will religion take over the world?

[Grapesoda]

http://fora.tv/2010/09/05/Eric_Kaufm... h#fullprogram

[CaptainHowdy]

Unfortunately, yes...

[Grapesoda]

before or after the second coming of Jesus Christ?

[DEA - banned for life]

do you live in a cave??

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

before or after the second coming of Jesus Christ?

Your question should be: "Which religion will take over the world?"...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by DEA

do you live in a cave??

can you follow a 1 hour lecture?

[Chosen]

Nope....

[12clicks]

how silly.........
the world is less religious now than at any time in its history, making the entire lecture bullshit.
the blowhards in this video are desperately trying to earn a living by being controversial so they get paid for their NEXT speech

[Nicky]

Let's hope religion gets extinct

[SmokeyTheBear]

hate to agree with 12braincells above because usually his answers are complete trash and he is a weasel, but for once he is spot on.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

how silly.........
the world is less religious now than at any time in its history, making the entire lecture bullshit.
the blowhards in this video are desperately trying to earn a living by being controversial so they get paid for their NEXT speech

did you watch the video or just start talking shit? everything the guy says is based on statics's, population grown and societal trends

[pornguy]

I actually see it as being less religious as well. But that's my 2 cents

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

did you watch the video or just start talking shit? everything the guy says is based on statics's, population grown and societal trends

Look up something called the "residual fallacy", because I can find you a video or sites that tell the exact opposite story.

Let's hope religion gets extinct

Why? So we can have morons running around doing whatever they want, and then justifying it with relativism? Also, you probably don't understand what religion really is, which is why you don't understand that "religion" as a concept can never go extinct.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Your question should be: "Which religion will take over the world?"...

the more of these retards that blow up, the less there will be in this world.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Look up something called the "residual fallacy", because I can find you a video or sites that tell the exact opposite story.



Why? So we can have morons running around doing whatever they want, and then justifying it with relativism? Also, you probably don't understand what religion really is, which is why you don't understand that "religion" as a concept can never go extinct.

anyone who needs religion to behave properly should just kill themselves.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Look up something called the "residual fallacy", because I can find you a video or sites that tell the exact opposite story.



Why? So we can have morons running around doing whatever they want, and then justifying it with relativism? Also, you probably don't understand what religion really is, which is why you don't understand that "religion" as a concept can never go extinct.

big fan of Sowell, will look it up later... I didn't post this vid to be a 'a fucking hysterical know it all, live in my mom's basment, work at pizza hut surfer' I was curiuous to find other opinions. thanks

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by Nicky

Let's hope religion gets extinct

Religion is coming back with a vengeance...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

the more of these retards that blow up, the less there will be in this world.

yep, until they walk in the mall YOU'RE AT with a bomb stuck up their ass and set it off

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

anyone who needs religion to behave properly should just kill themselves.

Morons like this prove my point. Without religion/set of morals and ethics, we'd have dumbasses like this running around, justifying everything with relativism.

big fan of Sowell, will look it up later... I didn't post this vid to be a 'a fucking hysterical know it all, live in my mom's basment, work at pizza hut surfer' I was curiuous to find other opinions. thanks

Definitely a good read. Pretty much explains most social policy in this country over the last century..

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Morons like this prove my point. Without religion/set of morals and ethics, we'd have dumbasses like this running around, justifying everything with relativism.

Thats a total assumption. You think people would start robbing and killing because there is no god? Religion and morals/ethics aren't related or don't have to be. Religion played its part during a time when most people were totally uneducated. Its not needed now. It doesn't take a genius or a god to realize what is right and what is wrong. What about common sense, treating people like you want to be treated. You don't need an invisible judge in the sky to be good and if you do, you should be locked up.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Thats a total assumption. You think people would start robbing and killing because there is no god? What about common sense, treating people like you want to be treated. You need an invisible judge in the sky to be good and if you do, you should be locked up.

Yea, we've seen what happens with the absence of religion. Have you ever heard of two guys named Hitler and Stalin? No, there's no common sense because dumbasses(like you) populate this planet and use whatever logic to justify their actions. At least with a higher being, we can no longer rationalize our actions. Good luck with that though.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

hate to agree with 12braincells above because usually his answers are complete trash and he is a weasel, but for once he is spot on.

your opinion of me is an indicator of why you've never been more than an off again on again unemployed 70yr old. script kiddie

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

did you watch the video or just start talking shit? everything the guy says is based on statics's, population grown and societal trends

please son.
everything the guy said was NOT based on statistics but on projections. big difference.
one of the most important points that he completely ignores when trotting out his silly projection for the future is the 3rd world's inability to feed itself. The population increases he bases his [i]theory[/] on are temporary and will not continue. but of course, if he told the truth, he wouldn't have anything to be paid to speak about, would he?

[wig]

Looking at the 1st world, industrialized countries, why do some of the less religious countries have a higher level of societal health than more religious countries?

http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Yea, we've seen what happens with the absence of religion. Have you ever heard of two guys named Hitler and Stalin? No, there's no common sense because dumbasses(like you) populate this planet and use whatever logic to justify their actions. At least with a higher being, we can no longer rationalize our actions. Good luck with that though.

Uh, religion is just a whole other set of justificatons. Justify killing in the name of god, perscuting others in the name of god. basically religion is the ultimate justification because you can say you need to do x or y in the name of god and god can never respond.

Oh, and Hilter was a christian. Just look up some quotes from him. Like this one..My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

please son.
everything the guy said was NOT based on statistics but on projections. big difference.
one of the most important points that he completely ignores when trotting out his silly projection for the future is the 3rd world's inability to feed itself. The population increases he bases his [i]theory[/] on are temporary and will not continue. but of course, if he told the truth, he wouldn't have anything to be paid to speak about, would he?

so your conjecture is that peoples/cultures disposed to be religious will starve to death before the numbers are large enough to cause any harm to the world society as a whole?

I'm not your son

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

so your conjecture is that peoples/cultures disposed to be religious will starve to death before the numbers are large enough to cause any harm to the world society as a whole?

I'm not your son

don't confuse yourself.
the only religion causing harm is islam.
The majority of religions do far more harm than good, making your assumption that religion will somehow harm society, laughable.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

don't confuse yourself.
the only religion causing harm is islam.
The majority of religions do far more harm than good, making your assumption that religion will somehow harm society, laughable.

is it the steroids? small penis? do you have to try and belittle everyone all the time? WTF is wrong with you? fundamental Christianity and Judaism will stop scientific advances just as fast as Islam. think 'stem cell research' 'the sun revolves around the moon' the earth is six thousand years old' 'man was created by a mythological being from dirt' etc etc etc...

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by wig

Looking at the 1st world, industrialized countries, why do some of the less religious countries have a higher level of societal health than more religious countries?

http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html

Wow, out of the millions of factors, you choose one and then add some kind of correlation to make your point..

Uh, religion is just a whole other set of justificatons. Justify killing in the name of god, perscuting others in the name of god. basically religion is the ultimate justification because you can say you need to do x or y in the name of god and god can never respond.

Except there's no justifying killing in the name of God. People who take their respective bibles literally are no better than people who dislike religion. I would rather follow Torah commandments than make up my own rules, knowing the stupidity of people.

Oh, and Hilter was a christian. Just look up some quotes from him. Like this one..My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."

Wrong, hitler was a Christian when he needed to get elected Chancellor. Hitler killed Jews, Christians, Gypsies and created his own "religion". That's what inevitably happens when someone doesn't want to follow whatever religion already exists.. They claim they hate religion, then start believing in whatever makes them sleep better at night, and finally create a cult. Good thing you didn't mention Stalin

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

don't confuse yourself.
the only religion causing harm is islam.
The majority of religions do far more harm than good, making your assumption that religion will somehow harm society, laughable.

I agree with you on most issues but you're going overboard here. When people denounce Islam, they're really confused about what they're saying. There's a reason why the great majority of American Muslims are peaceful people, while those in the Middle East are not. If you do your history on the Crusades, followed by enlightenment, you'll realize that the Middle Eastern Muslims did not have the "enlightenment", and degenerated back to their primal ways, whereas most of the European Muslims who experienced enlightenment, turned out to be normal human beings. Thank the Dark Ages for this.

[wig]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Wow, out of the millions of factors, you choose one and then add some kind of correlation to make your point..

You stated:

Yea, we've seen what happens with the absence of religion.

I'm just pointing out the problem with you choosing one factor (absence of religion) to make your point.

There are many factors, and correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation -- which you should apply to your original point.

But from the study I posted we can conclude that, contrary to your common wisdom, that it is not a given that religious societies (people) are better, healthier, or more moral.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by wig

You stated:

I'm just pointing out the problem with you choosing one factor (absence of religion) to make your point.

There are many factors, and correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation -- which you should apply to your original point.

But from the study I posted we can conclude that, contrary to your common wisdom, that it is not a given that religious societies (people) are better, healthier, or more moral.

While your last paragraph is something I agree with, I think you're misunderstanding what i'm doing. My examples weren't just absence of religion, but anti religion as well(if you can't creating your own and destroying others). Hitler tried to create his own, while Stalin supported secularism. There's not only correlation here, but causation as well.. Your example could have millions of factors in there.. But I digress.

[HomerSimpson]

I hope not since it will be a huge step back...

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Wow, out of the millions of factors, you choose one and then add some kind of correlation to make your point..


Except there's no justifying killing in the name of God. People who take their respective bibles literally are no better than people who dislike religion. I would rather follow Torah commandments than make up my own rules, knowing the stupidity of people.


Wrong, hitler was a Christian when he needed to get elected Chancellor. Hitler killed Jews, Christians, Gypsies and created his own "religion". That's what inevitably happens when someone doesn't want to follow whatever religion already exists.. They claim they hate religion, then start believing in whatever makes them sleep better at night, and finally create a cult. Good thing you didn't mention Stalin

Sorry but at least 80% of all death and destruction in the history of the world can be traced back to religion one way or another.

And you mention the stupidity of people, well who do you think made up these 'rules', yes people. As much as you might want to think they "came from god" there was still a man writing them down even if they did. All religious ideals and rules were made by people. good thing we've dropped certain ones over the years or else we'd be living like animals.

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

All religious ideals and rules were made by people. good thing we've dropped certain ones over the years or else we'd be living like animals.

Animals wouldn't be so dumb to kill themselves. Only humans do that...

[Klen]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Morons like this prove my point. Without religion/set of morals and ethics, we'd have dumbasses like this running around, justifying everything with relativism.



Definitely a good read. Pretty much explains most social policy in this country over the last century..

Some of biggest scams and crimes are done in name of God....

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Sorry but at least 80% of all death and destruction in the history of the world can be traced back to religion one way or another.

And you mention the stupidity of people, well who do you think made up these 'rules', yes people. As much as you might want to think they "came from god" there was still a man writing them down even if they did. All religious ideals and rules were made by people. good thing we've dropped certain ones over the years or else we'd be living like animals.

and before organized religion there wasn't war? wrong...

violence is in us, it's innate. Assuming the rest of the world will all be rational and peaceful if they gave up their religious beliefs has to be the most naive idea of all time.

[wig]

Originally Posted by The Demon

While your last paragraph is something I agree with, I think you're misunderstanding what i'm doing. My examples weren't just absence of religion, but anti religion as well...

Originally Posted by Nicky

Let's hope religion gets extinct

Originally Posted by The Demon

So we can have morons running around doing whatever they want, and then justifying it with relativism?

Originally Posted by The Demon

Morons like this prove my point. Without religion/set of morals and ethics, we'd have dumbasses like this running around, justifying everything with relativism.

You'll have to forgive me if I misunderstood what you were on about.

Originally Posted by The Demon

At least with a higher being, we can no longer rationalize our actions.

I would argue exactly the opposite... with the higher being on your side (allegedly), believers are free to rationalize almost anything.

I'm sure the Moabites, Amalekites and Canaanites would agree.

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

don't confuse yourself.
the only religion causing harm is islam.The majority of religions do far more harm than good, making your assumption that religion will somehow harm society, laughable.

Ahh right because Christianity has never caused harm. Oh wait I see, as long as its not affected you. Tell that to the thousands of children that have been abused by priests.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Sorry but at least 80% of all death and destruction in the history of the world can be traced back to religion one way or another.

Glad you have facts to back this up.... Oh wait... You don't.
Hitler and Stalin killed more people than religion ever could. Next=>

And you mention the stupidity of people, well who do you think made up these 'rules', yes people. As much as you might want to think they "came from god" there was still a man writing them down even if they did. All religious ideals and rules were made by people. good thing we've dropped certain ones over the years or else we'd be living like animals.

So you're claiming my beliefs are wrong because it's a fact(your opinion) that since there is no God, man must have written the various bibles? There's too many logical fallacies to paste here.. Just an uneducated, simple minded statement. Please continue.

[CaptainHowdy]

Theology + GFY = LOL

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Glad you have facts to back this up.... Oh wait... You don't.
Hitler and Stalin killed more people than religion ever could. Next=>


So you're claiming my beliefs are wrong because it's a fact(your opinion) that since there is no God, man must have written the various bibles? There's too many logical fallacies to paste here.. Just an uneducated, simple minded statement. Please continue.

Did hitler not kill people because they were JEWISH, last time i looked that was a religion.

[The Demon]

I would argue exactly the opposite... with the higher being on your side (allegedly), believers are free to rationalize almost anything.

I'm sure the Moabites, Amalekites and Canaanites would agree.

I'm sure they won't. They used a higher being or beings to their own benefit, just like non religious people use relativism to theirs. The truly religious monotheists don't take everything so literally and don't use God as an excuse.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Did hitler not kill people because they were JEWISH, last time i looked that was a religion.

Did you... Completely not understand what was typed? Hitler killed Jews for more aspects than religion, as well as Christians, but that's not even the point. I can't believe I have to explain this to a grown man. Two people who were against religions killed over 50 million people. That's more people killed than any massacres "in the name of God".

[wig]

Originally Posted by The Demon

I'm sure they won't. They used a higher being or beings to their own benefit, just like non religious people use relativism to theirs. The truly religious monotheists don't take everything so literally and don't use God as an excuse.

No true Scotsman

In your preferred text, more specifically for example Numbers 31:7-18, you can't possibly argue that Moses et al did not use their higher being to their own benefit while simultaneously rationalizing away what any reasonable person would consider immoral behavior.

It starts out with... Numbers 31:7 "They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man."

Is Moses an example of a NON truly religious monotheist? Or do you take this as allegory while accepting literally the Flood story?

[wig]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Did hitler not kill people because they were JEWISH, last time i looked that was a religion.

It doesn't matter. Yes, the Catholic church supported Hitler and Hitler used language that any reasonable person would describe as religious and even Christian. German soldiers wore Gott mit uns (God with us) on their belt buckles. Hitler referenced the Christian god several times in Mein Kampf.

But regardless, I don't believe that religion or religious wars have killed more people, but either way I don't really think that helps settle any matter regarding the veracity of religion or its potential utility or harm.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Did hitler not kill people because they were JEWISH, last time i looked that was a religion.

Hitler started killing jews not on "religious" grounds but on (pseudo) "biological" grounds...

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by wig

No true Scotsman

In your preferred text, more specifically for example Numbers 31:7-18, you can't possibly argue that Moses et al did not use their higher being to their own benefit while simultaneously rationalizing away what any reasonable person would consider immoral behavior.

It starts out with... Numbers 31:7 "They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man."

Is Moses an example of a NON truly religious monotheist? Or do you take this as allegory while accepting literally the Flood story?

There are things in the Torah that have explanations in separate books, and there are things, events that you would take literally. The flood is a literal event, and one that has been researched for a while. Evidence exists that it did in fact happen. The popular belief was that it was a volcano and then a tsunami... Do I know why Moses did what he did? Does the Torah specifically state that God commanded Moses to destroy the Midianites because of what they were doing? I think so but that's something I'd have to ask a Rabbi. I can't give you an answer until then but I doubt it's the same thing as modern rationalizations using God. Find me one and I can give you an explanation of that rule/law/rationalization.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Glad you have facts to back this up.... Oh wait... You don't.
Hitler and Stalin killed more people than religion ever could. Next=>


So you're claiming my beliefs are wrong because it's a fact(your opinion) that since there is no God, man must have written the various bibles? There's too many logical fallacies to paste here.. Just an uneducated, simple minded statement. Please continue.

Regardless if there is a god or not, man wrote whats in the bible. You really think that even if it did come from 'god', that those writting didn't put their own slant on it? How do you like the fact that one of the main reasons jews have been persecuted is due to the fact that they killed god's son? Do you think there would of been a holocaust if the guy the jews killed wasn't supposed to be god's only begotten son? And good ole Stalin, sure he was atheist or whatever but what difference would it of made if he was Roman Catholic? Did world leaders being religous stop them from slaughtering people? Nope. Keep brusing it off as a 'simple minded statement' but there are so many 'logical fallacies' about religion and the bible i could write about it for a lifetime and not finish.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Regardless if there is a god or not, man wrote whats in the bible

Prove up or shut up.

You really think that even if it did come from 'god', that those writting didn't put their own slant on it?

Yes, I think it came from God. No, it's not my job to convince you.

How do you like the fact that one of the main reasons jews have been persecuted is due to the fact that they killed god's son?

The Jews were persecuted a thousand years before we killed Jesus, and we will be persecuted a thousand years from now. Chosen people=>

Do you think there would of been a holocaust if the guy the jews killed wasn't supposed to be god's only begotten son?

This shows me you have no understanding hof history. You think we had a holocause because...We killed Jesus? Please tell me you're 12 years old.. That's one of the dumbest assertions I've ever heard. The holocaust happened for economic reasons, not religious ones.

And good ole Stalin, sure he was atheist or whatever but what difference would it of made if he was Roman Catholic? Did world leaders being religous stop them from slaughtering people? Nope. Keep brusing it off as a 'simple minded statement' but there are so many 'logical fallacies' about religion and the bible i could write about it for a lifetime and not finish.

Show me one logical fallacy. At least wig is putting up good arguments that are out of my area of expertise. You're like an angry little kid. Either make a good argument or stfu.