Agent 488

50 confusing threads.

V_RocKs

51 Bond nicks...

EVERESS

LOL .. Thanks Got it

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Andy22

lol. i clicked close on the video as soon as he said "relevancy is the most important part of aquiring a valuable link".

EVERESS

And uahhh... What would you say is most important?

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redwhiteandblue

Will hit you up later but still can't post in the forum - hit the post button and nothing happens - both in IE8 and FF 3.6.

FWIW I wanted to suggest that you teach your script that there is no such thing as a domain URL without a trailing slash e.g. hxxp://www.mydomain.com should always have "/" on the end, omitting it is just lazy. I see many of my domains listed both with and without, some only show the root domain without the slash, which is wrong and annoying.

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Bex

Where can someone register for the .com (mainstream sites I am assuming)?

When I type in everess dot com all I get is a request for user pass.

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willwank

Confused now.

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pristine

looks like you owe Mr Bond money and your system blows compared to Linkspun, congrats.

FlexxAeon

welcome back Bond

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Relentless

Your 'facts' are inaccurate. Also, if you know Mr. Bond, feel free to ask him about me. I was 'politically connected' to thunder-ball and Mr. Bond long before you allegedly bought Tball from him. Most of its users will recall the WebmasterScore banner that ran on the Tball home page for months and several are aware of other ways we cross-promoted sites.

I was not being rude, when I asked you to clarify the ownership of your site because I (and hundreds of others) got burned by the way thunder-ball was mismanaged toward the end. Using a site like yours takes many hours of 'setup' time and relies on continued site maintenance for it to be even remotely effective. If someone invests that kind of time into using your site and then you fade out (which is exactly what happened with the last version of thunderball) it costs webmasters significant money and creates a mess of dropped links among reputable webmasters who relied on faulty software to their detriment.

When you come to GFY asking people to use your new product it IS a job interview. One you seem unable to handle in a calm, professional manner. So, I'll ask you again... Who are you? Does anyone in this industry know you? Can anyone vouch for your ability to provide a quality product with LONG TERM upkeep?

Your answer matters.

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pristine

Ralentless just killed that entire site, thread can be destroyed.

fris

linkspun is much better and has more quality, thunderball was like an incest of sites that had no value.

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icymelon

somethings that are more important.

Does the site get 10 hits day?
How many inbounds does the site have?
How many outbounds does the site have?
Are you already trading with sites on the same ip range?
Is the site indexed on google?
Is the site sandboxed?

I think if you have a pornstar site its ok to trade with hardcore video site. Surfers are going to be interested in both. And google isn't going to mind.

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Agent 488

post some links to back up your link cluster theories.

DaCaptain

Hey Everess,

You do not have to "be somebody" to have a new service however if you are well-known in this industry, and liked and trusted, that would help convince folks that it is worth their time to try out a new product right away, such as the one that you are introducing. If your product "rocks" everyone will get there eventually, however I am sure that you'd like folks climbing over each other to become a part of your program.

Most webmasters know the value of back links and any reputable place for us to get more of them is something that we are interested in. That said, time and energy are important too...nuff said on that.

I was using Firefox...the latest version.

Then I'm not sure where it got that number...if it was my url count then it was only for about two of my sites, if it was my domain count it was a bit high. I probably do not have all of my sites listed at ThunderBall...hence it's not biggie. I was just unsure of what that number was and whether there was a place to see which of my domains you had listed on your site.

Your assumption on my motives is incorrect. I went to your site and saw some broken images, etc and thought you'd want to know about it. You brought this to an open forum and I assumed you wanted a valid discussion on it. If you prefer for folks to point out any gliches that they see via icq or email you should probably mention that in your thread.

I would appreciate an answer regarding Thunderball though. My understanding is that you bought it. Is this correct? If so, is it dead? As I mentioned earlier, I have noticed that thunderball is not updating when links are killed...I do not have a paid account there, and am wondering if it is just not updating for folks with free accounts, is it dead, do you have plans to work it, what?

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Mr Bond

I bet him that the Polotical Form Trolls would attack within the first day and that he would enter into an INTENSE CONFLICT WITH THEM. He loses not because they attacked but because he went over the top in his responses.

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I am confused too.

Relentless

Not really sure anyone even attacked... most just seem to be asking questions.

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Mr Bond

Well here's the thing man,

Everyone has their own view of the world and that includes you. In his post he said Nothing - ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING about LinkSpun or JDoughs.

So, when you hit him with the Fucking Spanish Inquisition in combination with putting LinkSpun and JDoughs up on a high pedestal that sends a clear signal that you are drawing a line and taking sides. And don't deny for even one moment that you are taking sides because it's in your own post.

As he pointed out your entire business mentality is based on" Judgment of Others". In your judgment you Completely SKIP the post and go directly into interrogation with a Barrage of: Who The Fuck Are YOU and What the Fuck have you done.

So without knowing anything about him or everess you have implied that he is nothing an no one and that his service will be shit. And, that's just blatant prejudice. And it's not just you. Throughout history all noobs that propose anything in forums endure this kind of scrutiny.


If you had not said anything about JDoughs or linkspun that would have just been you bashing a noob. But you did thats what made your post an ATTACK in defense of linkspun. It's right there in your post.

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What a dick you are.

EVERESS

You are correct... but apparently people at thunder-ball got pissed when they were forced to do it properly. The spider would throw an alert about it.

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Jdoughs

Nothing about me or LS? Look below, hell I'm even mentioned on your homepage. Could at least link me up.

Bullshit.
You may want to read my T.O.S. before attempting to do that.
Why would you need to mention me over and over again in YOUR scripts release. I didn't need to say "thunder-ball" once to sail Linkspun past that sinking ship.
I tried hard not to post in here, but I still got some hard feelings about being left out in the cold at t-ball. And since both of you have brought may name up several times, I cant stop myself.

At least you are posting under your real nick now Mr Bond, the Everess nick was NOT hiding who you were very well. Anybody who spent more then 30 seconds inside thunder-ball can see that this is the same persons handiwork. I doubt that it's even a new script, it looks like the exact same guy (Mr Bond) threw some new carpet and drapes on thunder-ball, and attempted to catch what was left of his crumbling userbase.

Same ranting lunatic talking about the site.
Same javascript on both sites.
Same html on both sites done in crayon.
Same sketchy ajax loads.
Same sketchy "no navigation, no back, no forward, fuck you"
Same broken links, broken spider, broken pages, incorrect layout.
Same database, host, IP's.
Same pay me now, get features later execution.
Cold Fusion, what more to say?

All of the above is fine and makes sense if the same guy built both. Saying the system is 100% recoded is complete horseshit. I WISH it was, I'd STILL be paying you membership fees.

Your lack of management and inability to think caused me from going from a paid member of your service, to the nailer of your sites coffin in less then a month. To charge over a hundred users a premium price for support and special features and then OUTRIGHT IGNORE them for 6 months is completely ridiculous. Expecting them to use a broken system and then pay you for the privilege is just wrong.

It is NO wonder that the only way you had a chance to pull things back was to re-release under an assumed identity, with a new layout (which really still looks like the same old shit) , a new set of domains, and a dream of expanding into mainstream as well.

Seriously, who do you think you are kidding?

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no one ........

pimp3611

Well said...deserves a bump

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fris

well said jdoughs

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snap-ety-snap

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congrats to the winners!

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Mr Bond

You and the name of your site were Only STATED. Nothing positive or negative was said about them by me or McLaren


Doughs, I never had a problem with you but that's fuckin retarded.

WHY IN THE FUCK Would I want to Come Back to This FUCKING Industry??? (no pun intended at all) Seriously, why would I want to come back to this this SHIT??? That's EXACTLY Why I left in the first place. Years ago!! I basically retired around the same time, I don't need shit and you know it. I put Thunder-Ball up for sale. You KNOW THIS - YOU KNOW THE HISTORY! So the only thing I can think of is your memory is even worse than mine which I did not think was possible.


I LEFT YEARS AGO!! ... That's that Cold Feeling You Got. Why did that happen? I got sick of the fuckin bullshit just like this thread. Accusations, baseless name calling.

And it was not you at those times - it has only become you now because your one of the few left standing. Whenever there's a fight in the forums EVERYONE Jumps on their ICQ and gets their friends to back them in a thread. But, I don't think you do that doughs, from what I see can see I do not think that would be your style. I'm just describing the general atmosphere here which hasn't change one bit.

Throughout it's ENTIRE HISTORY from Rise To Fall Thunder-Ball was HATED ON IN Forums over and over again. It's Shit! - It's Shit! - It's Shit!!!!!. But the traffic graphs and paid member signups told the truth. Even at the PEEK of TBNs popularity and service just barely over 200 a day when 90-95% of users were happy - there would be 1 or a few people that didn't get their ass kissed to their satisfaction and would drop a forum BOMB.

Even more insulting, every once in a while someone would signup(paid) and ask for NEW Features - and act like they were robbed when they didn't get them. I didn't promise or even imply there would be anything new. Further more, I was called unethical for charging to cover hosting costs. I came to understand - that the paid members don't waste time in forums. They pay, they do their work, and they go. No forums - No Drama. Along the same lines they paid to get away from the bullshit and the noobs. Sick of dealing with mass requests from thumblogger and other free hosts.


I told McLaren not to come here but he obviously didn't listen. And the idea that we are the same person is 500% RETARDED! We don't even live in the same state. But we can no sooner prove that than you can prove otherwise. "OMG ITS BOND IT DISGUISE!!!!!" You guys are Seriously fuckin Paranoid but I understand why and that's why I left. From the time I entered the biz till the time I left - no one trusted anyone until they had run the obstacle course of bullshit.

The site design and the programming being the same. Do I really need to lead you to the answer on that?? You have a programmer - and I'll bet his sites look pretty much the same.

And you've got SOME NERVE With your list of site faults in everess When according to your own users - you can't even match the search that was made on thunder-ball OVER 5 YEARS AGO!! Aside from the logo which I do like Your Site LOOKS - LIKE ASS.

It's An ABSOLUTE INSULT TO THE PROGRAMMINGN WORLD. Which is why our original programmer decided to hop into the everess project. And if your site is so DAMN GOOD You've got nothing to worry about. But you did get the Thumbs Down when you ran your poll about paid membership - Need I say more?


And for all you guys patting doughs and each other on the back for his and other posts. Keep going, it's looking like a circle-jerk cuz you can count the amount of people on 1 hand and a few toes.


1 final thing to prove the filth of similar accusations , I was reading maybe a month ago about Tawnee Stone possibly dead and people were UNLOADING on Steve(LightSpeed)!!! Saying it's a fake and a fraud and a publicity stunt.

Steve was way bigger and better than I ever would have been and with people throwing shit like that at him its no surprise when you TROLLS come after us.

That is off Tread PROOF of the bullshit.
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Jdoughs

Wow man welcome back indeed. You said it yourself right there, of COURSE the sites look the same and have the same feel, they are the same site by the same man. Saying I'd recognize the style/programming anywhere is/was a compliment and despite what Everess said earlier, it was clearly built by you.

Why the big charade about it being brand new and 100% original, and coded from scratch.

The 'new' script is as new as the 'new owner'. It's one in the same as before.

I truly wish the site was BANGING and cutting edge, I wish it was as active as when I first saw it 4 years ago. You know how it was, I know how it was, I stated it many times how badass it was on these very boards. If you are building/running Everess I wish you the best of luck and welcome the competition it will bring. The constant misleading surely won't help that progress though, I mean circles are being talked in here and nothing makes sense.

I see that you're shocked I responded like I did and was so critical and you weren't picking on me, it was MY site and my sites construction and function that were criticized in this very thread many times by you before I posted, I did not start this game and had to eventually respond. You and "Everess" felt the need to toss my name around in this thread for some reason, how long can you expect me to not say something?

I was one of your most VOCAL supporters when things were good at t-ball, then when they were bad, I still was one of the most vocal supporters. Now you think you can rub my nose in shit, and have me sit quiet and eat it up?

No you're not 'coming back to this fucking industry' as you put it, you are going to do it mainstream, adult was where the initial userbase comes from, from the existing t-ball users still logging into check trades every couple days. In 2-3 weeks the script will be ready on the .com, and you'll bump users to it and 'release', and abandon the adult end like you did last time.

Good luck on the new site and I do wish the site best. I personally would love to have another site worth using for my link trades and as I said above, I'd still pay for paid features if there were any I just don't see it unfolding that way, and not based on past history, but based on this very thread and the things stated. The site isn't even live yet 100% and nobody is sure what to believe.

I am done in this thread, I'm not interested in arguing or pissing on each others pant legs, but could only read/hear so much about the thread without finally saying something, despite the smart side of my brain telling me to shut the fuck up and ignore it. Which is what I intend to do now.

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I did not mean for this to get personal

Remember that it is YOU That Thew the First Stones


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Jdoughs

Dude, for real, re-read this thread. My name and linkspuns construction/design were brought up long before me, or anybody I know posted in here. It even says on the Everess main site that imports from LS are available, this is not allowed and could be a threat to our operations and server load, but the whole 'construction' issue gets me, now I feel like someone fucked my wife. Really.

If Kaktuz hit me up asking if we could do a LS/LO import/export together we'd be on the ball in minutes toward getting it done. If you hit me up asking similar for t-ball or Everess I'd be all over it. Instead we read that LS wasn't good enough, and put together improperly and that you can rape our db, for our data, to build up your own active trades list.

I WILL allow exports when requested, I would NOT turn down a user of such privileges, but we cannot have people just hitting the db for such data at will, it jeopardizes all the data we do have, and our ability to serve it up. So that will always remain a 'not without written permission' type scenario.

I do not have an import function for this very reason, it needs to be co-operative effort otherwise it is an intrusive attack. You would not want me scraping your db either, and I wouldn't think of it.

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Relentless

Everess mentioned linkspun in the their/your opening posts... or I'd have had no reason to bring LS up.
I was a paying member of thunderball, an advertiser on the site and referred others to become users and advertisers of the tball site.
My disgust with tball comes from the complete lack of support for members, advertisers and myself personally when you bailed.
I'd be happy to use two or three or ten good link sites, but using a bad one is detrimental to the webmaster community.

My questions were fair and simple. Who owns everss, does anyone know them and can they be trusted.
The only reason not to answer is if the owners are unknowns or people who can't be trusted.
If everess is owned by someone reputable feel free to let us all know who that is and what they have one before.

As for me being 'judgmental', yer damn right I'm judgmental of people who have billed me for services they failed to provide in the past or people who burn quality companies and web masters that I have referred to them in the past. If you think that's my 'business model' you know very little about my business... which isn't surprising, because frankly you seem to know very little about your own business model as well.

Mr Bond

Yes that's true but not between me and you or McLaren. Prior to that post I said nothing negative or positive about you or your site.

I did a quick scan like you said and it was brought up by relentless and spun out of control from there(typical GFY).

Relentless got in McLaren's face and polished it off with a statement about you - Putting You up and him down (indirectly read the post). Post number - fuck theres no post numbers anymore. ahh post #27. Hes a noob, he doesn't know You he doesn't know Relentless and he obviously does not know how it works around here. I told him to stay away from all forums (like I tried to over the years). And although he clearly over-reacted I don't blame him for taking offense He comes from a world where he is trusted - Very trusted - and for someone to even hint that he is in any way - any kind of scam is a major insult. And then the Fucking Trolls and Sig Whores Piled ON and he FREAKED



I seriously don't know what your talking about - that is no where in this thread. I never said anything negative about you. He never said anything negative about you. I don't know what your talking about!!!



He can't!!!! It's a Breech of Federal Law!! You're protected even without a terms of service.


Enough for 1 day

shit

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Mr Bond

Just when I thought I was done


I remember the kind of account I gave you so don't imply that you did not get what you paid for. ALL Advertisers had run WAY more then they paid for. Your statement is pretty general about being billd for services not delivered - but that can not be applied to thunder-ball - AT ALL.


I will admit that Support was a fucking nightmare --- ON BOTH ENDS --- For EVERYONE!!! Alicia was CONSTANTLY HOUNDED - CONSTANTLY!!! Relentlessly!!! (no play on words I'm serious here). She was hounded So much that she could not sort out the Real Support issues from the people DEMANDING NEW Stuff that we never offered!!!

It was INSANE!!! People DEMANDING THAT WE FIX things with thumbblogger - DEMANDING That We FIX things with sensualwriter, Blaming our Spider Saying its Broken when it is the other Partner coding the Link Wrong!! If doughs reads through here again - I ASSURE YOU HE CAN RELATE


The spider has not been wrong in over 3 YEARS!! Maybe 4. We are not responsible for other peoples sites. No matter how many times we explained it - People are STILL BITCHING AT HER TODAY.

So every case - EVERY CASE - that came in had to be explained and explained over and over again to the user that it is the other person is coding the link wrong. They don't get any response from the other person so they vented their BLAMING ANGER on her. The people that had legitimate needs - got buried - and it was NOT intentional. If I made her support logs public - you would Definitly have a different opinion of the situation.

She was Overloaded and stressing out - Finally I made her take a vacation.

So, The "disgust" is on both sides of the fence. You know this industry probably better than anyone. You know exactly how people get. So now that I've explained it - I think You understand The Support Situation.



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I can certainly relate, no question there.

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EVERESS

This place... Is by Definition... Insane.

But aside from the conflicts some people have asked some questions about my theories. And that's all they ever are... Theories, I will post my theories and you can either believe them... Or Not. All I say is listen/read with an open mind before hammering the... You don't know shit button.

In time you will see that my theories ( with or without proof ) make sense.

But NOT if you're a Forum-HATER... Hell Bent on Gunning the new guy down.

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linkspun is stil better

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Relentless

Linkspun was mentioned by Everess twice in post #1 and again (in a negative way) in post #4.... long before I entered the thread. You saying I brought it up is inaccurate and a bit silly because anyone reading can simply check the posts at the start of the thread.

I can definitely appreciate the amount of support requests you were getting with thunderball... and I'm sure we can both also agree that managing and satisfying all of them proved to be too much for the original tball team to handle (which is the reason it became defunct). However, as someone who paid for a membership, advertised on the site and referred many others to do the same - that outcome was far from desirable.

Now someone new, who it seems nobody knows, is suggesting they will be able to handle exactly what thunderball did not handle properly in the past... and yet, they find the questions 'who are you?'and 'can anyone vouch for you?' to be insulting somehow? Based on the history of that site and my limited involvement in how it was monetized, I don't think those questions are the slightest bit rude or unfair.

My comments in this thread were not intended as an attack of everess or a defense of linkspun. They were intended to get important information from the new owner(s) which apparently is not forthcoming... so, it seems my questions have now been answered, at least indirectly.

Thanks.

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Redrob

Is this software compatible with Linkcontrol?

We've signed up with Linkcontrol after the Affiliate Summit and are not interested in fucking up our existing link management and reporting.

Thank you in advance for taking time to respond.

EVERESS

You will need to quote post 1 to uphold this statement... Why didn't you...?

Post 4 I said "we didn't like it's construction" ... Which is Pretty FAR from the trash you so casually threw at me when implying "a defunct piece of garbage" with no this and no that

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EVERESS

At this moment... No. However if we can get in contact with you in some way we can have it integrated ( if possible ). We already have requests to integrate with 3rd party systems and none have been a problem so far.

Apparently there is no private messaging here so How can we contact you ... Or if you have 40 seconds you can register at EVERESS.net and email me there. Username: JR.McLaren

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Agent 488

would never use everess since bond is involved.

Relentless

Wow... you are trying to sell link trading software to SEOs and webmasters but you can't parse your own message board posts for the keyword 'linkspun'? Really?

Post #1:
Everess Says: "Our Spiders have Identified 17 Major Adult Clusters Including Thunder-Ball and LinkSpun."

Everess Says: "LinkSpun Domain Cluster Contains Approximately: 21,288 Domains"

That's two mentions of Linkspun in your first post exactly as I pointed out above.

Post #4
Everess Says: "We Purchased The ThunderBall system from Mr.Bond (as you knew him) several months ago. We looked at LinkSpun too but didn't like it's construction. ThunderBall also had like 70,000 Domains where as we estimated LinkSpun around 20,000"

That's the second post in which you tried to bring linkspun into your announcement (and this time in a negative way). Twenty-three posts later in post #27 I asked you who you are and "how we can be sure this system won't become a defunct piece of garbage with zero support from the owner the way TBall ended up."

Anyone who used tball would agree it ended badly with no support for paying members or advertisers, let alone free users. That's anyone familiar with thunderball including the former owner Mr. Bond who admitted as much in his above posts #79 and #85. Everess may be great or may be garbage, I haven't used it. Thunderball did become a defunct piece of garbage, and as the buyer you ought to be aware of that. If you want to shed some light on other sites or projects you have successfully managed, let me know... I'm always listening. If you don't, then you may want to accept the fact that your product is unfortunately linked to tball which ended badly and wasted a huge amount of webmasters' time including some of my own.

My posts are clear. Suggesting things that are still recorded in this thread were not said, or were said in a different order or by different people is silly. Anyone reading the thread can see the exact order of things said and who the speaker was at the time.

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V_RocKs

Uhh.. No... A competent programmer and site owner should make sure this kind of stuff (URL's with or without the trailing /) don't happen. It just makes good sense. Your elitist attitude compliments that of the previous owner.

V_RocKs

Come back when you get off of the drugs man. Or did they burn your brain in such a way that you can no longer see things from another persons point of view?

That is the mark of a crazy person. The lack in ability to see things from the other way around. You have always had that problem and it has always been the Achilles heal of TB.

When I read his "attack" I saw them as valid questions and when I read his update to why he asks the questions he asks they totally made sense. This guy is asking me to invest 1/2 a day getting my stuff set up in his system. He is asking me to work with him on making his site a competitive product. Then he is asking me to put up with his elitist attitude. I already did that with you and I am sorry, but I won't do it again...

V_RocKs

As for paying members making requests for features you never offered...

Do I really need to enter the TB forum and quote the features we requested?

Off the top of my head...

The trailing slash problem. I could have fixed that for you. A simple check for a slash being the last character, if not there, put it on... simple!

The stripping of www. from the links. This wasn't a feature request! It was asking you to make the fucking site work! We paid for it to work! Somehow this got broken, all we asked for was that it be restored to its original working condition!

Various problems with not seeing certain characters as the same in anchor text... Your site didn't know %20 was a space. Or what encoded html entities were. Simple shit it needed to know because Wordpress converts ' into them! This isn't a fucking feature, it is a fundamentally required function for any service working with link checking!

The fact is that you basically stopped supporting us so we left. Now for the real big kicker... and I know you won't believe me... But JDoughs actually covers the huge costs of running the site all by selling ads. He knows how to market the site. He brings in thousands a month doing so and spends it all adding new features. And that is why this happened:

Mr Bond

Ya, I'm bettin your French - and that's about as much as you said before raising the whiite flag.

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EVERESS

I don't know what your saying here. Our message board does not restrict any words. The word "parse" commonly means to separate(there are others uses but I'm assuming that's the one you mean). but again we do not restrict any words from our message board and there is no search. Unlike the guy that runs thumblogger that banned any use of the word thunder-ball (I know that has nothing to do with you I'm just saying we don't do that).

If the Simple Stating of a Number is a negative thing to you... That's just YOU ...
you are being Overly Assertive. There are NO ADJECTIVES describing the number as positive or negative ... so you can Read Into that as much as you like. Apparently You can ALWAYS Find something Negative... even if it's not negative you are calling it that.

I have Not used Any Negative Words such as: Garbage, trash, shit, etc... and THAT IS A FACT... You saying my statements are Negative is only Opinion since you can not find any negative words in my statements.


You have labeled me as being on a Negative Campaign against LinkSpun... I AM NOT!. And the only thing I have to back me up on that is a post from like a month ago WAY BEFORE this bar room brawl began:

http://www.gfy.com/gfy-educational-series/972141-generating-hardlinks-using-strategy-based-linking-tools-2.html Post #87


Eventually you would have seen that I advocate the use of Both Systems... But before I could say anything like that you were all over me Requiring credibility... and an autobiography.


That is true as Bond has admitted.

But now that I am here to change that...

- I am accused of being Bond.
- Accused of being unable to provide support
- Accused of being unable to maintain service...
- and the list goes on.

Advertisers that had FAR exceeded the length of their term... Do Not Require Support. This was determined as the site was passed off to me... the same time your banner and name came up. All advertisers had exceeded their paid time (by a long shot).


I understand you don't want your time wasted. I know there are a lot of hit and Run Scams not just in adult (and ESPECIALLY IN SEO). I Don't Think Like that... and that's why I honestly don't know how to answer you on some of your questions..

Who am I ... well my name is in my signature?? What have I done: Well at age 22 I was an analyst at IBM. After which I became an independent analyst and consultant for 7 maybe 8 years. Around maybe 2003 I started analyzing websites for SEO and that's where I come from. You can't expect me to divulge my client list for the same reason people want private profiles at thunderball. They don't want their site architectures copied.

But I Seriously Doubt any of theses answers are going to mean anything to your or anyone here. I have seen threads in all types of forums and Especially here in which people require proof that can NEVER be substantiated. And then it just goes around and around in circles.



Well TAKE A Look before you Leap!!! Less than 3 minutes inside EVERESS will show you that it is a major build. Every page... every step... has been stared at for weeks. The database alone took 45 days just to design. We Took our time. It was a MAJOR EFFORT.


If you knew the amount of effort and money it took to build EVERESS You would know it is absurd to think that it is any kind of scam. But with you I can't be so sure... you think the statement of a number used in a inert context is "negative".


If you do not take the time to look at something before making ANY kind of statements about it positive or negative... That is by definition - Prejudice.

I am open for debate... But not when you stat opinions as Facts.

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Mr Bond

Fris - THE ULTIMATE SIG WHORE!!!

I think theres 1 other but can't remember the name.

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