Court rules against Arizona immigration law

[Amputate Your Head]

Court rules against Arizona immigration law
Justice Department filed suit to block law it says violates U.S. Constitution

SAN FRANCISCO ? A federal appeals court is refusing to lift a stay blocking major parts of a tough Arizona law targeting illegal immigrants from taking effect.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Monday turned down an appeal filed by Gov. Jan Brewer. The governor asked them to lift an injunction imposed by a federal judge in Phoenix the day before the law was to take effect on July 29, 2010. The U.S Justice Department sued to block the law. It argued it violates the constitution because enforcing immigration law is a federal issue.

The case in the 9th Circuit is United States of America v. State of Arizona, 10-16645.

LINK

You all had to know that shit would never hold up.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

[B][SIZE="6"]You all had to know that shit would never hold up.

Yea had could it...... what court would agree with actually enforcing US immigration laws? Actually enforcing existing law would obviously be unconstitutional and racist...... etc. etc.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Yea had could it...... what court would agree with actually enforcing US immigration laws? Actually enforcing existing law would obviously be unconstitutional and racist...... etc. etc.

Hate to say I told ya so, but I told ya so.

[fatfoo]

These laws sound complicated. They are probably not against the laws of physics.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Yea had could it...... what court would agree with actually enforcing US immigration laws? Actually enforcing existing law would obviously be unconstitutional and racist...... etc. etc.

[Rochard]

Why is this so difficult? Every time the police comes to my house they check my ID to confirm I am who I say I am. They do this any time I come into contact with them. If for any reason they believe a crime is being committed, they investigate further - Once they handcuffed my ass and searched my car with dogs looking for drugs, which was comical to me being as I'm so anti drug it's not funny.

They need to do this with everyone, period. Police should ID anyone they come into contact with. If they can't provide ID, there's a problem. Tourist? No problem - Let me see your passport and let me check it with customs to see when you entered the country.

Then again we need to have California stop handing out a driver's license to anyone with a pulse.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Why is this so difficult? Every time the police comes to my house they check my ID to confirm I am who I say I am. They do this any time I come into contact with them. If for any reason they believe a crime is being committed, they investigate further - Once they handcuffed my ass and searched my car with dogs looking for drugs, which was comical to me being as I'm so anti drug it's not funny.

They need to do this with everyone, period. Police should ID anyone they come into contact with. If they can't provide ID, there's a problem. Tourist? No problem - Let me see your passport and let me check it with customs to see when you entered the country.

Then again we need to have California stop handing out a driver's license to anyone with a pulse.

Fuck the police.

[_Richard_]

you have to show id if the police knock on your door and ask?

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

you have to show id if the police knock on your door and ask?

I'm sure lots of people would love that to be true. Fortunately, it's not.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

I'm sure lots of people would love that to be true. Fortunately, it's not.

ok.. if anyone does do this, please rethink your entire life

[Vendzilla]

This doesn't surpirse me after those kids in Sacramento got kicked out of school for wearing an american flag on cinco de mayo

https://youtube.com/watch?v=IwX2yyuo4Tw

Fuck the illegal aliens, Fuck the politicians Fuck the federal judges

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

This doesn't surpirse me after those kids in Sacramento got kicked out of school for wearing an american flag on cinco de mayo

They were probably troublemakers, drug users, or packin' heat.

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Fuck the police.

There is generally no reason to produce ID for a cop, even if asked. If you are driving, you have to. If you are just at your house or walking down the street or a passenger in a car, you do not. Doing so opens you up to more trouble.

Why you should never talk to cops:

[brassmonkey]

we can still call in and have them arrested fuck the feds

[pornguy]

not sure about all states but this is pretty simple. In Florida if a cop asks for your ID and you refuse he will arrest you for " Failure to obey a Lawful command " Now your dumb ass goes to jail and they will make sure to fuck with you as much as they can.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by pornguy

not sure about all states but this is pretty simple. In Florida if a cop asks for your ID and you refuse he will arrest you for " Failure to obey a Lawful command " Now your dumb ass goes to jail and they will make sure to fuck with you as much as they can.

Florida is the only place I've ever heard of such nonsense happening. Good thing I don't live in Florida. I would not be complying with such Gestapo bullshit like that.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Florida is the only place I've ever heard of such nonsense happening. Good thing I don't live in Florida. I would not be complying with such Gestapo bullshit like that.

Most likely its the same in most states. Cali usually has almost 100% the same laws as FL.

I see that law right up there with the " Knew or Should have known" law.

But at the same time I also understand why they are on the books.

[brassmonkey]

justice is bent to the needs. there is no true justice.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

justice is bent to the needs. there is no true justice.

I would have gone one step further on that.

" Justice is bent to the needs and Desires of those who can bend it. "

[suesheboy]

Since I carry a gun, I am required by law to always have my conceal carry permit on me whenever I leave my house. When I drive my car I am required to have my license on me as well.

Truth be told 2 times in the past year I left my wallet at home when I drove away from my house. It happens.

If my friend came over to pick me up for a beer and a BBQ at his or her house, I may not have my license on me. Should I have to present ID willy nilly? NO WAY.

[Meloman]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Why is this so difficult? Every time the police comes to my house they check my ID to confirm I am who I say I am. They do this any time I come into contact with them. If for any reason they believe a crime is being committed, they investigate further - Once they handcuffed my ass and searched my car with dogs looking for drugs, which was comical to me being as I'm so anti drug it's not funny.

They need to do this with everyone, period. Police should ID anyone they come into contact with. If they can't provide ID, there's a problem. Tourist? No problem - Let me see your passport and let me check it with customs to see when you entered the country.

Then again we need to have California stop handing out a driver's license to anyone with a pulse.

The catch 22 is do you think it's really fair that while on vacation you might get stopped dozens of times to show id while doing nothing wrong? At what point does it go from protecting the law to harassment? Same goes for a natural born citizen of Mexican decent. Is it really fair that in the course of 1 day you might get stopped 10 times just to constantly prove your legal? I'm sure at some point it would get very annoying.

I'm not saying I'm for or against this law. I'm just saying I can find issues on both sides.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

They were probably troublemakers, drug users, or packin' heat.

No, they just had the Gall to wave an American flag on American soil on a MEXICAN holiday

Fuck those people

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

No, they just had the Gall to wave an American flag on American soil on a MEXICAN holiday

Fuck those people

Anyone that walks around waving a flag is someone I keep my eye on anyway. They're usually one kind of nut or another.

[suesheboy]

National ID card tied into biometrics that can be scanned by any cop without you having to have a card woudl be awesome to eliminate identity theft, illegals, find fugitives etc.

[suesheboy]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Anyone that walks around waving a flag is someone I keep my eye on anyway. They're usually one kind of nut or another.

well said

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by suesheboy

National ID card tied into biometrics that can be scanned by any cop without you having to have a card woudl be awesome to eliminate identity theft, illegals, find fugitives etc.

Two words....

Fuck that.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Anyone that walks around waving a flag is someone I keep my eye on anyway. They're usually one kind of nut or another.

Originally Posted by suesheboy

well said

It's just the fact they were sent home for waving an american flag on their t shirt because latinos complained

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

It's just the fact they were sent home for waving an american flag on their t shirt because latinos complained

were people complaining or was it more of a 'we're afraid people will complain' type scenario?

that story is really sad to me.. one of the best parts about celebrations in vancouver, seeing people with flags from all over the world just makes the party that much better

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by suesheboy

National ID card tied into biometrics that can be scanned by any cop without you having to have a card woudl be awesome to eliminate identity theft, illegals, find fugitives etc.

those are used in dogs. no thanx

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

you have to show id if the police knock on your door and ask?

Generally speaking yes. Usually they get called over here because someone set off the home alarm. Once they came blazing in - in force - because someone called in a domestic disturbance... I guess they thought I was smacking down my wife or something which was funny because we were dead asleep.

I've got nothing to hide from anyone and the local cops are more than welcome in my house.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Generally speaking yes. Usually they get called over here because someone set off the home alarm. Once they came blazing in - in force - because someone called in a domestic disturbance... I guess they thought I was smacking down my wife or something which was funny because we were dead asleep.

I've got nothing to hide from anyone and the local cops are more than welcome in my house.

I have nothing to hide either, but that doesn't mean I'm rolling out the red carpet for the cops.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Meloman

The catch 22 is do you think it's really fair that while on vacation you might get stopped dozens of times to show id while doing nothing wrong? At what point does it go from protecting the law to harassment? Same goes for a natural born citizen of Mexican decent. Is it really fair that in the course of 1 day you might get stopped 10 times just to constantly prove your legal? I'm sure at some point it would get very annoying.

I'm not saying I'm for or against this law. I'm just saying I can find issues on both sides.

They aren't going to be pulling people over because they are Hispanic. In California and Arizona, and other states, that's a huge percentage of the population. They physically can't do that. It's like trying to pull over everyone for speeding.

But if your in an area where day laborers hang out looking for work, yeah, they should be able to roll up and ask for ID. It's no different than pulling over a car that's circled the block in an area well known for hookers.

When I was a kid I swore up and down that cops targeted "us kids" and pulled us over constantly. Now that I'm an adult I see why - They weren't pulling me over because I was a kid, they were pulling me over because I was driving like a fucking idiot and I just too stupid to see it. It's not much different with this law. They aren't going to be pulling people over because they are Hispanic, but instead because there are a number of things that look suspicious.

[MK Ultra]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Court rules against Arizona immigration law
Justice Department filed suit to block law it says violates U.S. Constitution

SAN FRANCISCO ? A federal appeals court is refusing to lift a stay blocking major parts of a tough Arizona law targeting illegal immigrants from taking effect.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Monday turned down an appeal filed by Gov. Jan Brewer. The governor asked them to lift an injunction imposed by a federal judge in Phoenix the day before the law was to take effect on July 29, 2010. The U.S Justice Department sued to block the law. It argued it violates the constitution because enforcing immigration law is a federal issue.

The case in the 9th Circuit is United States of America v. State of Arizona, 10-16645.

LINK

You all had to know that shit would never hold up.

I guess I must not understand English as well as I had thought.
As I read the article the judge only denied the state's appeal to have the injunction against parts of the law lifted, not an actual ruling on the constitutionality of the law itself.
It still has to work it's way through the legal system and could still be upheld.

That headline is just a touch misleading

I guess Fox News isn't the only one to slant the stories

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Rochard

It's not much different with this law. They aren't going to be pulling people over because they are Hispanic, but instead because there are a number of things that look suspicious.

Well not any more... 9th Circuit laid the smack down.

[Poindexterity]

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

There is generally no reason to produce ID for a cop, even if asked. If you are driving, you have to. If you are just at your house or walking down the street or a passenger in a car, you do not. Doing so opens you up to more trouble.

Why you should never talk to cops:

i love this video

[Poindexterity]

Originally Posted by Rochard

But if your in an area where day laborers hang out looking for work, yeah, they should be able to roll up and ask for ID. It's no different than pulling over a car that's circled the block in an area well known for hookers.

funny how they target the wrong people for both crimes.

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

There is generally no reason to produce ID for a cop, even if asked. If you are driving, you have to. If you are just at your house or walking down the street or a passenger in a car, you do not. Doing so opens you up to more trouble.

Why you should never talk to cops:

You are not entirely correct in the matter of ID. In most states a police officer may utter or issue what is known as a "lawful order" and may well order you to produce identification. If you fail to follow the lawful order, the dirtbag cop can and most likley will arrest you, charging you with failure to obey a lawful order and then you get to fight it out in court.

You are right on this one though, if you are questioned or arrested, keep your fucking mouth shut beyond demanding an attorney.

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Yea had could it...... what court would agree with actually enforcing US immigration laws? Actually enforcing existing law would obviously be unconstitutional and racist...... etc. etc.

This action will spell the end of the Reign of Terror of The Obamanation.

[NetHorse]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Why is this so difficult? Every time the police comes to my house they check my ID to confirm I am who I say I am. They do this any time I come into contact with them. If for any reason they believe a crime is being committed, they investigate further - Once they handcuffed my ass and searched my car with dogs looking for drugs, which was comical to me being as I'm so anti drug it's not funny.

They need to do this with everyone, period. Police should ID anyone they come into contact with. If they can't provide ID, there's a problem. Tourist? No problem - Let me see your passport and let me check it with customs to see when you entered the country.

Then again we need to have California stop handing out a driver's license to anyone with a pulse.

A bunch of liberal hippie faggots are against it.

Apparently the constitutional rights of illegal criminals who don't pay taxes, traffic drugs, murder innocent people, crash cars without driver's licenses or car insurance and refuse to learn English is a travesty.

Pullover Pablo, he can't speak English, he doesn't have a driver's license, doesn't have insurance, doesn't have registration; yup, asking his immigration status would just be so fucking unspeakable.

Fucking liberal idiots.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Court rules against Arizona immigration law
Justice Department filed suit to block law it says violates U.S. Constitution

SAN FRANCISCO ? A federal appeals court is refusing to lift a stay blocking major parts of a tough Arizona law targeting illegal immigrants from taking effect.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Monday turned down an appeal filed by Gov. Jan Brewer. The governor asked them to lift an injunction imposed by a federal judge in Phoenix the day before the law was to take effect on July 29, 2010. The U.S Justice Department sued to block the law. It argued it violates the constitution because enforcing immigration law is a federal issue.

The case in the 9th Circuit is United States of America v. State of Arizona, 10-16645.

LINK

You all had to know that shit would never hold up.

Until the US Supreme Court here the case it's not over for either side.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by NetHorse

A bunch of liberal hippie faggots are against it.

Apparently the constitutional rights of illegal criminals who don't pay taxes, traffic drugs, murder innocent people, crash cars without driver's licenses or car insurance and refuse to learn English is a travesty.

Pullover Pablo, he can't speak English, he doesn't have a driver's license, doesn't have insurance, doesn't have registration; yup, asking his immigration status would just be so fucking unspeakable.

Fucking liberal idiots.

why are you in porn ?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by suesheboy

National ID card tied into biometrics that can be scanned by any cop without you having to have a card woudl be awesome to eliminate identity theft, illegals, find fugitives etc.

those that are willing to give up freedom for security will receive and deserve neither.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Rochard

They aren't going to be pulling people over because they are Hispanic. In California and Arizona, and other states, that's a huge percentage of the population. They physically can't do that. It's like trying to pull over everyone for speeding.

But if your in an area where day laborers hang out looking for work, yeah, they should be able to roll up and ask for ID. It's no different than pulling over a car that's circled the block in an area well known for hookers.

Let's ignore the fact that prostitution should be LEGAL.

[Socks]

Originally Posted by Rochard

But if your in an area where day laborers hang out looking for work, yeah, they should be able to roll up and ask for ID. It's no different than pulling over a car that's circled the block in an area well known for hookers.

If they truly care about stopping the problem, they should setup a sting for the people doing the illegal hiring. Surely they can do that right now.. Are they? Or are they just more interested in blaming foreigners and getting more police rights.

How easy would it be to plant a latino police officer among the laborers and then arrest anyone who hires them?

[NetHorse]

Originally Posted by Socks

If they truly care about stopping the problem, they should setup a sting for the people doing the illegal hiring. Surely they can do that right now.. Are they? Or are they just more interested in blaming foreigners and getting more police rights.

How easy would it be to plant a latino police officer among the laborers and then arrest anyone who hires them?

Nothing is easy when it involves millions of people crossing over illegally every year.

Raids happen every so often but it requires an incredible amount of resources. This law is quite simple, and totally reasonable. Period.

Countless illegals are committing crimes in Arizona and apparently their constitutional rights are important to a bunch of dumbass liberals who don't even live there.

GatorB, you're a joke and don't deserve any response other than stating the obvious, you're a joke.

[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

you have to show id if the police knock on your door and ask?

few weeks ago there was a fight outside a bar I was leaving. I was merely trying to break things up to get out of the way, because it would of become a big brawl.

a cop coming over pulled the guys apart then demanded to see my ID... I told him without a reason I wasnt handing it over... then I believe I tried to spit something out about PA laws and if they have a problem they can call my attorney... which also happens to be my cat, but they dont know that

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by NetHorse

A bunch of liberal hippie faggots are against it.

Apparently the constitutional rights of illegal criminals who don't pay taxes, traffic drugs, murder innocent people, crash cars without driver's licenses or car insurance and refuse to learn English is a travesty.

Pullover Pablo, he can't speak English, he doesn't have a driver's license, doesn't have insurance, doesn't have registration; yup, asking his immigration status would just be so fucking unspeakable.

Fucking liberal idiots.

so what you're saying is all spanish descendants aren't american citizens?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Socks

If they truly care about stopping the problem, they should setup a sting for the people doing the illegal hiring. Surely they can do that right now.. Are they? Or are they just more interested in blaming foreigners and getting more police rights.

How easy would it be to plant a latino police officer among the laborers and then arrest anyone who hires them?

They do this already in Arizona. I remember right before I moved back to California they had a huge sting against a local company that did contracting for the Air Force base there or something and there was a huge stink about it.

[brassmonkey]

whole schools are closing on the west side phoenix 35th ave area. because the schools were made for illegals. there's one on central and roeser not sure if its closed yet.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by NetHorse

A bunch of liberal hippie faggots are against it.

Apparently the constitutional rights of illegal criminals who don't pay taxes, traffic drugs, murder innocent people, crash cars without driver's licenses or car insurance and refuse to learn English is a travesty.

Pullover Pablo, he can't speak English, he doesn't have a driver's license, doesn't have insurance, doesn't have registration; yup, asking his immigration status would just be so fucking unspeakable.

Fucking liberal idiots.

Whiner.