seconds of toe love. Or some hardcore scene, and because he licked the bottom of her foot once, they try and pass that shit off as foot fetish.

Other than DDF, there are maybe a dozen others out there in the online foot fetish niche who shoot it right. But there are probably hundreds of sites. Although most are filled with rerun shit we have seen for the past 10 years.

Especially from that old fuck.. photo Greg dude.

DAMNMAN 10-28-2008 04:31 PM

I think the really good shooters have found something they like shooting and understand it, that said one must have the ability to shoot video/photos well in general.
A person can do research into the workings of fetishes and garner enough understanding to at least do a reasonable job of it. I like to understand something before I shoot it and it has worked out well so far, I also have a shit load of sexual proclivities. (Which helps)

I have shot everything from foot fetish to cuckold all the way to gyno and all points in between. I have studied extensively to be a sick fuck !!!!!! >;-))

Va2k 10-28-2008 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14965844)
Agreed.

Companies spending thousands to shoot a new site's worth of material, and basically it turns into bare foot chicks doing hardcore, softcore, or lesbian whatever. A clip is 10 minutes long, and has 10 seconds of toe love. Or some hardcore scene, and because he licked the bottom of her foot once, they try and pass that shit off as foot fetish.

Other than DDF, there are maybe a dozen others out there in the online foot fetish niche who shoot it right. But there are probably hundreds of sites. Although most are filled with rerun shit we have seen for the past 10 years.

Especially from that old fuck.. photo Greg dude.

haha Photogreg lmao I have all his shit in my members area as filler which some peeps cont to look at, but I heard that he had a stroke after his woman left him and now he is on the streets *shrugs* He always lied his ass off so who knows what the truth is...

Grapesoda 10-28-2008 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14965709)
I would like to hear from Gunn, Markham, and Bradley in particular.
:winkwink:

I can shoot foot, panty, pantyhose, bbw, up-skirt, down-blouse, shoe, some gay and a few other minor niche however I'm not the guy to shoot hardcore bondage or any of the other hardcore fetishes. I can photograph the stuff, just can't set it up. would need a 'rigger' etc...

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fungus (Post 14965892)
haha Photogreg lmao I have all his shit in my members area as filler which some peeps cont to look at, but I heard that he had a stroke after his woman left him and now he is on the streets *shrugs* He always lied his ass off so who knows what the truth is...

I have heard some stories as well about dat cracka from the conferences.

Apparently he burned every bridge on his way out of town, and the industry...

GregE 10-28-2008 04:39 PM

If you're a good enough technician and/or artist and you take the trouble to research the subject matter I got to figure that you'll get good or better results most of the time.

If you're actually into the subject matter however it is infinitely easier to get kick ass results on damn near every occasion (and decent results the rest of the time).

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14965902)
I can shoot foot, panty, pantyhose, bbw, up-skirt, down-blouse, shoe, some gay and a few other minor niche however I'm not the guy to shoot hardcore bondage or any of the other hardcore fetishes. I can photograph the stuff, just can't set it up. would need a 'rigger' etc...

Interesting.

With all the of the threads on the board this year talking about how everyone needs to get into the niches, and micro niches to make any money. I thought this would be an interesting discussion. Especially for the seasoned vets mentioned.

I know I have read plenty of threads over the years where people have tried to get into the niches, and failed. I have seen plenty in my foot tenure fail as well. But its so obvious that no help is needed in spotting non-foot fetish folk behind the camera.

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GregE (Post 14965928)
If you're a good enough technician and/or artist and you take the trouble to research the subject matter I got to figure that you'll get good or better results most of the time.

Good of better results than someone with a fetish, shooting the fetish???

Not a chance.

bhutocracy 10-28-2008 04:45 PM

I dunno. I think if you had half a brain it wouldn't be that hard to shoot good content in whatever niche even if you weren't into it and had never seen it before. It just means you spend a night going through the highest rated sites in that niche and working out that it doesn't mean a 5 second hint of it in a 30 min hardcore scene (I say a night asuming it's a one off shoot, obvious if you're going to try and "break" into the niche it's months of research). Even if you had to print out screenies every min to make a "storyboard" for the shoot and just copy what the good guys are doing. I think the only difference is knowing innately what to shoot and how to shoot it and having to put some research into it... The guy that loves his work will probably always be ahead in adherence to the niche by 5-10% but a talented person that actually takes the time to work out what's going on can be almost indistinguishable... I guess like most things, most people aren't talented and too stupid to spend the time. Although I will add, 5 second foot licks are more likely a financial decision than a creative one.. ie "we need to fill out the member's area - uh here's some vaguely related dvds that might bost retention 5% by tripling the content".

tony286 10-28-2008 04:45 PM

I think if its not your thing. As a shooter you dont know what to focus on and what the person in the fetish would like to see.

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14965960)
I think if its not your thing. As a shooter you dont know what to focus on and what the person in the fetish would like to see.

Agreed...

GregE 10-28-2008 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14965942)
Good of better results than someone with a fetish, shooting the fetish???

Not a chance.

You're right. I chose my words poorly.

What I meant to say was good or better than just plain good, but not the kick ass results you could expect from someone who's actually into the fetish :)

bhutocracy 10-28-2008 04:50 PM

I re-read the question.. no I don't think ANY content producer can shoot any niche... only the cream of the crop.

Grapesoda 10-28-2008 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14965936)
Interesting.

With all the of the threads on the board this year talking about how everyone needs to get into the niches, and micro niches to make any money. I thought this would be an interesting discussion. Especially for the seasoned vets mentioned.

I know I have read plenty of threads over the years where people have tried to get into the niches, and failed. I have seen plenty in my foot tenure fail as well. But its so obvious that no help is needed in spotting non-foot fetish folk behind the camera.

I love to shoot feet (hands too) and I've spoken with lots of foot guys about what they like. me personally, my take is it's a dominate/sub-dominate thing. and I know dirty feet are cool as well as cracked toenails etc, as well as 'pristine' feet. that's how I approach foot fetish.

I love pantyhose however I would need the client to tell me which brands to get again.... it's very specific and I would need to be reminded. as far as panty fetish, I love panties and upskirt :)

the shoe stuff is like the pantyhose to me... I would need the client to tell me which shoes to use and show me a few ''right' sets.

just like BG sex. I shoot it all the time and I know which shots to hit however I have no personal interest in it all really.

my personal fav is hands and eyes and mouths and well 'vaginas'

if you'd like to speak with me I have an idea for a micro-niche site that would be a real kick to shoot and I think it would do well :)

-bmb

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 14965984)
I re-read the question.. no I don't think ANY content producer can shoot any niche... only the cream of the crop.

True dat playa

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14966048)
I love to shoot feet (hands too) and I've spoken with lots of foot guys about what they like. me personally, my take is it's a dominate/sub-dominate thing. and I know dirty feet are cool as well as cracked toenails etc, as well as 'pristine' feet. that's how I approach foot fetish.

I love pantyhose however I would need the client to tell me which brands to get again.... it's very specific and I would need to be reminded. as far as panty fetish, I love panties and upskirt :)

the shoe stuff is like the pantyhose to me... I would need the client to tell me which shoes to use and show me a few ''right' sets.

just like BG sex. I shoot it all the time and I know which shots to hit however I have no personal interest in it all really.

my personal fav is hands and eyes and mouths and well 'vaginas'

if you'd like to speak with me I have an idea for a micro-niche site that would be a real kick to shoot and I think it would do well :)

-bmb

Informative.

Nah brotha. I shoot my own toe porn.

No bradley needed:winkwink:

DAMNMAN 10-28-2008 05:17 PM

Luckily for me between my wife Shannon Rush and I we cover alot of fetish room in what we like and have done. I can shoot most any fetish and have a really good time doing it and shoot a smokin' scene ta boot.

I like to understand the mind set of the intended audience first though, so I get it right.

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by grege (Post 14965981)
you're right. I chose my words poorly.

What i meant to say was good or better than just plain good, but not the kick ass results you could expect from someone who's actually into the fetish :)

:) :) :)

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DAMNMAN (Post 14966131)
Luckily for me between my wife Shannon Rush and I we cover alot of fetish room in what we like and have done. I can shoot most any fetish and have a really good time doing it and shoot a smokin' scene ta boot.

I like to understand the mind set of the intended audience first though, so I get it right.

Do you understand the mind of a salad tosser?

DAMNMAN 10-28-2008 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14966138)
Do you understand the mind of a salad tosser?

Quite assuredly!!!!!!!!!!! I don't even have to research that one. ROTFLMAO:1orglaugh

Va2k 10-28-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14966138)
Do you understand the mind of a salad tosser?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Or the mind of someone that likes sounding? :Oh crap:disgust

Jim_Gunn 10-28-2008 05:35 PM

I wouldn't say that any producer could do a good job of filming any and every niche that they weren't into, but many of the talented ones could if they were really motivated to learn. I have a few fetishes myself so I tend to indulge them in my own movies. I would tend to gravitate towards certain niches that I liked if I was going to film some niche videos. If I got hired to film something that I wasn't particularly into like foot fetish, and I did my research, I have confidence that I could do a great job with it. The only things I wouldn't even attempt to film would be gay porn, she-males, or cigarette smoking videos. I just don't wanna be in the room for those!

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DAMNMAN (Post 14966192)
Quite assuredly!!!!!!!!!!! I don't even have to research that one. ROTFLMAO:1orglaugh

Spread the cheeks and bury her face in there...

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 14966206)
The only things I wouldn't even attempt to film would be gay porn, she-males, or cigarette smoking videos. I just don't wanna be in the room for those!



How about gay, "cig", smoking three way?

:Oh crap:Oh crap

Grapesoda 10-28-2008 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14966130)
Informative.

Nah brotha. I shoot my own toe porn.

No bradley needed:winkwink:

who said anything about toe porn? :winkwink:

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fungus (Post 14966196)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Or the mind of someone that likes sounding? :Oh crap:disgust



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