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Should birth control be mandatory if you are on welfare?
I saw a story today on the news about a woman who is on welfare and has 12 kids. She is pregnant with number 13 and says she will be getting pregnant again with number 14 as soon as she can. Her reason is that she has a dream of having twins and says she will keep having kids until she gets pregnant with twins or triplets.
Clearly this is someone who has some mental problems. I was talking about this with some friends today and we all agreed that part of getting welfare should be that you are required to be on birth control. You have to get the implant or the shot. No doctors proof that you are on birth control, no check. Sound fair? |
is she Catholic ?
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People already called Obama and the Democrats communist and talk about how evil "big government" is so of course something like forced birth control would just put those criticisms to rest. And even if the neo-con Obama haters would be for something like that, who is paying for this birth control? Certainly not the people so poor they are on welfare. So it's everyone else. And then the neo-con Obama haters would complain about that.
Hell I hate to see people who are on food stamps that smoke. How can you be too poor to feed yourself but have enough money for cigarettes? I also can't stand seeing people on food stamps that buy soda, chips, snack cakes etc etc., and expensive cuts of meat. They need to restrict what you can buy with food stamps. |
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I have a lot of friends who have babies here just to get a free house. Then after they have one, they have more to get bigger houses. Somebody should stop it
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Another friend of mine used to work in a grocery store for years and there was one family that would come in and buy a bunch of food on food stamps and then load it into their 45K brand new suburban. |
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im not sure what circumstance would convince me to agree with govt forced birth control...
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there should be some kind of control when it comes to people like this
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So you're saying that if poor people want to eat, they have to promise not to reproduce.
What you are suggesting is a sort of reverse eugenics done under the guise of responsible social policy. No way anything like this will ever be allowed, nor should it. People who are are poor and need social assistance most likely have a history of making bad decisions. We have to accept that people receiving public aid may use it inappropriately and the fact that they do doesn't mean the system doesn't provide a real benefit. I would rather live in a country with a wasteful and bloated welfare system than in a country where the government forces a certain segment of the population to not procreate. Giving up a basic human right in order to save a few tax dollars is a lousy deal. |
dunno about forced, but offer an incentive to NOT have oodles of kids. afaik, the more kids you shit out the bigger your checks/aid gets.
I'd gladly pay for their birth control if it meant there were less "walking paychecks" in this country |
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how many children could a single mom on welfare have, before the govt intervenes and forces birth control on her...? |
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Still, there are, as you say, people who have a history of making bad choices. Maybe making them accountable for their actions and making them act in a responsible manner will help to change that. If you say to someone, "we will help you support your kid and help you get an education and get a job, but in return you can't have any more kids while this is happening." I don't see the big deal. You aren't telling them they can't have ever have more kids. You aren't sterilizing them, you are just telling them right now you can't care for the kid(s) you have, the responsible thing to do is not bring another kid into this world and we are going to make sure that while we are supporting you that you do the responsible thing. |
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But in my mind if you have one kid and go on welfare, clearly (for whatever reason) you need help caring for that kid so the responsible thing to do is to not have another kid. |
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Thats why socialism for ants, but not for humans :winkwink: |
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I'm sure there are more than a few that abuse the system but this doesn't mean you have to get it ruined for everyone else. If you think this is indeed a problem the best preventive method would be better education. |
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I understand there could still be abuse. There is nothing from stopping a woman from going on welfare then getting a job for a little while and going off it, getting pregnant and going back on it. No system is perfect, but this would stop many of the people for whom welfare is a career. But I do agree with the education part. We should be teaching kids about birth control from about 8th grade on. The problem is there are many parts of this country where all they teach is abstinence which means they end up with a lot of pregnant teenagers. |
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while even one child is a big responsibility, how the fuck You will take care of them all with a balanced way? not just people on welfair, everyone should forced to stop giving birth after 2 children at least. i can't sacrifice my own rights and freedom due to some stupid freak wants to produce like a factory :mad: |
Imho this is a non issue. There are so many sectors where taxpayers money are wasted that having less little fuckers around won't change a thing.
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You are very narrow minded if you think those "stupid freaks" are in any way affecting your rights or freedoms. You have the right to shut the fuck up. |
welfare needs to be radically changed. instead of being a temporary solution, too many have made it a way of life. you should only be allowed to be on welfare for 6 months after unemployment runs out. after that, you're on your own. that would stop morons like this women from giving birth to a small army.
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Absolutely. It gives you one more incentive to get yourself off of it. My first job was at a grocery store. I would say that 3 out of every 4 people who paid in food stamps or WIC used their cash for cigs, beer, star magazine, etc....and then did my personal favorite.....took their stuff out to their brand new car. Oh...and did I mention their gold jewelry?
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Not everyone on welfare is out having babies or trying to get knocked up, they didn't always make bad choices - shit does happen, they don't all have big ticket items because not everyone once had lots of money or acts like they have money.
Some people..... actually need it. |
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You'll need those kids to grow up and enter the porn industry...
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ice ice baby
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while Les Population means more resources, more food, more water per person, better education, more population means possible high crime rate, mass poverty, high amount of uneducated people etc. should i say more? Last year with My chinese mate and i were talking about China and India comparison, he said even today there is no more limitation to giving birth in China, No one will be wanting to have more then 1-2 kids, because they learned economical way of thinking. he also said and we both agreed that in sooner then later India's population may grow more then China's population. actually even population increase in last decade shows that it is not impossible. *** so i advise You to think twice before You post something next time, that will save You from sounding like a retard :321GFY:321GFY:321GFY |
what irritates me is when you read the "Garey is 19 and going to Iraq next month" stories, first thing they usually ALWAYS say, "Gary and Kelly have been trying for months to get pregnant which she now is" then dad gets shipped off to Iraq.
That is terrible parenting from the start. Baby enters world with no father around just liuke welfare moms, they are the same in my eyes. Mommy sits home watching Lifetime collecting check while daddy is playing with guns in Baghdad. |
birth control and random drug testing.
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ha what a bunch of white trash responses. classic.
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I don't know about forced, it would be nice to see it offered for free though. What's the price of providing birth control vs the cost of supporting these children via welfare? Makes sense to me, but will probably never happen as long as we have issues like conservatives who want to teach abstinence as the only form of birth control in schools.
Religious dogma aside it's socially irresponsible to not recognize that the majority of people are going to have sex for reasons other than procreation. As long as there are people in government who feel passionately that providing condoms or even teaching safe sex in schools is promoting sin and moral corruption we will suffer. |
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in czech republic they sterilized gypsy women after their child birth without their knowledge - huge scandal.
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