Quick introduction to Talia from Payoneer - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

epass007 · 03-22-2011, 04:24 AM

welcome here!

DWB · 03-22-2011, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PayoneerTeam

Our current bank is Choice Bank out of Belize.

Additionally Paxum uses this bank for their service.

Payoneer actually owns a portion of this bank.

Fucking Christ all mighty.

DWB · 03-22-2011, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

When I send IDs into Payoneer I worry that the owner will give my identification to Mossad to commit terrorist crimes.

How has Payoneer distanced itself from Israeli terrorism and what guarantees do I have that my money/identification won't be misused??

Is your CEO still Yuval Tal, a former Israeli special forces operative? Can you honestly say that the money we put with you guys and the IDs we have to send in won't be used by Yuval Tal's friends the way British, Australian and other IDs were used in the past by those same friends?

* face palm *

If there is even a 1% chance there is any connection to terrorism, you can go ahead and start the doomsday clock on this company and their bank.

RaiderCash_Dominik · 03-22-2011, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PayoneerTeam

The cross border fee isn't a Payoneer fee, but a MasterCard fee. The money here doesn't go to us, it's taken by MasterCard. Every bank has a cross-border fee for transactions that take place outside of their own country. You can Google it and see it's a MasterCard fee :-)

I don't remember those fees on epass cards? Same bank BTW.

And why can't we withdraw money via ACH or WIRE ?

Talia_Payoneer · 03-23-2011, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RaiderCash_Dominik

I don't remember those fees on epass cards? Same bank BTW.

And why can't we withdraw money via ACH or WIRE ?

Actually, Payoneer is about to come out with a few announcements very soon, and ACH will be one of them. I will let everyone know once we have it up and running.

Theo · 03-23-2011, 01:03 AM

welcome Talia, nice to see you here

MaDalton · 03-23-2011, 04:14 AM

i guess my question got ignored

Klen · 03-23-2011, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i guess my question got ignored

Actually i think your question was also an answer same time

CaptainHowdy · 03-23-2011, 05:22 AM

Do I get a Mossad badge if I sign up??

Sid70 · 03-23-2011, 05:46 AM

https://load.payoneer.com/

NEVER WORKED FOR ME.

This was a reason I signed up fro Payoneer card.
But it never works, every load gets rejected tho it says:

BULLSHIT!

lexsteel · 03-23-2011, 06:13 AM

I have payoneer card, and i am very satisfied. Keep on going that way and welcome to gfy!

moeloubani · 03-23-2011, 09:36 AM

Can you answer my question or is your not answering it an admission that you guys are still financing terrorism?

http://warincontext.org/2010/02/25/t...er-connection/

You know what I'm talking about.

So again I'll ask in the hopes that your company doesn't ignore a serious question like this.

Is your CEO still a former Israeli special forces operative and will the money and identification that we send to Payoneer be used to commit terrorist attacks around the world.

Remember these guys??

Those are some of the terrorists I'm talking about. They used stolen passports from Ireland, Britain, Australia and other countries.

They are wanted internationally...what kind of credit card did they use to finance their terror attack? Payoneer.

I ask you again: is my money and/or my identification in danger of getting in the hands of terrorists when I use Payoneer.

Is your CEO still Yuval Tal and has he denounced his connections to Israeli terrorism?

Very simple question PayoneerTeam, you running away from it is disturbing. Answer the question.

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

* face palm *

If there is even a 1% chance there is any connection to terrorism, you can go ahead and start the doomsday clock on this company and their bank.

Unless it's Israeli terrorism in which case it is supported by the US (even if just secretly).

But terrorism is terrorism, illegal and unjustified murders are all the same, and Payoneer seems to have let a group of international terrorist assassins use their credit cards during one of their operations.

I don't know how those guys got their stolen IDs but I would NOT send ANY ID to Payoneer because you never know, I would not do ANY business with these guys until they clear up their situation and/or their CEO denounces terrorism whether it be Hamas or Israel committing the terrorism.

pimpsalot · 03-23-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CamTraffic

How many banks back you up
where are they located?

Read above. You aren't tracking.

pimpsalot · 03-23-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Can you answer my question or is your not answering it an admission that you guys are still financing terrorism?

http://warincontext.org/2010/02/25/t...er-connection/

You know what I'm talking about.

So again I'll ask in the hopes that your company doesn't ignore a serious question like this.

Is your CEO still a former Israeli special forces operative and will the money and identification that we send to Payoneer be used to commit terrorist attacks around the world.

Remember these guys??

Those are some of the terrorists I'm talking about. They used stolen passports from Ireland, Britain, Australia and other countries.

They are wanted internationally...what kind of credit card did they use to finance their terror attack? Payoneer.

I ask you again: is my money and/or my identification in danger of getting in the hands of terrorists when I use Payoneer.

Is your CEO still Yuval Tal and has he denounced his connections to Israeli terrorism?

Very simple question PayoneerTeam, you running away from it is disturbing. Answer the question.

Unless it's Israeli terrorism in which case it is supported by the US (even if just secretly).

But terrorism is terrorism, illegal and unjustified murders are all the same, and Payoneer seems to have let a group of international terrorist assassins use their credit cards during one of their operations.

I don't know how those guys got their stolen IDs but I would NOT send ANY ID to Payoneer because you never know, I would not do ANY business with these guys until they clear up their situation and/or their CEO denounces terrorism whether it be Hamas or Israel committing the terrorism.

Wow. Couple things to note here.

Payoneer has never accused by any court either international or in-country of any crime.

You are obviously trying to besmirch their good name by trying to connect them to what happened in Dubai.

The only facts you have are that there is news that some of these people used Payoneer cards to pay for some of their services they used.

You don't have any facts that any of these people did anything. You are repeating data provided to you by Dubai officials.

Furthermore, Payoneer no longer does business with META bank and no Yuval Tal is no longer their CEO. He stepped down quite some time ago and Scott Galit has been the CEO since the middle of 2010.

Now, about this guy Mahmoud Al Mabhouh...

From Wikipedia:

Al-Mabhouh was born in Jabalia Camp, Gaza, on February 14, 1960.[14] As a young man, he pursued weightlifting. He quit secondary school, trained as a car mechanic and later became a garage owner.[15] Al-Mabhouh had 13 siblings, and was a married father of four.[15]
In the 1970s, he joined the Muslim Brotherhood, and in the 1980s, he was reported to have been involved in sabotaging coffee shops where gambling was taking place. In 1986, the Israeli security forces arrested him for possession of an assault rifle. It has been reported that after his release, he became involved with Hamas.
According to a Hamas statement, Al-Mabhouh was involved in the 1989 abduction and killing of two Israeli soldiers, Avi Sasportas and Ilan Sa'adon, whose murders he celebrated by standing on one of the corpses.[5][16] In a video taped two weeks before his death, and broadcast on Al-Jazeera in early February, 2010, Mabhouh admitted his involvement, saying he had disguised himself as an Orthodox Jew.[17][18] In May 1989, a failed attempt was made to arrest him for his involvement in the murder of the two Israeli soldiers and he subsequently left the Gaza Strip; his home in Gaza was demolished by Israel in 1989 as retribution for the attack.[19]
According to a report in The Palestine Chronicle, al-Mabhouh had survived two assassination attempts; the first was a car bombing; the second took place in Beirut in 2009 and involved the use of poison which rendered him unconscious for 30 hours.[20]
Al-Mabhouh was believed by Israel to have been involved in smuggling weapons and explosives into Gaza.[1] He spent most of 2003 in an Egyptian jail.[21] He had been arrested and released several times by Israel. At the time of his death, Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was wanted by the Israeli, Egyptian and Jordanian governments,[21] and living in Syria.[22]
In recent years, Mabhouh is alleged to have played a key role in forging secret connections between the Hamas government in Gaza and the Al-Quds Force of the Revolutionary Guards in Iran.[7

No offense...and without taking any sides in your obvious war with Israel, I have to ask...WHO wouldn't want this guy dead? He was a terrorist who brought rockets in Gaza that were used to kill women and children and innocent civilians. Are you saying you support his actions?

Not that any of this matters because it doesn't. You are trying to take a 60 year old beef between the Israel and the Muslim Brotherhood, Syria, Jordan, Sudan, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and the Arab Liberation Army, and throw it all in our faces and frankly we don't care.

This is a business board for people in the business of making money. This isn't a geo-political watering hole for whiners.

Payoneer is a good company. They provide pre-paid MasterCards that can be used around the world and loaded from anywhere. That's what they do. Any other bullshit is just warm waste.

BlackCrayon · 03-23-2011, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pimpsalot

Not sure what data you are working from but that's exactly what they did. When ePassporte passed, Payoneer saw about an 800% uptake in their services in this market and they were getting something like 500-1000 applications a day for cards.

They signed just about every major customer of ePassporte's. That includes:

LiveJazmin.com
MyFreeCams.com
IMLive.com
StreamMates.com
VODmoney.com

and PayServe and HusterCash and soo many others. Maybe you just aren't that aware of their customer base.....

regardless, a quick look at the board and you'll see how active paxum reps have been for months and the majority of people talking about paxum and almost no one talking about payoneer.

pimpsalot · 03-23-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

regardless, a quick look at the board and you'll see how active paxum reps have been for months and the majority of people talking about paxum and almost no one talking about payoneer.

As iff that matters. The "talk" on boards is just that...talk. It's not driving any company's success and at the end of the day it's meaningless.

There has been quite a bit of talk about both companies. It could be that Payoneer prefers to talk less and do more. They have signed every major program in the industry. They are handling their business. They don't use the boards for support. Nobody does really anymore.

The days of Webmasters using boards as bitch sessions so they can get what they want went poof a long time ago. If you want something, contact someone. Don't go whine about it in public.

facialfreak · 03-23-2011, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PayoneerTeam

I just got back from a 4-month trip (Thailand, Australia, New Caledonia, China, and Japan)

WOW! Payoneer must pay very well ... Are you guys hiring?

I want to go on 4 month trips too.

I want to live the Chris Mallick lifestyle!

Talia_Payoneer · 03-24-2011, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by facialfreak

WOW! Payoneer must pay very well ... Are you guys hiring?

I want to go on 4 month trips too.

I want to live the Chris Mallick lifestyle!

Ha! Actually, I'm new at Payoneer - I started after I got back from my trip, but I've known the company for years since a former company I worked at was one of Payoneer's first clients.

@avnTheo - Thanks :-)

@MaDalton - I'm sorry, I had missed your question, it was intentional. I need to get more info (sorry, I AM still new) and I will get back to you about that. Again, I apologize.

@CamTraffic Like we mentioned earlier, we work with Choice bank, which is based in Belize.

MaDalton · 03-24-2011, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PayoneerTeam

@MaDalton - I'm sorry, I had missed your question, it was intentional. I need to get more info (sorry, I AM still new) and I will get back to you about that. Again, I apologize.

that's what i call a freudian slip

Chosen · 03-24-2011, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PayoneerTeam

The cross border fee isn't a Payoneer fee, but a MasterCard fee. The money here doesn't go to us, it's taken by MasterCard. Every bank has a cross-border fee for transactions that take place outside of their own country. You can Google it and see it's a MasterCard fee :-)

You're joking, right? If not, I'm laughing anyway

CaptainHowdy · 03-24-2011, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by lexsteel

I have payoneer card, and i am very satisfied. Keep on going that way and welcome to gfy!

Fake nick alert

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DamianJ · 03-24-2011, 07:38 AM

Why don't companies employ reps that know about the companies they rep anymore?

Why allow someone 'new' to screw up your PR on the biggest board in porn?

I just don't get it really...

"Hi, I don't know anything and I am new, please let me answer your questions".

VforVendetta · 03-24-2011, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PayoneerTeam

The cross border fee isn't a Payoneer fee, but a MasterCard fee. The money here doesn't go to us, it's taken by MasterCard. Every bank has a cross-border fee for transactions that take place outside of their own country. You can Google it and see it's a MasterCard fee :-)

Yes, but it's a p2p transaction!!! You can't charge twice for moving money from Payoneer accounts....

pimpsalot · 03-24-2011, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chosen

You're joking, right? If not, I'm laughing anyway

Um maybe you don't understand how credit cards work? Go use your own Mastercard in another country and see what happens. It's the standard. Stop making it out to be a Payoneer issue when it's a Credit Card issue.

pimpsalot · 03-24-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Why don't companies employ reps that know about the companies they rep anymore?

Why allow someone 'new' to screw up your PR on the biggest board in porn?

I just don't get it really...

"Hi, I don't know anything and I am new, please let me answer your questions".

Hey why don't you stop putting of such bad vibes. Not everyone in our industry wants words like that representing us.

Talia has done a great job of being responsive and she's quite familiar with Payoneer. If you have questions about Payoneer, ASK YOUR REP.

Talia_Payoneer · 03-25-2011, 08:36 AM

HI guys,

@Damien Sorry for taking a couple days to get back. I'm sorry for not having all the answers, but I am doing my best to get them and answer you.

Of course I meant unintentional :-)

@CaptainHowdy I don't have a fake nick, and I will tell you exactly why: People always find out. Also, if I WERE to build a fake nick, I would be a lot smarter than posting something when I was very new, not to mention I would probably write more.

@Chosen - I'm not kidding at all. If some companies waive it or have it mixed in to another fee, that's their choice, of course, but this is by MasterCard. Like I said, I can give you infinite links about it, but if you Google it, you will see how many posts about it there are.

That said, I am honestly turning all of your comments over, and they are all being considered as we move forward.

DamianJ · 03-25-2011, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PayoneerTeam

HI guys,

@Damien Sorry for taking a couple days to get back. I'm sorry for not having all the answers, but I am doing my best to get them and answer you.

I wasn't having a go at you for not knowing things, I just wondered why you were placed in a position where what you need to do is answer questions when you are unable to do this?

Seems strange.

Maybe I am old fashioned, but I like the person I buy from to know about what they are trying to sell me. A basic requirement really.

Naughty-Pages · 03-25-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PayoneerTeam

Just so you know, ..... but also live chat and direct phone call options....

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I gave up, figured I would try here...

I held off on signing up for a payoneer account because you did not have P2P transactions and so I went with Paxum. I recently signed up because you now have this P2P service, and I did so through an affiliate program.

My issue now is that I cannot accept payments from people until the issuing affiliate makes their first payment... but in the meantime I have 2 people who need to pay me via payoneer (one for $1,700+ and the other for $750)... and they cannot...

My questions are:
#1- Why must the affiliate we signed up through make their first payment before we can accept P2P transactions?

#2- Is there a way we can work around this instead of waiting for that affiliate program to make it's first payout? I just had to pay renewals for over 200 domain names and I need to pay another guy over $1,600 to do some work across all 1000 of our sites (so this $ that I currently cannot receive would come in kinda handy right about now).

I just think this is silly... and really does not make a good first impression for me as far as what my first choice of accepting payments will be in the future...

RaiderCash_Dominik · 03-25-2011, 10:30 AM

Does Paxum have same cross border fees, because as much as payoneer reps want to use the catchy phrase "among the lowest" their stuff is way too expensive.

Sid70 · 03-25-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i guess my question got ignored

Would you ignore this bike ahead fo you?

RuthB · 03-25-2011, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RaiderCash_Dominik

Does Paxum have same cross border fees, because as much as payoneer reps want to use the catchy phrase "among the lowest" their stuff is way too expensive.

hey Dominik.. I left you a message on ICQ, please contact me directly regarding anything Paxum related. Thanks!

lexsteel · 03-25-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Fake nick alert

...

What is your problem man? If you dont want to use Payoneer you dont have to, what are you looking on this thread?

bigluv · 03-25-2011, 01:21 PM

Everyone knows that payoneer is an absolute cluster fuck of grasping fees from you compared to paxum right?

I have to pay , I forget now because I switched off using payoneer as soon as I found out what they were about. Anyways, they charge what, $2 to allow me to receive cash? $5 to not delay my incoming payment DAYS? WTF? Then a percentage of the load? or was it of the withdrawal? And that's just the start, showing their philosophy of nickel and diming you to death. Its been long enough since I did the comparison and was *shocked* that I dont remember all the exact details anymore. However suffice to say,

"Dropping the ball" wasn't not having representation here, dropping the ball was not examining the pricing landscape and trying to snap up the business.

I'm still amazed though, at the number of people who don't realize this.

If you want to be credible Talia, tell us how Payoneer is going to make their charges more similar to Paxum.

Or, what are they doing for all those annoying, money grubbing fees?

pimpsalot · 03-25-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

When I send IDs into Payoneer I worry that the owner will give my identification to Mossad to commit terrorist crimes.

How has Payoneer distanced itself from Israeli terrorism and what guarantees do I have that my money/identification won't be misused??

Is your CEO still Yuval Tal, a former Israeli special forces operative? Can you honestly say that the money we put with you guys and the IDs we have to send in won't be used by Yuval Tal's friends the way British, Australian and other IDs were used in the past by those same friends?

How do we know that by doing business with you, you aren't using the money you make to fund terrorism?

Read below. He's not the CEO anymore and hasn't been since October of last year.

There has been ABSOLUTELY no connection made between those IDs and Payoneer. You are just fishing here trying to smear Payoneer and Yuval's good names and we can all see right through it.

How do we know you don't support terrorism yourself?

Talia_Payoneer · 03-28-2011, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Naughty-Pages

I held off on signing up for a payoneer account because you did not have P2P transactions and so I went with Paxum. I recently signed up because you now have this P2P service, and I did so through an affiliate program.

My issue now is that I cannot accept payments from people until the issuing affiliate makes their first payment... but in the meantime I have 2 people who need to pay me via payoneer (one for $1,700+ and the other for $750)... and they cannot...

My questions are:
#1- Why must the affiliate we signed up through make their first payment before we can accept P2P transactions?

#2- Is there a way we can work around this instead of waiting for that affiliate program to make it's first payout? I just had to pay renewals for over 200 domain names and I need to pay another guy over $1,600 to do some work across all 1000 of our sites (so this $ that I currently cannot receive would come in kinda handy right about now).

Hi Naughty pages,

First of all, I"m sorry it too you so long to get through to our live chat. I have already mentioned this to our customer support.

As for the p2p payments, you shouldn't have a problem receiving funds. I'd like to pass you on to one of our account managers. Please PM me your email address so we can see what we can do to solve this. This is a valid point - thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Sid70 · 03-28-2011, 09:05 AM

Let me quote myself and get it answered straight, why do you mislead your customers?

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Originally Posted by Sid70

https://load.payoneer.com/

NEVER WORKED FOR ME.

This was a reason I signed up fro Payoneer card.
But it never works, every load gets rejected tho it says:

BULLSHIT!

Talia_Payoneer · 03-28-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bigluv

I have to pay , I forget now because I switched off using payoneer as soon as I found out what they were about. Anyways, they charge what, $2 to allow me to receive cash? $5 to not delay my incoming payment DAYS? WTF? Then a percentage of the load? or was it of the withdrawal? And that's just the start, showing their philosophy of nickel and diming you to death. Its been long enough since I did the comparison and was *shocked* that I dont remember all the exact details anymore. ?

Hi bigluv,

I think it's important to see the whole picture here. You are only comparing certain fees that we have that others don't. But looking at the big picture, we have no annual fee, and definitely not $45. We don't charge anyone upfront for payments they haven't made. Our monthly fees are only charged when you actually have money in your account - no money = no payment, and if you reach a certain amount of activity, even that fee is reduced to $1.

We have a pay-as-you-go fee structure. We issue and send you a card at our own risk - you pay nothing for this service. We don't believe in people paying for a service they don't receive.

Neither you nor any partner pays a percentage of the load. When there is a p2p transfer, there is a processing fee that is a percentage, however. As for withdrawals, there isn't a percentage fee here either. There is a foreign exchange rate, of course, but this is everywhere you would convert currency, and our fees are lower than average, and there is the ATM fee. Withdrawing from an ATM is always more expensive when it isn't in your own currency - and even if it is, there is always an ATM fee. Using the money at a point of sale is definitely the best way to use your card.

Talia_Payoneer · 03-28-2011, 09:11 AM

Sid - generally speaking, anyone can load a card. I can't tell you the specific reason your loads were rejected - you should have received information from our support staff if a load didn't go through. If you haven't contacted them, you definitely should.

pimpsalot · 03-28-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bigluv

Everyone knows that payoneer is an absolute cluster fuck of grasping fees from you compared to paxum right?

I have to pay , I forget now because I switched off using payoneer as soon as I found out what they were about. Anyways, they charge what, $2 to allow me to receive cash? $5 to not delay my incoming payment DAYS? WTF? Then a percentage of the load? or was it of the withdrawal? And that's just the start, showing their philosophy of nickel and diming you to death. Its been long enough since I did the comparison and was *shocked* that I dont remember all the exact details anymore. However suffice to say,

"Dropping the ball" wasn't not having representation here, dropping the ball was not examining the pricing landscape and trying to snap up the business.

I'm still amazed though, at the number of people who don't realize this.

If you want to be credible Talia, tell us how Payoneer is going to make their charges more similar to Paxum.

Or, what are they doing for all those annoying, money grubbing fees?

Hey BigLuv,

You can read right? DID YOU READ YOUR CONTRACT WITH Payoneer?

Only a fucking assclown would complain about shit that was right there in black and white.

If you can't read a contract or understand the words in the contract, DON't SIGN IT!!

Naughty-Pages · 03-28-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PayoneerTeam

Hi Naughty pages,

First of all, I"m sorry it too you so long to get through to our live chat. I have already mentioned this to our customer support.

As for the p2p payments, you shouldn't have a problem receiving funds. I'd like to pass you on to one of our account managers. Please PM me your email address so we can see what we can do to solve this. This is a valid point - thanks for bringing it to our attention.

there are no PM's here... I will email you my Payoneer email account...

RaiderCash_Dominik · 03-28-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PayoneerTeam

Withdrawing from an ATM is always more expensive when it isn't in your own currency - and even if it is, there is always an ATM fee. Using the money at a point of sale is definitely the best way to use your card.

So all balances are in USD but when I use ATM in the US I get charged cross border fee?
Paxum doesn't have any cross border fees? Don't they use the same bank as you do?
So you don't have annual fee, but you have monthly fees, activation fee, immediate load fee (what ever that is). This is not cheaper at all if you use this card few times a month. Sure if you balance is zero you're the best card to have, but if you use it on daily basis its a highway robbery.

BlackCrayon · 03-28-2011, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pimpsalot

Hey BigLuv,

You can read right? DID YOU READ YOUR CONTRACT WITH Payoneer?

Only a fucking assclown would complain about shit that was right there in black and white.

If you can't read a contract or understand the words in the contract, DON't SIGN IT!!

get real man, you know as well as anyone that no one reads those things.

ThumbLord · 03-28-2011, 03:58 PM

interesting reading, used them, but ............ not interested anymore.

Adraco · 03-28-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

get real man, you know as well as anyone that no one reads those things.

I KNOW that's how it works, but if one doesn't read and still signs or click AGREE, then you can't really come afterwards complaining. Only illiterate morons would do that.

On a totally different note:
One thing I, as a keen Payoneer user, absolutely HATE, is the total un-disclosure of the fees. There seems to be different fees depending on what sponsor is paying me. With some each load is $1, for some it's $2 and for others it's $3 and then a few more bucks for instant load. Why?

Show me a calculation, with say 5, 10, 15, 20, 30, 40 and 50 transactions per month, then we can start talking about who's the cheapest and who's not.

Sid70 · 03-28-2011, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PayoneerTeam

Sid - generally speaking, anyone can load a card. I can't tell you the specific reason your loads were rejected - you should have received information from our support staff if a load didn't go through. If you haven't contacted them, you definitely should.

I have contacted Payoneer staff, and Pearl Levy in particular but the reason was NEVER given, it just says that Payoneer security decides on their own if its allowed or not.

So, generally speaking load.payoneer.com does NOT work as advertised.

Take action.

pristine · 03-28-2011, 06:55 PM

please refer back to my previous post as my concern went unanswered

Talia_Payoneer · 03-30-2011, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Adraco

One thing I, as a keen Payoneer user, absolutely HATE, is the total un-disclosure of the fees. There seems to be different fees depending on what sponsor is paying me. With some each load is $1, for some it's $2 and for others it's $3 and then a few more bucks for instant load. Why?

Show me a calculation, with say 5, 10, 15, 20, 30, 40 and 50 transactions per month, then we can start talking about who's the cheapest and who's not.

Hi Adraco,

The fees are NOT hidden, but we try to accommodate our partners, and if they decide to eat the cost then the loads are different. But we usually charge a flat rate of $5 instant load or $2 for a 2 day load. If it?s cheaper than that, then it's a bonus for you that the sponsor took the cost upon themselves.

About the calculation per transaction, it's very hard to do, simply because each partner is different, but I can say that I would advise you to use your Payoneer card in a way that would minimize your costs. Instead of withdrawing $100 at a time, withdraw the $2500 limit (or whatever smaller amount you'd like). That way you aren't charged the ATM fee multiple times for, ultimately, withdrawing the same amount of money. For what it's worth, in most countries you pay a fee for each withdrawal from an ATM in your regular bank account, so in general it is best to make one $300 withdrawal rather than 6 $50 withdrawals.

The way you use your account is very important in choosing what type of payment system you want to use. If you know you make a bunch of small transactions (withdrawals or payments), then maybe a $45 annual fee (plus a few other small fees) is the best for you. However, if you can use your card in a way that you minimize your transactions, the $2 monthly fee (ONLY when you have money in your account), plus a couple more transaction fees will end up costing you a LOT less than a flat annual fee.

Also,it's worth mentioning that if you perform a certain amount of withdrawals (any type of spending transactions) per month, we reduce the cost of each transaction to $1 - this is automatic.

Talia_Payoneer · 03-30-2011, 06:26 AM

Pristine - what was your banker's answer when you asked him the same question? ;-)

spazlabz · 03-30-2011, 06:51 AM

I have to say that Talia is definitely getting a mini-trial-by-fire experience here

@talia: you're handling it well. Welcome to GFY

MaDalton · 03-30-2011, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

why does it cost money to transfer money from the wallet to the card and why does it take a couple of days for that transfer while everyone else does it within a minute?

that it can be quicker shows your "express fee" - which is a rip off since the same happens, just faster

i think 11 days should be sufficient if you wanted to answer this question.

so i assume the answer is "because it makes us money" - because you speculate most people don't want to wait a couple of days

03-23-2011, 01:03 AM	#56
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	welcome Talia, nice to see you here Last edited by Theo; 03-23-2011 at 01:28 AM..

03-23-2011, 04:14 AM	#57
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03-23-2011, 05:22 AM	#59
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03-23-2011, 05:46 AM	#60
Sid70 Downshifter Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Road trip Posts: 16,413	https://load.payoneer.com/ NEVER WORKED FOR ME. This was a reason I signed up fro Payoneer card. But it never works, every load gets rejected tho it says: BULLSHIT! __________________ Русня, идите нахуй!

03-25-2011, 08:36 AM	#76
Talia_Payoneer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 337	HI guys, @Damien Sorry for taking a couple days to get back. I'm sorry for not having all the answers, but I am doing my best to get them and answer you. Of course I meant unintentional :-) @CaptainHowdy I don't have a fake nick, and I will tell you exactly why: People always find out. Also, if I WERE to build a fake nick, I would be a lot smarter than posting something when I was very new, not to mention I would probably write more. @Chosen - I'm not kidding at all. If some companies waive it or have it mixed in to another fee, that's their choice, of course, but this is by MasterCard. Like I said, I can give you infinite links about it, but if you Google it, you will see how many posts about it there are. That said, I am honestly turning all of your comments over, and they are all being considered as we move forward. __________________ Talia Klein Director of Community at Payoneer Email [email protected] Email me about becoming a Payoneer sponsor

03-22-2011, 04:24 AM	#51
epass007 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 77	welcome here!

03-23-2011, 06:13 AM	#61
lexsteel Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,373	I have payoneer card, and i am very satisfied. Keep on going that way and welcome to gfy!

03-24-2011, 07:38 AM	#72
DamianJ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land Posts: 15,808	Why don't companies employ reps that know about the companies they rep anymore? Why allow someone 'new' to screw up your PR on the biggest board in porn? I just don't get it really... "Hi, I don't know anything and I am new, please let me answer your questions".

03-25-2011, 10:30 AM	#79
RaiderCash_Dominik Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,145	Does Paxum have same cross border fees, because as much as payoneer reps want to use the catchy phrase "among the lowest" their stuff is way too expensive.

03-25-2011, 01:21 PM	#83
bigluv Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 850	Everyone knows that payoneer is an absolute cluster fuck of grasping fees from you compared to paxum right? I have to pay , I forget now because I switched off using payoneer as soon as I found out what they were about. Anyways, they charge what, $2 to allow me to receive cash? $5 to not delay my incoming payment DAYS? WTF? Then a percentage of the load? or was it of the withdrawal? And that's just the start, showing their philosophy of nickel and diming you to death. Its been long enough since I did the comparison and was shocked that I dont remember all the exact details anymore. However suffice to say, "Dropping the ball" wasn't not having representation here, dropping the ball was not examining the pricing landscape and trying to snap up the business. I'm still amazed though, at the number of people who don't realize this. If you want to be credible Talia, tell us how Payoneer is going to make their charges more similar to Paxum. Or, what are they doing for all those annoying, money grubbing fees?

03-28-2011, 09:11 AM	#88
Talia_Payoneer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 337	Sid - generally speaking, anyone can load a card. I can't tell you the specific reason your loads were rejected - you should have received information from our support staff if a load didn't go through. If you haven't contacted them, you definitely should. __________________ Talia Klein Director of Community at Payoneer Email [email protected] Email me about becoming a Payoneer sponsor

03-28-2011, 03:58 PM	#93
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03-28-2011, 06:55 PM	#96
pristine So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,176	please refer back to my previous post as my concern went unanswered

03-30-2011, 06:26 AM	#98
Talia_Payoneer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 337	Pristine - what was your banker's answer when you asked him the same question? ;-) __________________ Talia Klein Director of Community at Payoneer Email [email protected] Email me about becoming a Payoneer sponsor

03-30-2011, 06:51 AM	#99
spazlabz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 6,548	I have to say that Talia is definitely getting a mini-trial-by-fire experience here @talia: you're handling it well. Welcome to GFY