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Tube sites that pull all the big tube sites videos

I have been seeing more and more sites like http://cliphunter.com/ that are using up the big tubes bandwidth and embedding the big tubes content and or linking to there flvs. I just saw a database here for sale with 250,000 of there videos for you to put into your database and i am wondering how this might change things if at all.

I have a couple questions about this.

1. Is this something that the big tubes can block or would they want to?
2. Could this affect them in a way that they might have to shut down if enough people do this or will it just help them?
3. Is this legal being that the person is not hosting the stolen content and only linking to it?
4. Do you think sites like this could get a lot of traffic because http://cliphunter.com is 1,146 on alexa
5. How will google handle this? do you think they might stop indexing pages with embedded videos because this could litter the search engine.
6. I own http://www.biggestporntube.com which is 100% legal with all the sponsors banners on the videos pages and see it hard to compete. If someone were to build a site like mine and cliphunter put together would the sponsors have a problem with it being that it will steel traffic from the big tubes and bring it back to them even though the big tubes content have stolen shit from sponsors?

to be continued..

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Bump for some mature answers. Like i am going to get that here :1orglaugh

Oh this is a thread about your tube site? Oh okay... see sig for traffic then.

What's a tube site?

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Who would have thunk it, huh?

no its about our industry changing and about people taking back from thieves! :thumbsup

1] Yes, it's easy to block. Sites like redtube.com etc do. Do they all want to? Who knows.
2] Depends on the tube. See above.
3] Try hotlinking childporn and see if that defense works ;)
4] Yes?
5] I'll leave this to someone in the know to answer
6] Mixed legal / illegal tubes sites exist. They're called 'illegal' ;)

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Save a bullet for me.

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1. I think your wrong because i see redtubes stuff on these kinds of sites along with those of others. The only real way I know for them to block it is to change there codes which would cause them to lose traffic.

3. But if her not hosting it and a bot pulled it into your site then i think it would be on the person hosting it. But anyways we are not talking about child porn we are talking about the big tubes content.

4. Then my guess is, once more of these sites take the traffic from the big ones like redtube and pornhub the big boys wont be able to pay there bandwidth bill because they will have a lot of bandwidth going through the server but less traffic to there site.
6. I think your wrong because if your not hosting the stuff your not technically steeling it. example: If topbucks or bangbros or some big program found there content on a site like redtube they would send the dmca notice to redtube, the one hosting it that the embedded player is linking to because if they didnt the content would get pulled from the linking site and not redtube and all the others that link to it and stream it.

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And you own a website? Wow.

You want to be mature and explain? Or you to be childish like a some other peps around here that are nobodies because with that comment you fit right in! :1orglaugh

Hey Donny, when dmca is sent out it is also sent to the sites linking to it. We have dmca'ed google for instance and had links pulled down.

So if someone who owns that content sees you linking to it...they will ask you to take it down. And if they don't see you linking to it, but rather go straight to the source of the stolen content then you'll have a broken video.

If I were you, yes...I'd use the illegit tubes bandwidth and link up to the paysite who owns the video with your affiliate code. And keep a close eye on that vid to make sure it works.

With as many vids as you have on your tube, it may be a bit difficult to pull that off because you have so many.

well said but sending a dmca notice to everyone linking to it is pointless because as you just said if you get it pulled from the main site stealing it then it doesnt work on anyone elses sites. As far as doing this with my tube I would try it but cant because i am running a nubiles tube script and they will not allow it. Another good question would be though if they sponsors would be mad at a site for doing this to promote there stuff?

Yes, but dmca'ing forums, and sites that link to torrent files on TBP are VERY useful.

As far as whether sponsors are okay with it or not. I would say it would depend upon your relationship with the sponsors in question. If they know you and like you and trust your judgement to send sales...then that would obviously weigh in their decision. If you are unfamiliar with the owner of a program and were worried about ramifications, then I would write them and explain what you are going to do. Of course, at that point they will probably dmca the offending video down that you are hotlinking to.

In the long run you'd be better off hosting vids yourself and staying within guidelines. Tarpy is walking a line over there at cliphunter. So far successfully, but still...it's very gray.

Donny Long

- industry representative of changing times...

1 ) Yes, but it's not worth it.
2 ) It affects them, but in most cases positively
3 ) No
4 ) No comment
5 ) Ask google not me
6 ) Nonsense question, no real answer here

sounds to me like the big tubes can be in some big trouble here soon. I think this thread also explains a little. THEY CANT DO SHIT BY THE COURT OF LAW!
they can bitch, complain, threaten and do whatever they want but at the end of the day people having the balls to stand up to them like this guy below in the link will win. DMCA only applies if your hosting the content and own copyright no? Because if you take a video, picture, article whatever from a site and post it on your site and link to the public free content they are putting out. as long as you put a link to where you got it you are not breaking any laws. Correct me if anyone thinks I am wrong!

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/883165-brazzers-bitchy-notice.html

You need to go back and check over DMCA a bit more...

so are you saying GFY can get a dmca notice everytime someone hotlinks a picture or youtube video here come on?

I could answer all those questions correctly, but instead, I think I'll just post a smiley.

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did I hit a nerve hehehehe

I'm not saying anything about gfy...

I'm extremely appreciative that more and more people are out there, like you, trying to educate themselves on the issues... but education often involves a lot of study and very lil talk... Get some more study time put in and you'll be ready for a discussion on DMCA ifs, ands, or buts...

ok instead why dont you try and answer this?
1. Could http://www.cliphunter.com get DMCA notices from redtube pornhub and all the other sites he is embedding?
2. DMCA is pretty much worthless anyways here is why no?
Person buys overseas server put all of brazzers members area on it and brazzers sends out a DMCA to a company that is hosting it overseas and the hosting company replies that they dont need to follow DMCA or maybe doesnt even reply at all, then what?

In your given scenario:

1. Cliphunter could get DMCA from original content owner... whether embedded on your site or hosted local.
2. DMCA is recognized by WIPO, and has been followed up with similar legislature in most areas.

1. yes from the person that owns the content but redtube or pornhub lets say is where he got the embbed video cannot right? because they dont own it!
2.most not all so that was not my question. lets say its in a area where they dont ! then what? something like this already happened if you read http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/883165-brazzers-bitchy-notice-2.html about brazzers sending a DMCA notice to a website hosted in Australia that just had one of there videos on it and the hosting company basiclly told them to fuck off they don't have to follow DMCA

1. Is neither here nor there... Breaking the law is breaking the law... Ask robin hood about that one.
2. Last I checked Australia recognizes WIPO... but there are always variables

1.show me the law that that would be breaking?
2. I just showed you someone saying they dont but lets just say its another country that doesnt then what? Brazzersforfree.com?

Everyone is simply going to have to move to encrypted streaming videos for their sites and then start going after the sites using their current content. It won't be a "fix all" but it sure as well help.

No more downloading content. Your members will get over it.