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bronco67 · 02-25-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunny Day

AMC must think it's a problem. When they install new digital equipment, they destroy the old projectors so the can't be used.

I went to a cople of advanced screenings. They wanted everyone to turn in their cellphones and had staff watching the audience for any cellphone usage

Digital is more copy-able than anything else. I think the general idea is getting rid rid of the antiquated, cumbersome film reels and moving to a non-degradable standard.

But it can be copied easier, if anything.

CDSmith · 02-25-2011, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

?Moviegoing remains the most affordable entertainment option ? costing under $50 dollars for a family of four.?

That's assuming they all share 1 popcorn, 1 drink, and 1 candy bar.

Paul Markham · 02-25-2011, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

that's true. Human nature will make most people take the free option, especially if there are no consequences.

This made me smile. There are less consequences watching a video on a tube site than paying for it.

Ever heard of a Tube site double charging a credit card? No you have to go to a paysite for that to happen.

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Originally Posted by potter

That's because the music industry is still trying to run itself on a method of business that is 40 years old. They've barely made any changes to keep up with the market and change in the way people want and listen to music.

Which applies to porn. Other than technical advances what have we done for the product?

When we saw free content was getting more and more traffic that converted less and less. What did we do? We loaded up more and more free content.

And continue not to change today.

Mutt · 02-25-2011, 11:08 AM

people who work so hard to disprove the obvious

comparing the theatrical movie business to the adult industry is ridiculous, apples and pomegranates

i grew up in the movie theater business, i remember 25 years ago them talking about movies being beamed by satellite into movie theaters. those film cans were heavy, i remember being sent to the bus station to go pick them up.

to try to prove piracy is anything but damaging to anybody who produces content is retarded - if you want to debate how much the damage is or ways to mitigate the damage that's ok.

bronco67 · 02-25-2011, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

people who work so hard to disprove the obvious

to try to prove piracy is anything but damaging to anybody who produces content is retarded - if you want to debate how much the damage is or ways to mitigate the damage that's ok.

I don't think the people who are advocates for everything being free have ever actually created anything in their lives. There's more of those types of people out there than the artists.

Agent 488 · 02-25-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

I don't think the people who are advocates for everything being free have ever actually created anything in their lives. There's more of those types of people out there than the artists.

not true. a very small handful of people have been able to leverage free culture movement / piracy into sales.

most who have tried have not been able to do so and why you don't see those types of arguments from content producers any more.

TheDoc · 02-25-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

All of that is true; however,

Going to the movies is "getting out of the house" and people are going to do that,
and the movies are at sometimes the only way to "get out of the house" for some
people and therefore even shitty first run movies will continue to sell.

But selling movies to people who have already seen it for free is more a problem.

So crappy movies will have slower sales, but sales nevertheless, but free movies have no
sales and are a killer to the biz.

That's true... some people can't think of anything to do, so they just do the same thing, over and over for years.

Movies found on the 'net for free, sell fine... everything in release right now, is on a torrent & streaming sites, and the movie continues to sell.

When I was a teen they had a $1 theater, it played old released movies, crappy ones and the rare old-old movie. Now, around where I live, the only thing the theaters have is new releases - nothing old, ever.

I don't know where people go to watch, b/c/d rated movies. Heck, I wouldn't even know what to look for or find them, I never see any advertisements for them. Honestly, how does anyone know what to look for, on a torrent, to find those movies? Unless you're like a super movie buff that likes crap movies...

Basically saying... I don't think crap movies failed because of piracy, I think they failed because... they suck all around - every movie is online, for free old and new. But then again, I'm not a movie buff, at any level - so my view point is sided to what I can see.

DamianJ · 02-25-2011, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

people who work so hard to disprove the obvious

comparing the theatrical movie business to the adult industry is ridiculous, apples and pomegranates

Well, both produce content that is both stolen and sold. Both claim file sharing is ruining them. One seems to be doing ok.

I thought it was worth discussing, that's all.

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Originally Posted by Mutt

to try to prove piracy is anything but damaging to anybody who produces content is retarded - if you want to debate how much the damage is or ways to mitigate the damage that's ok.

I don't think anyone is suggesting piracy is anything but damaging. (I don't think Gideon has posted yet). I agree, that would be retarded. I was just posting a link to some figures the MPAA put out about record box office takings.

tony286 · 02-25-2011, 11:49 AM

They have dollar theaters my mom goes at least 3 times a month.

Paul Markham · 02-25-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

I don't think the people who are advocates for everything being free have ever actually created anything in their lives. There's more of those types of people out there than the artists.

Those who advocate everything being free, would hate it if it happpened.

Where would Agent sell the scrpings of traffic he gets if everything was free. Where would the free loaders find sites to download their free stuff?

The truth is free loaders are parasites living off the backs of those who pay.

Even Manwin would hate everything being free. They would be worthless when that happpened. Question is if it continues how long before they are worthless? If dating, webcams go free and more people feel Pornhub is better than Brazzers the balance will tip.

Will the industry listen?

No it will continue to make free a better option than paying.

Not sure if it's even too late.

Mutt piracy is damaging our bottom line. But it was damage, like shoplifting, we could always afford. The damage Tubes do we can't. And they are legal. Until proved otherwise. And NO ONE has done that yet.

baddog · 02-25-2011, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

?The average cinema ticket price increased by 39 cents in 2010, consistent with the past few years, even as attendance to premium screening has increased (e.g. 3D),? says its new report on worldwide revenues. ?Moviegoing remains the most affordable entertainment option ? costing under $50 dollars for a family of four.?

Seriously?

Paul Markham · 02-25-2011, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

not true. a very small handful of people have been able to leverage free culture movement / piracy into sales.

most who have tried have not been able to do so and why you don't see those types of arguments from content producers any more.

If more learned your income would turn to shit.

Or do you believe the more that feed at the troth the more food there is for everyone?

I was in a market that clearly few could get into. If they had I would be broke.

Just using basic logic.

pornguy · 02-25-2011, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

You can read the same on wired http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/...rd-box-office/ with a nice pic

Or you can see it on Boingboing, arstechnica, etc

God damn those evil pirates, they are CRIPPLING the movie industry.

Let me just say that is amazing. The cost of a ticket to the movies in Mexico, as far as I know ranges from about 6$ to about max of 15 per person on the digital screen VIP ones.

So to see that much for international is amazing.

Paul Markham · 02-25-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Seriously?

http://www.natoonline.org/statisticstickets.htm

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may...ckets-20100505

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The average non-matinee movie ticket now costs about 10 US dollars (USD). Popcorn costs about six USD, and a drink, about four USD. Thus, the average expense at a theater is about 20 USD. For a family of four, that’s approximately 80 USD for two hours of entertainment.

From http://www.wisegeek.com/why-are-movi...-expensive.htm

UK http://www.cinemauk.org.uk/ukcinemas...kticketprices/

All on Google, took 5 minutes.

Paul Markham · 02-25-2011, 12:17 PM

Actually look at the stats.

Over the last 5 years the US market growth has crawled. Which can be accounted for in ticket prices. The increase is down to Internetional sales. Did the real marketing men realise that Non US was the place to grow?

If so where and how was that growth achieved?

You see Damian real marketing isn't as simple as you can grasp. But nice try.

Some stats on worldwide attendance.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/me...ema-attendance

http://screenville.blogspot.com/2009...a-stats-3.html

DWB · 02-25-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Does anyone here actually go to the movies more today than they did 10 years ago?

I go once or twice a week. But most of our theaters are much better than most in the USA for 1/4 the cost.

One in Bangkok has huge LazyBoy style recliners with staff who wait on you during the movie AND you get a 10 minute massage after the movie is over in the chill lounge with free drinks. Of course this theater is about the same price as an American theater, but the service is unmatched.

My usual theater is as nice as any in the USA (maybe a little nicer) and only costs $3. Popcorn, under a $1.

I really enjoy going to the theater, it's my little 2 hour get away where I know no one but Marty from Island Dollars can find me.

DWB · 02-25-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

In the meantime...Just read the latest issue of Rolling Stone.

The music industry just had the worst year EVER in it's history.

For a few years, tours and merchandise were taking up the slack. But over the last year that too dropped. Many tours were canceled.

Unless your name was Lady GaGa, Justin Bieber, or a couple of other artists...you were shit out of luck.

Guess that whole "give everything away for free" theory did just about what common sense would tell you it would. It created a very short burst, and then burned out fast.
And it only worked for established artists.

But at least the Beatles are making millions by finally going on ITunes.

I just saw The Eagles a few nights ago in Bangkok. Fucking amazing how great these guys are live. Sold out of course.

will76 · 02-25-2011, 01:16 PM

Oh I get it, Damian's argument is that it is ok for people to steal as long as the person getting stolen from still can make money.

Robbie · 02-25-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I just saw The Eagles a few nights ago in Bangkok. Fucking amazing how great these guys are live. Sold out of course.

Yeah they are. Joe Walsh is as good as any guitar player alive. And Don Henley is only rivaled by Levon Helm as far as singing drummers go.

Yeah, The Eagles can still sell out. When The Stones go back out they will too. U2 can do it too.

But the newer acts are falling down hard. Not that many of them have much talent to begin with since the entire "farm system" of working your way up through nightclubs has been extinct for over 20 years now. So these new bands and artists don't have any experience to speak of (I probably played more minutes on stage in 1 night of 6 45 minutes sets than Justin Bieber has in his whole life) and they suck in comparison to what bands used to be.

Now add in piracy...and there is no reason left for the music industry. First it killed itself with corporate "artists" (black rap acts that were really puppets on strings to white managers and generic bands like NickelBack), and the rap and hip hop led to the death of the big rock clubs where bands like us used to tour the country, which led to no new bands or artists with true talent, which led to no big bands with long careers and a chance to build a HUGE fan base (think Eagles, Stones, Aerosmith, ZZ Top, etc.)

So now everything is free...and people aren't emotionally invested in these new bands enough to buy their albums anyway. They aren't "Fans" of the bands anymore.

Perfect storm.

DamianJ · 02-25-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Oh I get it, Damian's argument is that it is ok for people to steal as long as the person getting stolen from still can make money.

Where did I say that?

I posted a link and a quote from another site.

Last week I linked to a Escher waterfall someone had built. Doesn't mean I made that video.

Hope that helps clear things up for you.

xx

DamianJ · 02-25-2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

http://www.natoonline.org/statisticstickets.htm

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may...ckets-20100505

From http://www.wisegeek.com/why-are-movi...-expensive.htm

UK http://www.cinemauk.org.uk/ukcinemas...kticketprices/

All on Google, took 5 minutes.

You took 5 minutes out of your life to fact check a quote from the original article on wired that I quoted thinking it was something I said and you wanted to prove me wrong?

Fuck me, I really get under your skin Gramps, don't I?

I'll forward your corrections to Wired's editor.

xxx

Paul Markham · 02-25-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

But the newer acts are falling down hard. Not that many of them have much talent to begin with since the entire "farm system" of working your way up through nightclubs has been extinct for over 20 years now. So these new bands and artists don't have any experience to speak of (I probably played more minutes on stage in 1 night of 6 45 minutes sets than Justin Bieber has in his whole life) and they suck in comparison to what bands used to be.

Very true. Back in the 60s and 70s we saw better acts in pubs than are headliners today. Googled the line up for Isle of Wight 1970

Look who appears on the weekdays. Gary Farr: Supertramp: Chicago, Groundhogs, Family, Procal Harem, then look at Saturday and Sunday. Any of these guys would blow todays acts away.

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	people who work so hard to disprove the obvious comparing the theatrical movie business to the adult industry is ridiculous, apples and pomegranates i grew up in the movie theater business, i remember 25 years ago them talking about movies being beamed by satellite into movie theaters. those film cans were heavy, i remember being sent to the bus station to go pick them up. to try to prove piracy is anything but damaging to anybody who produces content is retarded - if you want to debate how much the damage is or ways to mitigate the damage that's ok. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Actually look at the stats. Over the last 5 years the US market growth has crawled. Which can be accounted for in ticket prices. The increase is down to Internetional sales. Did the real marketing men realise that Non US was the place to grow? If so where and how was that growth achieved? You see Damian real marketing isn't as simple as you can grasp. But nice try. Some stats on worldwide attendance. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/me...ema-attendance http://screenville.blogspot.com/2009...a-stats-3.html __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70 Last edited by Paul Markham; 02-25-2011 at 12:22 PM..

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