Want to get a glimpse of what we are up against when it comes to Free Porn? Check this out
 

The explosion of free porn has hurt all of us. There is no question about that. The big question is where do we go from here? I think when fighting this problem (or any problem) it's important to know what the opposition is up to and thinking. If you have the time check out this link.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...1#comments-bar

Michael showed me this article this morning. At first I read it and thought so what. Then he told me to read the comments. Check them out. This is what we are up against :disgust

Astonishingly enough, I am still at the 'so what' stage.

Congrad's on having one of your Twistys images on the Today Show today.

Sadly many of the things they say are correct. But one thing that really sucks is that many of them think the tube sites produce the porn and give it away for free.

No shit. NICE! I had no idea.

Was going to post something similar to this..

They got a crystal clear shot of it too! Good thing your watermark wasn't in the lower left or right corner. :P

Did they pay to show that image?

Shap, not at all busting balls here..

but these are customers. Surely they're not the only 5 people on the internet who think the same way about pricing structures, content quantity and quality.. etc, otherwise the market wouldn't be acting like it does today.

To me, responding to the market(and no, I don't mean launching a tube site) seems more logical than fighting demand.

$5 membership x 1000 is more $ than a $25 membership x 100. :)

It was amazing. The segment was on the prostitute who was with Charlie Sheen in his New York hotel room when he destroyed it.
Her name is Christina Walsh and the Today Show displayed a non nude photo of her. In the upper left hand corner it stated "Twistys.com".
Obviously you have her featured on your website.

Congratulations. :)

:Oh crap

the smart guy was the guy who nailed the biggest enemy and it isn't the tubes - it's direct downloads via thousands of forums and blogs filled with links to the exploding file hosting scene, Rapidshare, Hotfile, Megaupload,Fileserver et al

Tube sites grabbed millions and millions of freeloading surfers from TGP/MGP's, surfers happy with instantly streamed poor quality Flash videos. The direct downloaders are............were..... our best customers. The savvy porn connoisseurs who want premium quality content in their favorite niche(s). They now can get it all almost as instantly and in the quality they'd get from a members area, close to the same quality they'd get from a DVD, with the help of Google, Filestube which will soon have 50 copycats, and all those forums and blogs. They are the final nails in our coffin. The DMCA fully protects the file hosting operators and the forum owners.

we're fucked.

tmz.com as well!

With most young people, there's definitely a basic lack of understanding of how a goods and services economy works. Also, who the fuck do they think is going to keep making the porn they love to watch for free, when those producers don't get paid for their work? It's idiocy.

I think anyone that hasn't created anything in their life would have this stupid attitude.

the opposition = 99% of internet users.

emotional responses aside, the structure of the internet is to make information worthless, and the only way to monetize it is to create a false scarcity, which is increasingly untenable as the internet and it's users become more sophisticated.

there was a small window where the internet allowed people to profit from ip using pre-internet models but those days are over.

where to go? who knows, although millions are hustling to figure out new ways to profit while others are hand-wringing.

See? YOUR DOING IT WRONG!!! lol

As if...

Everyone should stop sending traffic to the companies that do business with them. If you buy advertising you aren't going to get any traffic from other parties.

This article is any kinda surprise? The sad thing is it's all true, I kinda feel bad for the guys around here that somehow think they are any kind of important and starting a new fresh faced solo site is somehow going to change anything. Get creative if you want money, anything else is a waste of time, everything has changed - accept it.

Edit: Mutt is 100% correct, tubes aren't hurting anything, they are annoying, you want porn, you go to a forum - hell even mainstream forums now have adult sections with all direct downloads and it's acceptable and if you mention it's copyrighted material everyone looks at you like you're stupid.

They are right in many ways. Not to convince a single program owner of that and see if they have the nuts needed to try something extremely different.

Interesting that the meeting was held in Tucson of all places.

HAHAHAHA the commenters on that blog are the smartest people in the room.

Well Arstechnica surfers are all very computer savvy, and most are geeks...so it is very unlikely that any of them would pay for porn. The average Joe though is not as sophisticated, and may be more likely to pay for a site membership.

who gives a fuck what those little smug fucks think.

what they will do is cry when they are getting their parents into trouble.

suing end users is the best thing you can do for this. i know i stopped stealing music when people started getting served papers.

fuckem.

Not sure if you are joking or not but I read more common sense there in 5 minutes than I've seen on this forum in 2 months.

One of the things that i see here is the mistaken thought that porn is not important.

Why do I say thats a mistaken thought? Simple. Anyone and every one will admit to listening to music. Go out and poll 5k people on the street about watching porn.

Porn is also important in other ways. It has taught me a lot of what NOT to do.

Alot of interesting comments in there

I feel so loved after reading that - though we all know that 99.9% of those posting use it, and yet - no thank you

Nobody invited me... :(

They wouldnt pay if it was a dollar, they would complain why wasnt it 50 cents. They trade fucking music and you can buy it for 99 cents. That's the excuse they use to make themselves feel pure.

I remember back in the BBS days, the piracy issue evolved into people selling diskettes with activation codes printed on them. You'd get the diskette, call the phone number, punch in your code, and they'd spit out another code for you to punch into the dialog box.

Of course programs came along like f'n cracker and such where you could peek at the data and at first it'd auto-crack all kinds of those things. But to this day, that is a deterant that works to some degree. Not perfect.

I think efforts to deter piracy are fine and a normal part of things. Some people will never buy, and some always will. Most will do what's easy, but not what takes slight effort.

for years now they have tried to take down all cp and guess what, its still there.
Im happy i dont have to live from internet porn.

Right on man! Some people are just freeloaders.

Would they spend $250 million making Avatar, if everybody thought they should be able to watch it for FREE? :upsidedow

ok, i'll pay you 1 dollar pps on a 4 dollar monthly membership. deal?

They actually think there are THOUSANDS of people producing porn and giving it away? Which internet is this they speak of?

Is this real? Our "industry leaders" got together and came up with the master plan to embarrass people?

Well I am your first victim!

The best comment for me in all of those was the guy saying we would have to totally "redo the internet" in order to achieve our goal. With some hard work, a lot of lawsuits, and good old fashioned ingenuity, I believe we can do exactly that. The alternative is what?

I'm not going to openly list any ideas here because I know some of the biggest pirates and pro-pirate "webmasters" are among us.

"Where we go from here" will either be where we allow it to go or where we take it.

That is not true. It all hurts collectively.

However, where tubes and file sharing really hurt us are in search results. They often dominate just about every porn keyword and then give you the same thing you were just searching for, for free. That hurts.

Forums are devastating, no doubt about it, but I can't point to any one thing and say it is worse than the other. We are being attacked from all sides and are generally unable to defend ourselves with our current defenses. We either have to create new defenses, fight back, or do nothing and take the beating until we are forced to close shop.

Those with no dogs in the fight will hate (you can see it already here with their posts - easy to spot them), pro-piracy clowns will always have reasons for why we will fail, but those who are already taking action (whatever that action is) do not need to be told if it is the right thing to do or not, because you know it is.

When I asked a friend what he would do if he was arrested for download and sharing movies, he actually said "Why would I be arrested? It's free!". He had absolutely no clue at all about what he was really doing. Neither do these porn surfers.

Did anyone notice a "tone" to their rants? To me some of them seemed to talk as if they "deserved" their free porn... as if it was their right. Maybe I'm just testy tonight, but some of those people gave me that vibe...

[QUOTE=Mutt;17648560]the smart guy was the guy who nailed the biggest enemy and it isn't the tubes - it's direct downloads via thousands of forums and blogs filled with links to the exploding file hosting scene, Rapidshare, Hotfile, Megaupload,Fileserver et al

Tube sites grabbed millions and millions of freeloading surfers from TGP/MGP's, surfers happy with instantly streamed poor quality Flash videos. The direct downloaders are............were..... our best customers. The savvy porn connoisseurs who want premium quality content in their favorite niche(s). They now can get it all almost as instantly and in the quality they'd get from a members area, close to the same quality they'd get from a DVD, with the help of Google, Filestube which will soon have 50 copycats, and all those forums and blogs. They are the final nails in our coffin. The DMCA fully protects the file hosting operators and the forum owners.

we're fucked.[/QUOT


yep we are fucked. no way to stop it now...

:2 cents:like i have always said just ask anyone what is their favorite pornsite and they will mention one of the tubes 9 out of 10 people. ofcourse they all think its free why would they pay:2 cents: