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DWB · 03-11-2011, 11:31 PM

50 acquisitions.

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Awesome... as long as its above 50 million EUR per year, you might want to tell the owner (in case thats not you) to email me, since I would be interested to buy the site.

That's why, deep down, I love you Nathan. Cause you make power moves like that. And if you don't buy them, you'll figure out a way to cripple them.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-12-2011, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Yes they own webcams.com. Nathan himself has confirmed it on GFY. Coincidentally a lot of people have been complaining of bad sales after they bought them. Webcams.com used to be one of the most recommended for affiliate promotion. Now not so much.

If that is really the case, our sales have actually increased since they were sold. It is a non-event to our bottom line. It is possible that some others (cam sites) have been affected.

Since the adult industry, with a few notable exceptions, consists of closely held corporations, there is little public financial data available as these corporations are not publicly traded thus the "cloak and dagger" implications.

It is a free world, competition is a fact in business — get used to it and just deal with it.

Nathan · 03-12-2011, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

We would only consider an all CASH proposal. Send me your financials and banking references. See ICQ below. We are AC Webconnecting BV Rotterdam BTW ...

But then why would we sell a profitable business ??

Why would I send _YOU_ our financials?! I am asking if your owner wants to sell.. Talk to the owner, and have him eMail me if interested at [email protected]

And I have no problem with an all cash buyout. As long as its reasonable.

And for the answer to why you should sell a profitable business? Because your owner might be fed up with the biz, might want to do new and challenging things, and would therefor accept a nice cash exit.

Nathan · 03-12-2011, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Funny you should say that, I've had a white label on webcams.com for over year and it was pulling in a few sales a week with hardly any promotion. I just left it running as it was picking up some decent search engine traffic. Well April comes and all of a sudden sales just stopped. I left it alone as traffic still kept coming, yet it hasn't made one sale since last April. Can't tell how much traffic because their stats won't let you cover a broad date range, but its well over 20k uniques of SE traffic with no sale.

I would actually love to have someone look at that, since it makes very little sense to me. So if you could email me details to [email protected] then I can get someone to look into it for the both of us...

We have been cleaning up webcams slowly but surely over the last months, but it was most related to chatter traffic which was just running rampant on it.... normal affiliates should be as good as ever...

Nathan · 03-12-2011, 01:43 AM

Barry, I understand you will want to qualify us once the time comes, but before we sign an LOI, none of that will happen...

It might be "normal" to qualify a buyer, but it is definitely not "normal" to do so before you even talk...

So, think about it...

Barry-xlovecam · 03-12-2011, 02:18 AM

I guess you don't get the message;

1. there is no "owner" there is a board of directors.
2. we have no interest in selling at this time.
Only an overvalued offer from a party capable of performing would be considered — I say that sarcastically — odds are better of hitting the lotto ...

If you want a cam site you will probably need to spend the money to develop one — we have done so and so has every other notable cam site.

The cam business is not all about ROI on owned content — it is not about using some ghetto script — it is about constantly managing the production of live streaming content.
It's also about managing personnel; development teams, models and affiliates.

I suppose in context, we have over 9,000 active personnel.

So, the valuation process is very different than buying a static porn site. It's not in the same sentence really ...

** i reread the above ... So you do own webcams.com? Then you should have a grasp of the above statements. My advise (12 years in the cam industry) — develop webcams.com into a more viable competitor.

mamaliga · 03-12-2011, 02:31 AM

LOL
xlovecam with that crappy design and non-functionality script i doubt it will make an US sale in 2011

In 1997 was a succesfull business

Nathan · 03-12-2011, 02:32 AM

You have 9000 employees?? You got to be kidding me... Or you include cam girls in that?

we have 25000 of those...

You do realize that building our own site is going to be considerably cheaper than buying you, right? It sounds like you think we could not finance that...

I do wonder though, since you seem to be the only one that is posting here, how you so quickly know that the owners do not want to sell? I honestly do not care much if the board wants to sell or not...

Barry-xlovecam · 03-12-2011, 02:59 AM

Active employees.
I am not impressed at all.
Anyway, see how idiotic people behave when you tell them they can't have something.

SZNY · 03-12-2011, 03:03 AM

We developed a live cam platform in 6 months, went online in April 2010 and still busting our balls to make it profitable. The sites are low active where in peak times we have around 12-14 performers online.

In 11 months we managed to reached a PR3 ranking with a bounce rate of 27% and average holding time of 11 minutes which is for an adult site not that bad.

However besides developing software we shoot a lot of content from our own webcam models residing in our voyeur/webcam house.

Next month our paysite generator is ready so we can deploy numerous solo girl and niche based paysites from our webcam performers.

My experiences, starting your own webcam business is pretty money consuming and is like rocket science.

We have now 10 white labels online and +/- 50 blog/tube domains active. This all we did in a team of 4 people.

Jack Sparrow · 03-12-2011, 03:10 AM

If this is about webcams.com, welcome to the past and have a seat.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-12-2011, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SZNY

...My experiences, starting your own webcam business is pretty money consuming and is like rocket science. ...

And when you are in the black? Then what?

SZNY · 03-12-2011, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

And when you are in the black? Then what?

Besides this we do a lot of mainstream software development for clients to keep the revenue streams in a positive flow.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-12-2011, 03:26 AM

BTW, I consider camgirls who work everyday on our website "valued (contracted) employees." I am smart enough to realize that without them — I have nothing ...

Nathan · 03-12-2011, 05:21 AM

Ok, so it is As i said, you do not have 9000 employees, you have 10 employees and 9000 cam girls...

10 million in revenue a year is not bad though... But I doubt you have a decent margin. As I said, let the true owners know that once they hit 50m revenue, they should contact me..

lagcam · 03-12-2011, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Ok, so it is As i said, you do not have 9000 employees, you have 10 employees and 9000 cam girls...

10 million in revenue a year is not bad though... But I doubt you have a decent margin. As I said, let the true owners know that once they hit 50m revenue, they should contact me..

.....and I can pass that information on to the true owners of Manwin.

You pressed enter too soon so I finished it off for you.

Nathan · 03-12-2011, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by lagcam

.....and I can pass that information on to the true owners of Manwin.

You pressed enter too soon so I finished it off for you.

Do whatever you think is needed.. lol

Very curious who will be calling me asking me why the fuck you think they own Manwin

signupdamnit · 03-12-2011, 05:51 AM

As an affiliate I would be more apt to actively promote Xlovecams over webcams.com. For starters go back and read some of the messages from Barry here on GFY. He's constantly making comments showing that they have decent affiliate tracking in place and that they respect their affiliates. Not to mention I've seen a few comments from him speaking out against piracy in the industry. As I've stated my experience with webcams.com soured around the time of the buyout by Manwin. I've stated this long before I knew Manwin bought the company so obviously I did not make this up merely to speak poorly of them.

Personally I can see why Manwin might be eager to buy such a competitor. If good sponsors remain then they won't be able to cut out or "lowball" affiliates and others as easily.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-12-2011, 05:56 AM

If you say so Nathan ... Now go polish your rocket ...

*added almost 1300 views ;) that's showbiz ...

Pipecrew · 03-12-2011, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

BTW, I consider camgirls who work everyday on our website "valued (contracted) employees." I am smart enough to realize that without them ? I have nothing ...

I would hate to see your face the day you learn about cam splitting software.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-12-2011, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Pipecrew

I would hate to see your face the day you learn about cam splitting software.

That is ancient history ... something I have had to contend with for years ( so do most other major cam sites ).

DWB · 03-12-2011, 08:43 AM

Did this thread turn out how everyone thought it would?

nastymed · 03-12-2011, 08:58 AM

Barry-xlovecam · 03-12-2011, 09:10 AM

Truthfully, no surprise — leopards do not change their spots ...

lazycash · 03-12-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

I would actually love to have someone look at that, since it makes very little sense to me. So if you could email me details to [email protected] then I can get someone to look into it for the both of us...

We have been cleaning up webcams slowly but surely over the last months, but it was most related to chatter traffic which was just running rampant on it.... normal affiliates should be as good as ever...

You, or one of your wc reps are more than welcome to look into it, I have the same affiliate id there as my nick here. I can tell you though, back in April/May of last year there were several threads/posts regarding huge conversion drops at webcams.com by a multitude of webmasters. At the time nobody knew about the purchase/transition, but many stopped promoting webcams.com at that time.

MediaGuy · 03-12-2011, 12:24 PM

Looks like Webcams/Brazzers should look into some quality software:

The Complete Live Video Chat Solution oh hoh!

:D

Shags · 03-12-2011, 12:40 PM

Fuck Brazzers and the horse they stole

Davy · 03-12-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

I've had a white label on webcams.com for over year and it was pulling in a few sales a week with hardly any promotion. I just left it running as it was picking up some decent search engine traffic. Well April comes and all of a sudden sales just stopped. I left it alone as traffic still kept coming, yet it hasn't made one sale since last April. Can't tell how much traffic because their stats won't let you cover a broad date range, but its well over 20k uniques of SE traffic with no sale.

1) Links pulled. Thanks for the info.

2) I don't know if the site is legitimately connected to Manwin. And I don't care, really.

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Barry-xlovecam · 03-12-2011, 02:09 PM

They don't use their own DNS servers.

They claim legal legal jurisdiction in the Federal Courts of Southern Florida. I see nothing obvious like some address or reason to connect them with any other party. Interesting the tube sites they say they place talent on.

I am not particularly worried by this.
I have seen talent agencies like this come and go. Usually going broke and leaving the talent unpaid ... Bad for the industry's reputation as a whole IMHO.

Keezah · 03-14-2011, 06:12 AM

This is the most rediculous thread I've ever read...

alexxx · 03-14-2011, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Looks like Webcams/Brazzers should look into some quality software:

The Complete Live Video Chat Solution oh hoh!

:D

was that serious...

signupdamnit · 03-14-2011, 08:38 AM

djroof · 03-14-2011, 09:13 AM

links??????????????

Imortyl Pussycat · 03-14-2011, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

I would actually love to have someone look at that, since it makes very little sense to me. So if you could email me details to [email protected] then I can get someone to look into it for the both of us...

We have been cleaning up webcams slowly but surely over the last months, but it was most related to chatter traffic which was just running rampant on it.... normal affiliates should be as good as ever...

Hey Fabian, I referred over a cams industry veteran that I know would be a great fit for your group and could get webcams crankin. He sent his resume over to both Corey and Dave (Santana). See you fellas at the Forum in a couple weeks

daniel_webcams · 03-14-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

You, or one of your wc reps are more than welcome to look into it, I have the same affiliate id there as my nick here.

Already added you to my ICQ list, let me know once you are online in order to chat.

3xmedia · 03-14-2011, 10:25 AM

camhub.com?

lazycash · 03-14-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by zdeneczek

camhub.com?

No, that's just a streamate white label, they have a few.

03-12-2011, 01:43 AM	#55
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Barry, I understand you will want to qualify us once the time comes, but before we sign an LOI, none of that will happen... It might be "normal" to qualify a buyer, but it is definitely not "normal" to do so before you even talk... So, think about it... __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

03-12-2011, 02:18 AM	#56
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	I guess you don't get the message; 1. there is no "owner" there is a board of directors. 2. we have no interest in selling at this time. Only an overvalued offer from a party capable of performing would be considered — I say that sarcastically — odds are better of hitting the lotto ... If you want a cam site you will probably need to spend the money to develop one — we have done so and so has every other notable cam site. The cam business is not all about ROI on owned content — it is not about using some ghetto script — it is about constantly managing the production of live streaming content. It's also about managing personnel; development teams, models and affiliates. I suppose in context, we have over 9,000 active personnel. So, the valuation process is very different than buying a static porn site. It's not in the same sentence really ... ** i reread the above ... So you do own webcams.com? Then you should have a grasp of the above statements. My advise (12 years in the cam industry) — develop webcams.com into a more viable competitor. Last edited by Barry-xlovecam; 03-12-2011 at 02:30 AM..

03-12-2011, 02:32 AM	#58
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	You have 9000 employees?? You got to be kidding me... Or you include cam girls in that? we have 25000 of those... You do realize that building our own site is going to be considerably cheaper than buying you, right? It sounds like you think we could not finance that... I do wonder though, since you seem to be the only one that is posting here, how you so quickly know that the owners do not want to sell? I honestly do not care much if the board wants to sell or not... __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

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SZNY SZNY Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sexy Republic Posts: 2,800	We developed a live cam platform in 6 months, went online in April 2010 and still busting our balls to make it profitable. The sites are low active where in peak times we have around 12-14 performers online. In 11 months we managed to reached a PR3 ranking with a bounce rate of 27% and average holding time of 11 minutes which is for an adult site not that bad. However besides developing software we shoot a lot of content from our own webcam models residing in our voyeur/webcam house. Next month our paysite generator is ready so we can deploy numerous solo girl and niche based paysites from our webcam performers. My experiences, starting your own webcam business is pretty money consuming and is like rocket science. We have now 10 white labels online and +/- 50 blog/tube domains active. This all we did in a team of 4 people. __________________ Telegram: sandroanthonio

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Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Ok, so it is As i said, you do not have 9000 employees, you have 10 employees and 9000 cam girls... 10 million in revenue a year is not bad though... But I doubt you have a decent margin. As I said, let the true owners know that once they hit 50m revenue, they should contact me.. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

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03-12-2011, 02:59 AM	#59
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Active employees. I am not impressed at all. Anyway, see how idiotic people behave when you tell them they can't have something.

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