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Seattle is like a second home to me

quiet

yep, Vancouver and Seattle are so similar it is eerie.

_Richard_

ha, i try and hit up that soundview cafe place.. great view to have breakfast with

wehateporn

Just like Vietnam, the wars in Iraq and Afghan were never meant to be won; by design they were meant to be sustained, that way the money keeps coming.

When one takes a closer look at the rules they have to stick to, it becomes apparent that winning isn't the plan. Once the war is won the money no longer flows at the same rate

The below is from the transcript for Zeitgeist (can easily be found on Google Video or YouTube)

In 1985 Vietnam's Rules of Engagement were declassified. This detailed what American troops were and were not allowed to do in the war. It included absurdities like:

* North Vietnamese anti-aircraft missile systems could not be bombed until they were known to be operational
* No enemy could be pursued once they crossed the border of Laos or Cambodia. And most revealing of all..
* The most critical strategic targets were not allowed to be attacked unless initiated via high military officials.

Apart from these imposed ludicrous limitations North Vietnam was informed of these restrictions and therefore could based entire strategies around the limitations of the American forces. This is why the war went on so long. And the bottom line is this: the Vietnam War was never meant to be won. Just sustained.

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Minte

Was there any point to this thread other than to insult America and its veterans?

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Bryan G

Guess you did not read the thread other than the first post.

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Minte

I read enough to get the gist of it.
Americans are the devil because of things it's military has done in wars.
We are nothing but losers at everything we do.
Without the A-bomb we'd all be speaking Japanese...and we should tear down the statue of liberty and erect a statue of Stalin for saving the world from the Nazis.

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dyna mo

it's actually a motivational thread designed to get you to carry the op's message and go pied piper around to various soldier's families homes over the holidays and tell them to shun their murderous, cowardly children.

12clicks

Guys, this board is filled with misguided children. Take satisfaction in knowing they're going to live the exact life they deserve

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Minte

You are probably right. I just find it quite annoying when these people who weren't even alive during Vietnam talk like they understand what the world was like then.
I bet none of them know how many draftees were killed there.

For the uninformed..draftees were not people who signed up to kill a commie for Christ.

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moeloubani

And that's exactly why the Vietnam war was a war where you had to support the troops, they had to do it. And the exact reason you shouldn't support the troops today - they don't have to do it.

slackologist

Thanks guys. This thread brings back the memories.. Logged on today for the first time in 3 yrs.. shit is all still the same :-)

Amputate Your Head

we should tear it down, it's a statue of Lucifer.

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Agent 488

amp. you a christian?

theking

If there were not enough volunteers...then the draft would be reinstated. Eighteen year olds still have to register for the draft in the U.S...and the draft boards are still active.

So from your statement I conclude that if one is drafted then you support the actions of the troops but if they are volunteers then you do not support the actions of the troops.

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dyna mo

it was a gift, that would be considered rude.

Amputate Your Head

it was a re-gift.

it was supposed to go to Egypt.

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theking

I was unaware that you are a religious person.

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Amputate Your Head

no.

8char

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dyna mo

nevertheless.

Minte

Maybe we can get Copperfield to dress her up in lingerie and stockings.

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moeloubani

If the troops are drafted then I would support them - but not always their actions. They have no choice as to whether they want to go fight or not. In that case, I'd be against the government sending them to fight, not the troops.

Right now I don't support the troops OR their actions.

Minte

Whether we agree with the policies of our government is moot. It is the best thing we have going. Look at the countries around the world that don't have a government.. They have anarachy and total chaos.

Making a thread like this simply to disrespect those men and women who do believe in democracy and are willing to put it all on the line has no merit. Like it or not the world hasn't evolved to the point where we don't need a strong military.

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12clicks

Canada is the new France. Full of opinion and little else.

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moeloubani

That don't have a government? Not sure what that has to do with anything, I'm not saying we shouldn't have a government, but many nations around the world don't participate in wars and they do perfectly fine.

It is not the place of the United States to go in and tell other people what they can and can't do. You have no right being in Iraq, Afghanistan, or any other place in the world - at least just as much a right as the terrorists have to live in the US.

In case you haven't noticed, the United States spends almost as much as the rest of the world combined on their military. Why do you guys feel like you need this huge military and are always under attack while other countries live better than you guys do, don't have a military, are happier, healthier, and better educated than you guys are and they aren't always out killing people 'just because'.

The United States doesn't give two shits about democracy. All it cares about is getting what they want - no matter what it takes; even if that means slaughtering innocent women and children.

Coup

I dont like the way you worded that. We prefer to call it "protecting american interests"

theking

It is our policies that have made us the greatest economic and military power the world has ever known. Of the 192 countries on the earth only a handful are of any import.

Right and wrong are subjective terms at best.

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I'm still trying to wrap my head around how someone can watch that youtube video. Then post it for troops, to some how state "watch this".

I'd be like me finding an article in a magazine explaining the new engine in the BMW, taking it to the BMW headquarters and showing it to the engineers of that particular engine and saying "read this".

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piss off eh! stupid Canadian, Canada has troops in Afghanistan

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moeloubani

The idea is that tons of troops are still over there, afraid to tell the truth about how they feel. This guy kept on following orders even though he knew the side he was fighting for was murdering kids. Maybe someone will see this video and it will change how they think and they'll tell someone else.

I see it like this - over 100 replies in the thread means I accomplished what I wanted which was people to see the video.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

it's amazing how *little* americans know about anything other than america...

Blingbaby

Still a dickwad after all these years. There's a special place in hell waiting for you and your ilk..

Blingbaby

Idiots like you mostly..

Blingbaby

As if telling the pitbull thrown into the dogfight by his controlling master will actually give him a hint that he is just a pawn in some sadist game..

Seth Manson

Did you just call me a fucking Canadian?!

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I am a Warrior and a member of a team. I serve the people of the United States and live the Army Values.

I will always place the mission first.

I will never accept defeat.

I will never quit.

I will never leave a fallen comrade.

I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills. I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.

I am an expert and I am a professional.

I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.

I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.

I am an American Soldier.



I can recite that shit backwards, in my sleep. If you Canadians dont like our troops, then fuck it, we dont give a shit if you like them or not. Your opinion of what we do means less than shit to us.

Yah, really.

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Where's the line that says, "I don't think or ask questions, I just do what I'm told like a good little bitch" ?

quiet

this thread is incredibly gay on so many levels.

Bryan G

Wrong actually. Not everyone here agrees with the original posters views. If you read what most of us say you would see that. Then you have 12clicks and well he is what he is, a troll.

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moeloubani

Add

I murder babies.

Then it might be right!!

Look for anyone reading this thread my main point is that US soldiers have no business in Afghanistan or Iraq. They need to be out of those places and back home where they can support their families and have a merry Christmas.

Helping bring the US troops home is the ONLY way you should be supporting them.

directfiesta

Nazis said the same at Nuremberg ...

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dyna mo

nazis said they were american soldiers at nuremberg?

dyna mo

this wonderful holiday message brought to you by the op.

moeloubani

You and I both know what he meant. Sad to see that you are taking the 'criticize trivial things because its the only time im even close to being right' route. But can't say I'm surprised.

Damn right it is, on behalf of all the innocent children that the US soldiers killed, the people that they raped there, the families and lives they ruined.

12clicks

ahahaha, still butt hurt, little fella?

don't be bitter because I'm right, be bitter because your idiot education system wrongly convinced you that you were.

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its amazing how little anything other than america matters.

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dyna mo

i know exactly what he meant and it's retarded, thus my pointing it out the way i did.
hardly. it's clear you lack compassion, so don't try and bail out now by saying it's about the children. no one is buying your bullshit.

Bryan G

How am I bitter? LOL

Anyhow, I find it comical that you are mocking the Canadian Education System over the American System.

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Phoenix

interesting thread.
its always amusing to see how quickly supposedly well educated people running a successful business succumb to name calling and finger pointing like they are in the third grade...it is a sad state of affairs if all you have to contribute to any argument is a loud thumping of your chest while you point at whatever flag is yours and grunt.
now that i have a child i really am scared for the direction the world is turning, there seems to be no one at the helm, we exist to serve corporations wills

if i was a religious person, this would be the time to start praying.
i hope you all have a wonderful few days off, and take time to think about both american/canadian soldiers stuck in a place they don't want to be, doing a job they don't want to be doing for a populace which will surely condemn them for doing it.

another point...the only reason the guys on dirt bikes are getting away with their bullshit is the way the troops hands are tied, these guys on dirt bikes go home to their families and hide in plain sight most of the time...its war, the only way to win it is to eliminate the other side, but we are unable to commit to such an act, so instead we trade body counts, and then insult the poor kids unfortunate enough to be sent over there to fight our battles for us.

hug your kids and hope they never get forced to go off to a foreign land and fight for the oil companies

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pornguy

Thats not quite true. They are IN the Military by choice. But once they sign the papers they belong to the government.

As for the comment about just take a Dishonorable discharge?? Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

For that video.

You guys get your panties in such a bunch watching it and never stop to ask some simple questions.

if you asked them you would understand the reason behind what happened.

Here are a few to ask while watching that video.

1. What in the HELL were those photographers/vid guys doing in that area without first telling someone, like the military they would be there.

2. Why were they dressed in the same clothes as the " Insurgents "

3. if they were not involved why were they with guys that appear to have weapons and one sure as shit looks like an RPG.

4. What the FUCK was the guy doing peeking around the corner of a building at a Battle helicopter?

Does any of that seem odd to anyone???

When you are in a combat zone you have one rule in your head. YOU WILL GO HOME ALIVE ! Thats the goal at the end of the day.

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