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Dirty Dane 06-22-2010 06:17 PM

US government declares war on piracy - strategy plan released.
 
Quote:

To those of you suffer: Help IS on its way.

To those who have abused: We WILL take you out of business.
Biden: Piracy it theft. Clean and simple.

:thumbsup

Video of press conference:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/...property-theft

Strategy plan:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/intellectualproperty/

CYF 06-22-2010 06:26 PM

I predict great results.

candyflip 06-22-2010 06:29 PM

Will the "War On Piracy" be the new "War On Drugs"?

Dirty Dane 06-22-2010 06:30 PM

Illegal websites will be shut down. Simply as that.

Gerco 06-22-2010 07:08 PM

Que. gidion

fatfoo 06-22-2010 07:12 PM

I agree that privacy is theft.

Some people don't put a lock on their property.

HomerSimpson 06-22-2010 07:24 PM

good news...

Zorgman 06-22-2010 07:27 PM

Looks good on paper, hope it works in real life positions.

Gerco 06-22-2010 07:38 PM

Hmm.. not a lot of responses.
All the tube owners pretty quiet...

Vendzilla 06-22-2010 07:42 PM

they will tax us to pay for it

Boss Traffic Jim 06-22-2010 07:49 PM

This is really great news for the whole industry, if it can actually happen.

Argos88 06-22-2010 07:49 PM

Interesting.

So basically sites like AWEMPIRE should be taken down, am I right?

They support sites like Extreme-board.com and pornbb.org (whois, the owner is RUSSIAN, so hard to take them to prison)

But Im sure AWEMPIRE owners are NORTH-AMERICAN.

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Gerco 06-22-2010 08:01 PM

Ya, could be a possible shit storm brewing for the file download places, the sites that scrape content and repackage it as their own etc. would be nice to have a dmca with teeth.

Serge Litehead 06-22-2010 08:01 PM

interesting development, hopefully something good comes of it.

J. Falcon 06-22-2010 08:10 PM

Let's hope something actually gets done about it.

flashfire 06-23-2010 01:04 AM

yeah their first order of business will be to shut down illegal porn sites so the porn peddlers can get their business back

kmanrox 06-23-2010 03:00 AM

it's about time we sent some ships to stop the somali pirates!!! ;)

Mutt 06-23-2010 03:04 AM

i skimmed through the .PDF - not a thing in there to help us other than some references to ACTA, which is our only hope to undo the damage the Digital Millenium Copyright Act has created for all copyright owners and their business partners. All that crap I read in the .PDF does nothing to address the legal liability of owners/hosting providers/advertisers of user-submitted content sites. All of them right now are hiding behind the safe harbor provision in the DMCA - the burden on the copyright owner to prove that the website being sued doesn't meet the safe harbor criteria is a huge burden. The only way to do that is to provide evidence that the website is uploading the infringing content themselves or encouraging/facilitating/paying others to do it.

We don't need the government to be tracking down and prosecuting thieves of pornographic movies and photos - as if that would ever happen even if they employed 100,000 enforcement officers. What we need is new law that stops protecting those who steal and protects those who own and create copyrighted material so we can go after those who steal from us and stand a good job of winning.

Sad because it could be so easy. As a copyright owner we should be able to contact websites like Pornhub, Rapidshare and serve them a C&D notice that their website may not accept any user submissions of our content - and a takedown of the content isn't enough, this time it's THEIR not our job to police their website for copyright infringements or suffer the financial penalties a new law would impose on them. If it's on your site, you're responsible.

kane 06-23-2010 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 17271950)
i skimmed through the .PDF - not a thing in there to help us other than some references to ACTA, which is our only hope to undo the damage the Digital Millenium Copyright Act has created for all copyright owners and their business partners. All that crap I read in the .PDF does nothing to address the legal liability of owners/hosting providers/advertisers of user-submitted content sites. All of them right now are hiding behind the safe harbor provision in the DMCA - the burden on the copyright owner to prove that the website being sued doesn't meet the safe harbor criteria is a huge burden. The only way to do that is to provide evidence that the website is uploading the infringing content themselves or encouraging/facilitating/paying others to do it.

We don't need the government to be tracking down and prosecuting thieves of pornographic movies and photos - as if that would ever happen even if they employed 100,000 enforcement officers. What we need is new law that stops protecting those who steal and protects those who own and create copyrighted material so we can go after those who steal from us and stand a good job of winning.

Sad because it could be so easy. As a copyright owner we should be able to contact websites like Pornhub, Rapidshare and serve them a C&D notice that their website may not accept any user submissions of our content - and a takedown of the content isn't enough, this time it's THEIR not our job to police their website for copyright infringements or suffer the financial penalties a new law would impose on them. If it's on your site, you're responsible.

I agree. It seems like these days if you create content you need to have a full time staff just to keep people from stealing it. You should be able to contact a site and tell them flat out that you don't want any of your content on their and it should be up to them to make sure that happens.

Davy 06-23-2010 03:38 AM

I am watching the video. It does not sound as if this plan is directed at torrent websites etc. They seem to be more concerned with physical goods and their counterfeits.

seeandsee 06-23-2010 03:47 AM

i hope they will close illegal tubes, so god help them

Paul Markham 06-23-2010 04:02 AM

The losses made by the film and record companies will prompt more action. These two industries have powerful lobbyists that will get results.

Let's hope it has some effect.

Klen 06-23-2010 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argos88 (Post 17271417)
Interesting.

So basically sites like AWEMPIRE should be taken down, am I right?

They support sites like Extreme-board.com and pornbb.org (whois, the owner is RUSSIAN, so hard to take them to prison)

But Im sure AWEMPIRE owners are NORTH-AMERICAN.

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First,even if they stop supporting such sites,someone else would take their place so blaming them for that doesn't have much sense.Also,they are not north American,owners are from Hungary and awe is offshore company.

Major (Tom) 06-23-2010 04:20 AM

Well I can say this with certainty. Soon, maybe not today, nor tomorrow, but there will definitely be some changes in the laws in the next few years.
ds

DamianJ 06-23-2010 04:39 AM

This is part of the counterfeit goods act, which in itself is as stupid as anyone who thinks that copyright infringement can be stopped.

DamianJ 06-23-2010 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17272015)
The losses made by the film and record companies will prompt more action.

What losses? Both are making record profits, and recently admitted lying about "piracy" figures.

Fraudulent piracy figures
A May 31, 2006, MPAA press release about The Pirate Bay raid alleged that the film industry lost $6.1 billion domestically to piracy in 2005, and that internet piracy alone cost the studios $2.3 billion.[18] However, some 80 percent, or $4.8 billion, of the $6.1 billion figure represented non-commercial backups, either virtually on a device or physically on another disc, which is protected under United States law. The MPAA figures were based on a private study which was not independently verified for methodology or validity.
On January 22, 2008, the MPAA admitted its claims about piracy occurring at colleges was inflated by up to 3000 percent.[19] These revelations came at a time when the MPAA was lobbying for a bill that would compel universities to crack down on piracy.[20]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_...ion_of_America

more
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9858416-7.html
http://www.insidehighered.com/views/2008/01/29/green

And the profits?

http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/

2009 was up 10% year on year for gross revenue.

Also, what has the MPAA and RIAA actually achieved in terms of results Pauly?

GatorB 06-23-2010 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CYF (Post 17271205)
I predict great results.

I predict sarcasm.

GatorB 06-23-2010 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 17272086)
What losses? Both are making record profits, and recently admitted lying about "piracy" figures.

Fraudulent piracy figures
A May 31, 2006, MPAA press release about The Pirate Bay raid alleged that the film industry lost $6.1 billion domestically to piracy in 2005, and that internet piracy alone cost the studios $2.3 billion.[18] However, some 80 percent, or $4.8 billion, of the $6.1 billion figure represented non-commercial backups, either virtually on a device or physically on another disc, which is protected under United States law. The MPAA figures were based on a private study which was not independently verified for methodology or validity.
On January 22, 2008, the MPAA admitted its claims about piracy occurring at colleges was inflated by up to 3000 percent.[19] These revelations came at a time when the MPAA was lobbying for a bill that would compel universities to crack down on piracy.[20]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_...ion_of_America

more
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9858416-7.html
http://www.insidehighered.com/views/2008/01/29/green

And the profits?

http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/

2009 was up 10% year on year for gross revenue.

Also, what has the MPAA and RIAA actually achieved in terms of results Pauly?

Just a point to make here. Just because they had record profit doesn't mean piracy didn't still have an effect. Maybe they would have had 12% profit or whatever.

if I have $100 in my wallet and someone takes $10 it doesn't mean I didn't get $10 stolen just because I still have $90 in my wallet.

GatorB 06-23-2010 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 17271996)
i hope they will close illegal tubes, so god help them

Anyone here that think the government gives a shit about porn or will use this law to help porn is a fool. Like anythng else money and recsource will be limited and the people that will get the help are the RIAA and the MPAA. And honestly this whole "plan" is fucking retarded. While I agre with Biden that basically downloading stuf without paying is akin to theft when it comes to everything else about this issue and it's solutions he's a bit obtuse as is the recording and tv and movie industry.

Marcus Aurelius 06-23-2010 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CYF (Post 17271205)
I predict great results.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3900/obamabt.jpg

Odin 06-23-2010 06:05 AM

Doesn't seem to be a lot of substance in their policy. A lot of 'we will try harder', etc unless I am mistaken. Don't see much changing soon, perhaps in a few years they will push through tougher laws - who knows.

u-Bob 06-23-2010 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17272124)
Anyone here that think the government gives a shit about porn or will use this law to help porn is a fool.

sad but true.

Gerco 06-23-2010 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flashfire (Post 17271857)
yeah their first order of business will be to shut down illegal porn sites so the porn peddlers can get their business back

Hmmm... Now let's think about that a second. They would LOVE to shut down a LOT of porn on the internet, and to date, have not had a lot of suggest doing it. Imagine the feather in the cap they would get from having some new laws that actually shut this sites down in the name of piracy.

No having to fight with the obscenity laws etc. Hell, it would seem to be pretty simple also, just google tubes and or torrents and shut down the sites on the list.

L-Pink 06-23-2010 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17272119)
Just a point to make here. Just because they had record profit doesn't mean piracy didn't still have an effect. Maybe they would have had 12% profit or whatever.

if I have $100 in my wallet and someone takes $10 it doesn't mean I didn't get $10 stolen just because I still have $90 in my wallet.

Good example. While technology should have helped music/record companies lower costs and become more efficient it has instead allowed thieves and freeloaders the means to hijack their product.


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czarina 06-23-2010 07:04 AM

they need to fight other things before they fight piracy.

Coup 06-23-2010 07:05 AM

War On Everything!

bronco67 06-23-2010 07:05 AM

It sounded more about counterfeiting physical goods, than intellectual property theft, if you go by this definition:

Intellectual property (IP) refers to creations of the mind: inventions, literary and artistic works, and symbols, names, images, and designs used in commerce.

Why would Biden be mentioning intellectual property over and over? This didn't seem to be about that at all.

Agent 488 06-23-2010 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 17272359)
It sounded more about counterfeiting physical goods, than intellectual property theft, if you go by this definition:

Intellectual property (IP) refers to creations of the mind: inventions, literary and artistic works, and symbols, names, images, and designs used in commerce.

Why would Biden be mentioning intellectual property over and over? This didn't seem to be about that at all.

totally wrong.

"we will take a close look at the unique problems posed by foreign-based websites and other entities that provide access to counterfeit or pirated products
address unlawful activity on the internet, such as illegal downloading and illegal internet pharmacies."


looks they are going after counterfeit goods, internet piracy and internet pharm.

TheDoc 06-23-2010 08:13 AM

This isn't about "online piracy" or digital goods... they're going to protect people that are being counterfeited against.

You know, actual piracy?

GatorB 06-23-2010 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17272510)
This isn't about "online piracy" or digital goods... they're going to protect people that are being counterfeited against.

You know, actual piracy?

actually part of it is. Biden has made several comments about how illegal downloading is the same as stealing. And actually part of this plan is going to include a 3 strikes law so be careful what you wish for guys.


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