MaDalton

what a massive bloodbath we would have now...

or would have Mubarak never made 30 years in power? we'll never know.

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I vote for Scenario B.

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SkyWalker

That is the entire point of the 2nd amendment.
Not just the army (working for the government) has weapons.

Armed taxpayers are called citizens,
Unarmed taxpayers are called subjects.

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moeloubani

Lol @ the people who think the second amendment means anything

Sure you can own a gun, go ahead and try to point it at a government official. Now you're going to jail.

Waging war against the United States is treason, it's laid out very clearly in your constitution. So in Canada where we don't all have guns it's not like we're doing anything more illegal than Americans if we get guns to use against the government. Guns for citizens is just a way to keep Americans afraid of EACH OTHER so they don't unite, and this kind of thing doesn't happen.

FlexxAeon

and that's why i believe in the 2nd amendment (though i dont exercise it). lol me and my boy was just discussing this the other day.

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..isnt that what they are fighting for...maybe not the right to own guns ..but ..some of the same rights we have in the US constittution...like freedom of speech..democratic elections..etc etc.

maybe you are looking at it from inside the box..try stepping outside and lookng in ;)

Cyber Fucker

Imagine everyone in the USA having nothing to put in a mouth. Oh my... wild west rebirth.

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GatorB

Bullshit. A bunch of hillbillies and their deer rifles are not a match for the US armed forces. And if you think they are then that's disrespecting our men and women in the armed forces. So are you for the troops or against them?

Rochard

The other night we were watching this on TV and I said "How barbaric". My wife said "That's only because they don't have guns".

Exactly. We can have all of the guns in the world, but that's not going to stop the US military. Our little guns won't be stopping a tank when it rolls down Main Street USA.

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What happens if US citizens revolt, begin an uprising, and the US military sides with the citizens instead of the government? For all intents & purposes, the military is a separate entity from the government, with the mission of protecting the US against all enemies, foreign and domestic, right? So what happens if they side with the citizens, and decide the enemy is the US government?

That scenario is hardly unprecedented in world history.

The US almost seems like it could be heading in that direction as well. There's quite a few homeless, bitter, resentful, well trained soldiers sleeping on the street or living well below the poverty line right now, who believe their government has shitted on them.

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GatorB

Exactly even back in the 1860's when the hillbillies were evenly armed with the US Army THEY STILL LOST. In the last 150 years the difference in fire power between the armed forces and the average American has grown exponentially. And inbred redneck keeping guns thinking they are going to prevent the government for taking over if they became "evil" is an idiot. They'll be the first to be killed or taken to "re-education" camp.

GatorB

And that has NOTHING to do with the fact the citizens have guns. It's obviously the confiscated MILITARY weapons that would be making the difference.

mynameisjim

Why would the U.S. military fight citizens? Assuming there is an uprising, it means that conditions in America for the average person have been getting worse and worse. The military is made up primarily of middle and lower economic class people, there is a good chance the military would side with citizens.

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It has everything to do with citizens having guns. An uprising / popular revolt isn't possible (especially in a police state such as the US) unless the populous is armed.

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GatorB

And if they are amred then they intend on shotting something. That something will shoot back not join them.

Kiopa_Matt

Turn on any news station. Do you see Egyptians hurling rocks at soldiers?

Or take a look at the last round of protests in Thailand. Up until the end, the soldiers were on the protesters side.

Quit being so dense...

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Why would I imagine something like that?

SallyRand

Revolution is NOT "waging war" and it's also not defined as "treason" by The Constitution.

You're located in Canada and you know FUCK ALL about the USA, its Constitution, the history of The Second Amendment and you should:

(1) Grab a little education and keep posting.

(2) STFU (Preferable).

You cold-assed motherfuckers in Canada don't have one as you still worship The Queen.

The complete text of the Declaration of Independence.

(Adopted by Congress on July 4, 1776)

The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen United States of America

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands.

He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.

He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature.

He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states:

For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing taxes on us without our consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury:

For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses:

For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule in these colonies:

For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments:

For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.

We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

New Hampshire: Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts: John Hancock, Samual Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island: Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut: Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York: William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey: Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania: Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware: Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland: Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia: George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina: William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina: Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia: Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

Source: The Pennsylvania Packet, July 8, 1776

DAMNMAN

Never under estimate the power of large groups of people with firearms. The 2nd amendment isn't about duck hunting, it's about freedom from oppression by the elite.

If you think the US military had a hard time in Iraq, you ain't seen nothing if the shit hits the fan in the US.

If the government stops being by the people and for the people, it's on. "NO SUCH THING AS TREASON AGAINST A DICTATOR."

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Why

ive never heard such a strange outlook on this situation.... good thing its spring in canada so you can go back outside soon and get some sunlight!

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Mubarak Obama...

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Where do you think they bought their weapons in the first place?

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qft, thank you for posting that... people these days have a twisted view of what this government was setup to do and how it was supposed to function...

Can't say I blame them though as the government has slowly been usurping freedom and rights away from citizens for a good deal of time now... They've realized that as long as X% won't be up in arms about stripping away any given right, they can just slide the bill right through...

It has never been so evident as of late though... Most peoples' reaction to the clove / flavored cigarette ban is; I don't smoke so I don't really care. Their reaction to the ban on incandescent light bulbs is; I use CFLs already, so I don't really care. I always wear my seatbelt, so I don't really care. Even if they do care it's usually; I can't do anything about it so...

These acts of government strip rights away from people, regardless if you use that right or not and they only work one way... Let's give the amount of freedoms stripped from Americans some arbitrary number.... 10,000 and say the government passes 50 new freedom restricting bills per month (this is only for illustrative purposes).

10,000 + 50 + 50 + 50 + 50 + 50 + 50 + 50 ...

You get my point, there is no reversing this process and with each one of these bills new czars get appointed to oversee them, more staff is hired to manage them and report on them, and what do they result in? More taxes needed...

Unless a drastic change in policy and philosophy occurs we're headed towards a police/nanny state with super high taxes...

I blame it on the collectivist mentality so heavily ingrained in Republicrat agenda. THEY know what's best for EVERYONE and they're willing to force everyone into that path via taxation and legislation.

Once upon a time we had the greatest system of government on the planet. One whose sole purpose was to protect the inalienable rights of every citizen. That is not the case any more....

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moeloubani

Going to war against the US = treason.

SallyRand you're so stupid that you put the text of the declaration of independence when we were talking about the constitution you fucking dumb fuck

before you rip on me maybe you should read a little

everyone else that thinks that it's a weird out look look up there ^^ waging war on the US meaning going up in arms against the US is treason, so fuck your second amendment because what good are your guns if its illegal to use them?

enjoy your paperweights, idiots.

BestXXXPorn

Actually, you are the idiot... Her post was showing you where the founder father's thoughts lay during the period of time when the Constitution was drafted...

An uprising of citizens to overthrow the government is not going to war with the US... idiot... It's a revolution. the US Government isn't the United States, the people of the United States ARE the fucking United States... THAT'S the fucking point.

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SkyWalker

Absolutely clueless. You really don't understand, do you?
The amendments are a check on the government. The government gets its powers
from the citizens.

And to GatorB - Disrespecting the Military? Fool. The Military is made up of Citizens, they are not a seperate species. And the point is that a million men under arms would only be able to push so far agains 100 million armed citizens. Once again, a check.

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SkyWalker

Right. Thank you. Are Canadians this different? Or is this one just an idiot?
"deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

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AaronM

WTF? You don't have a tank?

Let me know if you want one and I'll hook you up. I can even arrange a test drive for serious buyers.

IllTestYourGirls

"Hillbillies" can't beat the US army (which consists of a lot of "hillbillies") but apparently hut and cave dwelling third world Taliban can make a war last 10 years and still control most of the country.

Lucky for us no one is calling for revolution.

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pornguy

You might want to re think that statement.

How many Active soldiers does the US have? How many can they deploy on the streets of the US?? All totaled, there are more guns In Georgia and people that know how to use them than the entire US army.

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Martin

The American Military has never beat a insurgency in its history. Now picture them trying to fight insurgents that look like them. If there was a Armed revolt in the US the Military would most likely stand on the side lines.

Martin

Tanks wouldn't be rolling down the American streets to fire on the American citizen. It just wouldn't happen.

MaDalton

i must say i admire the egypt military so far. they are totally neutral and just try to keep the opposed groups apart so that violence is kept to a minimum.

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Relentless

Never underestimate the power of an indigenous population protecting their homes and families... in the US or elsewhere. 300 million people fighting for their freedom, armed only with fists and teaspoons will easily outmatch the best and most well-armed military if it is staffed by people fighting for 'pay' rather than for the immediate safety of their homes and families. The 2nd Amendment just makes it faster and easier.

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Anthony

You are absolutely right. Think again if you think the US Military would follow orders to harm US Citizens.

Every person in uniform took an oath when we served.

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But first you have to take away their iPods, iPhones, iPads, smart phones, laptops, gym memberships, yoga classes, Starbucks, credit cards, SUVs, Sushi, cable television, low fat food, a lot more of their freedoms, and a million other things... you get the point.

It's gonna be a long time before anything like that happens in the USA. Gonna have to birth a new generation in poverty and leave them with no hope, no future and very little freedom, if any. THOSE are the people who will fight, as they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. But don't worry, it will happen. The road for new generations to be born into real poverty and massive amounts of debt is already being paved.

L-Pink

I could properly arm a small swat team.




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baddog

Tel that to the troops in Iraq. I am pretty sure the British thought the same thing in 1776

See above.

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"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson

SallyRand

Thank you for your kind post and glad you got the point precisely.

Although the Declartion lacks the force of law in our Republic and we here in the USA live in a Republic, NOT a democracy; that whole "democracy" thing being a myth which began to be promulgated during the FDR administration, the Declartion clearly shows the Founding Father's thoughts prior to enactment of the Constitution.

sort of like, "OK, we have the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to revolt and change the government if that government becomes oppressive so we are enacting this Constitution but remember, those of who you will hold future elecetive and administrative office, if you fuck it up, please see the Declaration!



On Treason in The Constitution:

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t103.htm

"The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court."

It will be noted that revolution is not "making war" against the states.

Secession is even legal in the USA according to the Supreme court:

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20041124.html

Attempts at or aspirations of secession from the United States have been a feature of the country's politics since its birth. Some have argued for a constitutional right of secession and others for a natural right of revolution. The United States Supreme Court ruled unilateral secession unconstitutional while commenting that revolution or consent of the states could lead to a successful secession.

SmokeyTheBear

The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in Egypt is 1.9 million

In Egypt, carrying a firearm in plain view in a public place is allowed without a permit

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Paul Markham

Some times the posters make me think, "What world do these guys live in?"

The Army has trained killers, it takes more than a gun to kill people go do some research.

They have people who know how to wage war.

The Army has more sophisticated weapons than will ever get into the hands of the general public, unless you have a Stealth Fighter in your garage and a company of M1 Abrams also.

The army works as one, not like the masses.

The last time US citizens kicked a trained armies ass. It was when GB was fighting France and Spain and America was a long sea journey away. Even then they found it tough. And they had similar weapons.

I live in the past, but not that far back.

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Imagine a scenario where all or even a vast majority of the citizens revolt. Maybe if the Government forced legislation that closed MacDees and made Americans slim down it could happen.

The Taliban are losing men left right and center, they have a driving will that few Americans can even comprehend.

The "Insurgents" would soon go home when they found they couldn't get enough food or power for their TVs.

Seriously some of you live in the fantasy world. Go think it through. Armies rarely go against the ruling powers, because the ruling powers are the ruling powers. And look after the army.

The winners are Revolutionaries, the losers are shot as terrorists or treason.

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The US Army has a lot of these.



And these.



And the populace has lots of these with guns.



Dream on guys.

The 2nd Amendment doesn't come into it if you lose. But it was nice to dream about it for a little while.

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Vendzilla

What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
Thomas Jefferson

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think about that

Vendzilla

You're the ignorant troll that thinks todays military would open fire on US citizens? Maybe Canadian, but not US.

But I see you believe like these people


"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
Sara Brady
Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.



"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
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Chancellor, Germany, 1933

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think about that

brassmonkey

different region bombs are more popular lol.

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