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mayabong 04-22-2010 11:27 AM

Fox news great job at debunking 9/11 for good.
 
Great article from a fox news reporter who was actually on the scene. According to his article though, Larry Silverstein's buildings are always wired for controlled demolition, and it was no secret, there was no conspiracy.

Of course fox attacks Jesse Ventura cause he has long hair and smokes pot, but will not go after Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at the US Army War College who flat out said it was was an inside job and israel was behind it, last month. Fair and Balanced! ROFL

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Jesse Ventura should be ashamed of himself and embarrassed.

The former Minnesota governor recently lent his political credentials to the discredited 9/11 ?Truther? movement by alleging that the Sept. 11 attacks were either planned or permitted by the United States government.

This recent admission was only a small part of Ventura?s new book, ?American Conspiracies: Lies, Lies and More Lies the Government Tells Us,? which echoes a revisionist account of American history that holds the Bush administration responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks by implying that the Bush administration either knew about the attacks, did nothing to stop them or actually participated in them.

During a March 10 interview with Barbara Walters on ?The View,? Ventura implied the Bush/Cheney administration used 9/11 as a pretense to start the Iraq War under false pretenses. Ventura apparently developed this theory after former Kennedy/Johnson adviser Robert McNamara visited him at Harvard and allegedly admitted to him that the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which escalated the Vietnam War, never actually happened.

Perhaps what Ventura is missing is that there is probably more incontrovertible evidence and more witnesses who have already established what happened on Sept. 11, 2001 than most major historical events. To dispute the conventional historical account is intellectually dishonest and nonsensical.

I know this because I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard.

Although I arrived at Ground Zero shortly after the Twin Towers fell, I was in the danger zone created by Building 7 from the moment it collapsed in the afternoon, an event that is one of the key cornerstones of the 9/11 conspiracy theory.

Governor Ventura and many 9/11 ?Truthers? allege that government explosives caused the afternoon collapse of Building 7. This is false. I know this because I remember watching all 47 stories of Building 7 suddenly and silently crumble before my eyes.

Shortly before the building collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building ? since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall.

A controlled demolition would have minimized the damage caused by the building?s imminent collapse and potentially save lives. Many law enforcement personnel, firefighters and other journalists were aware of this possible option. There was no secret. There was no conspiracy.
While I was talking with a fellow reporter and several NYPD officers, Building 7 suddenly collapsed, and before it hit the ground, not a single sound emanated from the tower area. There were no explosives; I would have heard them. In fact, I remember that in those few seconds, as the building sank to the ground that I was stunned by how quiet it was.

The myth that Building 7 was blown up by the U.S. government is false ? and so is the broader theory that our government was somehow involved in the 9/11 attacks. I know this because I was one of the few reporters who investigated 9/11 conspiracy theories and urban legends on location in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy.

In October 2001, I reported on a story for Gannett newspaper, The Journal News, that the FBI Joint Terrorist Task Force was investigating a Brooklyn high school student for predicting the collapse of the World Trade Center five days before it happened.

To my surprise, the NYC Board of Education confirmed the story on the record and the FBI confirmed there had been rumors circulating in the New York City Arab-American community about a possible attack on Manhattan. My story was immediately confirmed by Newsweek Senior Editor Jonathan Alter, and after I penned a follow up in The Washington Times magazine, ?Insight,? I was interviewed by Fox News? Bill O?Reilly on ?The O?Reilly Factor.?

My investigation into 9/11 conspiracy theories and urban legends led me to interview both American and Israeli intelligence officials as well as representatives of the Afghan Northern Alliance, FBI, NYPD and sources within the Muslim community of New York City.

Although I found trace evidence that vague rumors circulated within the Arab-American community that ?something was going to happen? in ?lower downtown Manhattan? on Sept. 11, I found no evidence of any conspiracy other than the one hatched by Al Qaeda that was later confirmed by the 9/11 Commission.

Since Al Qaeda once operated out of the Alkifah Refugee Center on Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn and had many low level operatives working in the NYC area, it did not surprise me that rumors of their plan had leaked within the Arab-American community of New York. Many similar rumors and reports occur frequently, however, and so I have never faulted the Arab-American community or our government for not acting upon them.

In no instance did I ever once talk to one source who even hinted the American government had any foreknowledge or involvement in the Sept. 11 attacks. As an investigative reporter who survived the collapse of Building 7 and doggedly investigated 9/11 conspiracy theories in the wake of the attack, I am convinced the 9/11 ?Truther? movement is nothing more than a paranoid, delusional pack of lies.

hypedough 04-22-2010 11:48 AM

LOL @ the crickets, sorry I had to :winkwink: I think I'm the only person with you not on ignore so maybe it's a good thing for you? Either way, fuck Fox and no one will ever know the real truth behind 9/11 IMHO. Neither you nor I know anything legitimate that wasn't read/seen on the web.

mayabong 04-22-2010 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by hypedough (Post 17063944)
LOL @ the crickets, sorry I had to :winkwink: I think I'm the only person with you not on ignore so maybe it's a good thing for you? Either way, fuck Fox and no one will ever know the real truth behind 9/11 IMHO. Neither you nor I know anything legitimate that wasn't read/seen on the web.

Thanks buddy, :)

J. Falcon 04-22-2010 11:52 AM

Jesse Ventura is my hero:








Amputate Your Head 04-22-2010 11:57 AM

Fox "News"... lol
they are less credible than religion.

mayabong 04-22-2010 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 17063968)
Jesse Ventura is my hero:








Yeah his book isn't half bad, quick read backed up with documentation. Glad to see a few people on this board are open to things. I don't even ignore demon.

Gouge 04-22-2010 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17063880)
Great article from a fox news reporter who was actually on the scene. According to his article though, Larry Silverstein's buildings are always wired for controlled demolition, and it was no secret, there was no conspiracy.

Of course fox attacks Jesse Ventura cause he has long hair and smokes pot, but will not go after Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at the US Army War College who flat out said it was was an inside job and israel was behind it, last month. Fair and Balanced! ROFL

You do realise that Gannett News is owned and operated by Gannett Company, Inc. and not News Corp. that owns Fox News.

On a side note, Dr. Alan Sabrosky has not only been on Red Eye but the Alan Colmes Radio show and Geraldo Rivera's show debating the Popular Science magazine theories.

So in one fail swoop i have destroyed your entire post by knowing facts rather than making things up like you did up above.

Another uneducated Fucktard destroyed...whos next?

Serge Litehead 04-22-2010 12:42 PM

so it was a controlled demolition. why didn't they clear that up before? "building7 caught on fire and fall by itself" wasn't much credible to begin with.

mayabong 04-22-2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 17064075)
You do realise that Gannett News is owned and operated by Gannett Company, Inc. and not News Corp. that owns Fox News.

On a side note, Dr. Alan Sabrosky has not only been on Red Eye but the Alan Colmes Radio show and Geraldo Rivera's show debating the Popular Science magazine theories.

So in one fail swoop i have destroyed your entire post by knowing facts rather than making things up like you did up above.

Another uneducated Fucktard destroyed...whos next?

Hmm was I debating who owned fox news? I don't trust any mainstream news station. Second, my question is why aren't they covering the fact that people in the military actually think that israel was behind this. If alan was on their shows I never heard them, but I believe you.

Thirdly, the main point of my post is that the reporter himself is saying that controlled demolition was an option and that everyone on the scene knew this. Are all buildings wired to come down at any time in NYC? This takes weeks of planning. Seems his attempt at crushing the truther movement actually made it stronger.

You didn't destroy anything in my post cause you totally ignored the main point I was bringing up, and called me a fucktard, just like O'rielly would do. BAaa

mayabong 04-22-2010 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by holograph (Post 17064146)
so it was a controlled demolition. why didn't they clear that up before? "building7 caught on fire and fall by itself" wasn't much credible to begin with.

They didn't make it clear cause it takes weeks to plan a controlled demolition, and that would indicate a plan. Of course don't listen to me this is all crazy talk. Everyone knows you can just run up into a building with a few explosives in a moments notice (even when the foundation is in an unstable state) and bring it down.

MediaGuy 04-22-2010 01:19 PM

Just cause some Gannet guy says he was there doesn't debunk anything. There were plenty of people who were there, cops, firemen and other city workers, who will testify to the opposite of what he says.

:D

Gouge 04-22-2010 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17064160)
Hmm was I debating who owned fox news? I don't trust any mainstream news station. Second, my question is why aren't they covering the fact that people in the military actually think that israel was behind this. If alan was on their shows I never heard them, but I believe you.

Thirdly, the main point of my post is that the reporter himself is saying that controlled demolition was an option and that everyone on the scene knew this. Are all buildings wired to come down at any time in NYC? This takes weeks of planning. Seems his attempt at crushing the truther movement actually made it stronger.

You didn't destroy anything in my post cause you totally ignored the main point I was bringing up, and called me a fucktard, just like O'rielly would do. BAaa

You said "Great article from a fox news reporter who was actually on the scene." But in the article is says he works for Gannett News, there is no relation between the two companies. If Bill O'Reilly actually called someone a Fucktard on his show he wouldn't have a job.

And the rest of what you said i cant even comment on becuase we still have no idea who this so called reporter is that wrote the article that you posted.

Serge Litehead 04-22-2010 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17064287)
They didn't make it clear cause it takes weeks to plan a controlled demolition, and that would indicate a plan. Of course don't listen to me this is all crazy talk. Everyone knows you can just run up into a building with a few explosives in a moments notice (even when the foundation is in an unstable state) and bring it down.

> Larry Silverstein's buildings are always wired for controlled demolition
does it mean they plan demolition in advance? maybe at the moment of construction took place, not sure how safe that would be.

mayabong 04-22-2010 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 17064341)
Just cause some Gannet guy says he was there doesn't debunk anything. There were plenty of people who were there, cops, firemen and other city workers, who will testify to the opposite of what he says.

:D

Sorry I didn't post the article, here it is, attempting to debunk the 9/11 truth movement. Actually this is the first testamony I've heard of someone claiming to be right there. Where are these other testimonies that you speak of? Of course you have the video of silverstein saying they decided to pull the building. You also have the videos of workers, reporters, and firefighers talking of explosions and molten metal. I'm sure there are others that can debunk their claims .. somewhere.. somewhere.. right?

Article here.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...ro-sept-shame/

mgtarheels 04-22-2010 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 17064075)
You do realise that Gannett News is owned and operated by Gannett Company, Inc. and not News Corp. that owns Fox News.

On a side note, Dr. Alan Sabrosky has not only been on Red Eye but the Alan Colmes Radio show and Geraldo Rivera's show debating the Popular Science magazine theories.

So in one fail swoop i have destroyed your entire post by knowing facts rather than making things up like you did up above.

Another uneducated Fucktard destroyed...whos next?

You should know that articles and testings published in Pop Sci have been fraud in the past.

2012 04-22-2010 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 17063968)
Jesse Ventura is my hero:

not mine either but he makes some pretty good points .

... when you're reeeeeeeeeealy HIGH!

Gouge 04-22-2010 01:50 PM

mayabong

Its funny that he's considered a kook, a couple weeks ago Doctor Alan Sabrosky, teacher at the Army war college, and vietnam vet didn't just say its an inside job, he flat out said israel was behind it. He also said that high levels of the military know this and are very angry. (search for yourself). Ask yourself, Why wasn't that on your fair and balanced news? Maybe Cause its a little easier to discredit jessee cause he smokes pot and has long hair. According to patriotsquestion911 (dot) com 400+ Medical Professionals 200+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials 1,100+ Engineers and Architects 250+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals 400+ Professors Question 9/11 300+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members 200+ Artists, Entertainers, and Media Professionals All think the offical story is a sham. Fox news has brainwashed you people into trusting them and not researching things on your own. P.S. According to your article, silverstein has his building wired for demolition at all times?? you got to be kidding me.. if anything that makes the truth movement stronger. LOL

Thursday, April 22, 2010 at 2:06 PM

hershie 04-22-2010 01:52 PM

It only makes perfect sense to intellectually honest people like yourselves to ignore everything concluded by the world's foremost experts on these matters in the NIST report, and instead talk about eye witness accounts instead. Bravo.

mayabong 04-22-2010 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 17064464)
mayabong

Its funny that he's considered a kook, a couple weeks ago Doctor Alan Sabrosky, teacher at the Army war college, and vietnam vet didn't just say its an inside job, he flat out said israel was behind it. He also said that high levels of the military know this and are very angry. (search for yourself). Ask yourself, Why wasn't that on your fair and balanced news? Maybe Cause its a little easier to discredit jessee cause he smokes pot and has long hair. According to patriotsquestion911 (dot) com 400+ Medical Professionals 200+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials 1,100+ Engineers and Architects 250+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals 400+ Professors Question 9/11 300+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members 200+ Artists, Entertainers, and Media Professionals All think the offical story is a sham. Fox news has brainwashed you people into trusting them and not researching things on your own. P.S. According to your article, silverstein has his building wired for demolition at all times?? you got to be kidding me.. if anything that makes the truth movement stronger. LOL

Thursday, April 22, 2010 at 2:06 PM

yea so? are all those people kooks too?

mayabong 04-22-2010 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hershie (Post 17064470)
It only makes perfect sense to intellectually honest people like yourselves to ignore everything concluded by the world's foremost experts on these matters in the NIST report, and instead talk about eye witness accounts instead. Bravo.

OH yeah nist! you mean this guy?


Bravo!

MediaGuy 04-22-2010 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17064424)
What is this garnett shit?? This is an article from fox news attempting to debunk the 9/11 truth movement.

Oy, this is what that article says:
"I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard."

Didn't you read what you posted?

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17064424)
Actually this is the first testamony I've heard of someone claiming to be right there. Where are these other testimonies that you speak of?

The research for this is pretty intensive and not as easy to find as all the official conspiracy theory versions, but if you put in a little time, it's there. One of the easiest sources is right there at the New York Times site.

These are the oral accounts of members of the FDNY and other first responders:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html

You might also want to give this site a read, it's insanely dense with facts and sources:

http://www.historycommons.org/timeli...e_911_timeline

:D

SmokeyTheBear 04-22-2010 02:10 PM

not sure where that guy is coming from. Nobody has admitted building 7 was pulled infact quite the opposite. The only thing that was said was by silverstein himself saying they made the decision to pull the building. This could have meant "pull out of" not "pull down"

mayabong 04-22-2010 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 17064521)
Oy, this is what that article says:
"I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard."

Didn't you read what you posted?



The research for this is pretty intensive and not as easy to find as all the official conspiracy theory versions, but if you put in a little time, it's there. One of the easiest sources is right there at the New York Times site.

These are the oral accounts of members of the FDNY and other first responders:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html

You might also want to give this site a read, it's insanely dense with facts and sources:

http://www.historycommons.org/timeli...e_911_timeline

:D

I realized that after I posted it, that fox news was not even mentioned in the article. He is a fox news contributor, does the fact that he worked somewhere before discredit him or something?

As far as your links thanks I'll check them out. Unlike most here, I'm open.

mgtarheels 04-22-2010 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 17064521)
Oy, this is what that article says:
"I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard."

Didn't you read what you posted?



The research for this is pretty intensive and not as easy to find as all the official conspiracy theory versions, but if you put in a little time, it's there. One of the easiest sources is right there at the New York Times site.

These are the oral accounts of members of the FDNY and other first responders:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html

You might also want to give this site a read, it's insanely dense with facts and sources:

http://www.historycommons.org/timeli...e_911_timeline

:D

Who he worked for at the time =/= who published the article. Fox News published the article.

mayabong 04-22-2010 02:48 PM

You know times are nuts when people in the military can come out and say 9/11 was an inside job and the "patriots" of the country brush them off as loons, and actually believe what Bill O'rielly or any other news anchor says as truth.. its really fucking unbelieveable. They deserve what they get in the end from their government for being dumb as a box of rocks.

Big list at http://patriotsquestion911.com

MediaGuy 04-22-2010 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17064600)
Who he worked for at the time =/= who published the article. Fox News published the article.

All I'm saying is these big corporate news outlet reps are about as credible as Pat Robertson saying Haitians brought the earthquake on themselves because of a deal with the devil or that coalition forces shot and killed "known insurgents" in the latest news from Afghanistan.

:D

Rochard 04-22-2010 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by holograph (Post 17064146)
so it was a controlled demolition. why didn't they clear that up before? "building7 caught on fire and fall by itself" wasn't much credible to begin with.

Yeah, because, you know, it's not like ten billion tons of concrete and what not just happened to fall right next to it, the impact of which was so strong it registered as a fucking earthquake.

baddog 04-22-2010 03:02 PM

Saw Ventura on a show the other day. He is a fucking moron.

mayabong 04-22-2010 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 17064701)
All I'm saying is these big corporate news outlet reps are about as credible as Pat Robertson saying Haitians brought the earthquake on themselves because of a deal with the devil or that coalition forces shot and killed "known insurgents" in the latest news from Afghanistan.

:D

So this rep is obviously a loon. I'm sure if he would have left those couple sentences out about the demolition, he would have been just fine, and noone would even think to question his credibility.

The fact that its actually an anti-truther article and he mentions that to make his case, makes him alot more "credible" in my book.
Wow i'm taking up for a fox news reporter.

GrouchyAdmin 04-22-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17064731)
Saw Ventura on a show the other day. He is a fucking moron.

From a job with made up injuries, to a job with made up promises, to a job with made up subjects.

Awesome.

mayabong 04-22-2010 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17064725)
Yeah, because, you know, it's not like ten billion tons of concrete and what not just happened to fall right next to it, the impact of which was so strong it registered as a fucking earthquake.

See haiti and Chili if you'd like to see what happens when an earthquake hits a building.

Floors pancake on top eachother.

Serge Litehead 04-22-2010 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17064725)
Yeah, because, you know, it's not like ten billion tons of concrete and what not just happened to fall right next to it, the impact of which was so strong it registered as a fucking earthquake.

yeah ground shake makes a building fall straight up to its foundation, among all, the strongest building in the area, hours later

mayabong 04-22-2010 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17064725)
Yeah, because, you know, it's not like ten billion tons of concrete and what not just happened to fall right next to it, the impact of which was so strong it registered as a fucking earthquake.

FYI one of the towers fell DIRECTLY ONTO one of the smaller world trade centers, and it still had to be demolished, by workers. Explain that one.

The Demon 04-22-2010 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 17064075)
You do realise that Gannett News is owned and operated by Gannett Company, Inc. and not News Corp. that owns Fox News.

On a side note, Dr. Alan Sabrosky has not only been on Red Eye but the Alan Colmes Radio show and Geraldo Rivera's show debating the Popular Science magazine theories.

So in one fail swoop i have destroyed your entire post by knowing facts rather than making things up like you did up above.

Another uneducated Fucktard destroyed...whos next?

That wasn't so hard was it? I mean it literally takes seconds to destroy the arguments on this forum.

mayabong 04-22-2010 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17064771)
That wasn't so hard was it? I mean it literally takes seconds to destroy the arguments on this forum.

Yes its easy when you dodge the main point.. Also demon I posed the link directly to fox news afterwards.. yes your beloved fox news with facts says that everyone knew controlled demolition was an option...
wow..
hahahah

oh wait that reporter isn't credible!!

The Demon 04-22-2010 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17064774)
Yes its easy when you dodge the main point.. Also demon I posed the link directly to fox news afterwards.. yes your beloved fox news with facts says that everyone knew controlled demolition was an option...
wow..
hahahah

oh wait that reporter isn't credible!!

::::Yawn:::::

2012 04-22-2010 03:27 PM


mayabong 04-22-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17064787)
::::Yawn:::::

Exactly move on sheep

Serge Litehead 04-22-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17064763)
FYI one of the towers fell DIRECTLY ONTO one of the smaller world trade centers, and it still had to be demolished, by workers. Explain that one.

simple, that one didn't catch a fire

mayabong 04-22-2010 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by holograph (Post 17064825)
simple, that one didn't catch a fire

Rofl



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