So, the USA is going full blast in a war against Lybia ...

[directfiesta]

.. enforcing a no-fly zone ...

My ass ....

News

Drones can be used by Nato forces in Libya, says Obama


The White House has approved the use of missile-armed Predator drones to help Nato target Colonel Gaddafi's forces in Libya.

Coalition commanders have been privately urging the Americans to provide the specialist unmanned aircraft, which have become a favoured ? if controversial ? weapon in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Their ability to hone in on targets using powerful night-vision cameras is considered to be one way of helping rebels in the besieged city of Misrata, where a humanitarian crisis has unfolded in the last week.

The US defence secretary, Robert Gates, said Barack Obama had approved the use of the Predators which are armed with Hellfire missiles, marking a marked growth in the US contribution to the Nato effort.

Gates told a Pentagon news conference that the Predator was an example of the unique US military capabilities that the president is willing to contribute while other countries enforce a no-fly zone.

General James Cartwright said that the first Predator mission in Libya had been scheduled for Thursday night but was abandoned because of poor weather. The US military plans to maintain two patrols of armed Predators above Libya at any given time, permitting better surveillance ? and targeting ? of Gaddafi's forces as they dig into positions next to civilian areas, Cartwright told the same briefing.

The drones are based in the region but typically flown via remote control by pilots in the US. The drones for Libya had not been withdrawn from Afghanistan, Gates and Cartwright said.

Khaled Kayim, Libya's deputy foreign minister, said the deployment of the drones would result in the deaths of more civilians. He described the move as "undemocratic and illegitimate and I hope they will reverse their decision".

I need clarification on a' no-fly zone ' ... isn`t it supposed to prevent Gaddafi's airplanes of flying ... ????

oh well, change is a word .... and only a word

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...target-misrata

[theking]

Pigshit...the U.S has not gone "full blast" since the Second World War.

[halfpint]

I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals

When the British shoot, the Germans duck, when the Germans shoot, the British duck, when the Americans shoot, everybody ducks.....

War is fear cloaked in courage......

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by theking

Pigshit...the U.S has not gone "full blast" since the Second World War.

vietnam?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

vietnam?

Vietnam was so politically controlled the Air Force wasn't allowed to take out missile sites shooting at their own planes.

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[brassmonkey]

no comment

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by theking

Pigshit...the U.S has not gone "full blast" since the Second World War.

Desert Storm was pretty much "full blast".... I was there.

[MetaMan]

I love how NATO is "informing civilians not to go near military bases".

How are they informing them on western news stations? utterly hilarious.

Anyone who couldnt see these set up coming from years ago is blind. Got to get "evil dictators" in the news for at least a few years now.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by theking

Pigshit...the U.S has not gone "full blast" since the Second World War.

Shock and Awe I.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Desert Storm was pretty much "full blast".... I was there.

I was among the first 2500 U.S. troops sent over so I was there for the duration of Desert Shield and was there for Desert Storm...until I was injured.

The U.S. has not gone all out since the end of the Second World war. Every military action since then has been just that...a military action.

[theking]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Vietnam was so politically controlled the Air Force wasn't allowed to take out missile sites shooting at their own planes.

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You are correct...by no means was Vietnam an all out effort.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by theking

I was among the first 2500 U.S. troops sent over so I was there for the duration of Desert Shield and was there for Desert Storm...until I was injured.

The U.S. has not gone all out since the end of the Second World war. Every military action since then has been just that...a military action.

If you quantify that by way of the use of a nuke, then yes, I would agree.... otherwise I do not.

[SDA CASH - Banned for Life AGAIN]

USA are officially WAR CRIMINALS!!

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by SDA CASH

USA are officially WAR CRIMINALS!!

You know what? Fuck you!

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[Coup]

Originally Posted by SDA CASH

USA are officially WAR CRIMINALS!!

Please shut up.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

If you quantify that by way of the use of a nuke, then yes, I would agree.... otherwise I do not.

There are multiple quantifiers but I will use this as a major quantifier. With approximately one third of our current population...at the end of the Second World War we had 16 million Americans in uniform...multiple millions in Theater against the Germans and multiple millions in Theater against the Japanese. In Vietnam we had approximately 500,000 in theater...and approximately the same during the '91 "Gulf War".

[SDA CASH - Banned for Life AGAIN]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

You know what? Fuck you!

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So you think its ok to go kill people that did nothing to us recently?

We took care of what they did to us back in the day

Obama attacked them without our own Congress approving it!

So Fuck YOU!

I am all about Destroying an enemy when they provoke US first!

[Coup]

Originally Posted by SDA CASH

So you think its ok to go kill people that did nothing to us recently?

We took care of what they did to us back the day

Obama attacked them without our own Congress approving it!

So Fuck YOU!

I am all about Destroying an enemy when they provoke US first!

Had you made this post while standing in the middle of Kabul I wouldn't be so tempted to call you a chicken-hawk pussy.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by theking

There are multiple quantifiers but I will use this as a major quantifier. With approximately one third of our current population...at the end of the Second World War we had 16 million Americans in uniform...multiple millions in Theater against the Germans and multiple millions in Theater against the Japanese. In Vietnam we had approximately 500,000 in theater...and approximately the same during the '91 "Gulf War".

Technological advances = less foot soldiers needed in theatre. Doesn't make the effort against them any less "full blast". We aren't living in 1942 anymore Pathfinder. We will never have "millions" on the ground ever again.

[~Ray]

full blast = nucular solution

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by ~Ray

full blast = nucular solution

'Nucular' Solution = Twisting the knob off.

[SDA CASH - Banned for Life AGAIN]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

'Nucular' Solution = Twisting the knob off.

ha ha ha I used to say that! "Lock in low and twist the knob off"

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by SDA CASH

So you think its ok to go kill people that did nothing to us recently?

We took care of what they did to us back in the day

Obama attacked them without our own Congress approving it!

So Fuck YOU!

I am all about Destroying an enemy when they provoke US first!

never mind ......

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[SDA CASH - Banned for Life AGAIN]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I tried to view you with an open mind, dispute the comments of others. I was wrong. You ARE a wormy little douche-bag with mental problems.

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links pulled huh?

Again I am all for war when someone attacks us first. We are not here to police the world.
For some reason the US feels they must do so.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

never mind ......

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no, you had it right before the edit.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Technological advances = less foot soldiers needed in theatre. Doesn't make the effort against them any less "full blast". We aren't living in 1942 anymore Pathfinder. We will never have "millions" on the ground ever again.

As I stated...there are multiple quantifiers...but I try not to respond to trolls...and by calling me Pathfinder that simply makes you another ignorant troll. Pathfinder died...approaching nine years ago...end of story. From here on out my only response to you is see sig.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by theking

As I stated...there are multiple quantifiers...but I try not to respond to trolls...and by calling me Pathfinder that simply makes you another ignorant troll. Pathfinder died...approaching nine years ago...end of story. From here on out my only response to you is see sig.

Suits me.

[DangerX !!!]

I've read recently that there might be even more oil in Libya than in Saudi Arabia.

BTW. Wasn't NATO supposed to be only for the purpose of defending it's member in a case of aggression from outside?
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[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

.. enforcing a no-fly zone ...

My ass ....



I need clarification on a' no-fly zone ' ... isn`t it supposed to prevent Gaddafi's airplanes of flying ... ????

oh well, change is a word .... and only a word

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...target-misrata

You really did not expect The Obama Thing to tell you the truth right off, did you?

[Vendot]

Originally Posted by SDA CASH

USA are officially WAR CRIMINALS!!

And the UK, FRANCE, etc.....

Again theyve gone into this under false pretences. I just dont understand why more people arnt disgusted about it especially after the way Iraq was handled. Most GFY people dont seem to feel it was justified intervention:

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...ighlight=libya

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

.. enforcing a no-fly zone ...

My ass ....



I need clarification on a' no-fly zone ' ... isn`t it supposed to prevent Gaddafi's airplanes of flying ... ????

oh well, change is a word .... and only a word

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...target-misrata

I also thought the roll was to protect civilians??
Since the rebels 5% of the population, can not make any ground, time for us to destroy more Gov forces, to help this small rebel force.

If the rebels do someday take over, I bet the first thing they say is
Now what do we do.....................

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

You really did not expect The Obama Thing to tell you the truth right off, did you?

it doesnt matter who is in office, you demented fuck. Big corporations are the real leaders, a monkey like Bush or mr 'change' Obama both started oil wars. Whoever you vote for, the big picture of getting power in other countries, wage war and try to take their oil will not change, if you cant see that you are blind. And they totally ignore their own people and neglect their own country while doing it.... they dont give a fuck about you so get your head out of some lame parties' ass and stop acting like a sheep.

[Cherry7]

Even with Obama the number of wars continues to rise....

The French and Brits are pushing this, but I suppose after supporting the uS wars the US is going along...

The Wests dream of "friendly" Libyian gov eg "Come and take our oil "

[iggysick]

And that's a full blast? lol

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by nico-t

it doesnt matter who is in office, you demented fuck. Big corporations are the real leaders, a monkey like Bush or mr 'change' Obama both started oil wars. Whoever you vote for, the big picture of getting power in other countries, wage war and try to take their oil will not change, if you cant see that you are blind. And they totally ignore their own people and neglect their own country while doing it.... they dont give a fuck about you so get your head out of some lame parties' ass and stop acting like a sheep.

Yeah and since you laim to be located in The Netherlands, you are certainly familiar with Royal Dutch Shell, otherwise known as Shell; the largest single oil company on the planet. Sure looks to me as though the USA and other countries involved in these oil wars are doing the bidding of Shell..............................

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell

"Royal Dutch Shell plc (LSE: RDSA, LSE: RDSB), commonly known as Shell, is a global oil and gas company headquartered in The Hague, Netherlands and with its registered office at the Shell Centre in London, United Kingdom.[2] It is the largest energy company and the second-largest company in the world measured by revenues and is one of the six oil and gas "supermajors".[3] It is vertically integrated and is active in every area of the oil and gas industry, including exploration and production, refining, distribution and marketing, petrochemicals, power generation and trading. It also has major renewable energy activities, including in biofuels, hydrogen, solar and wind power.

It has operations in over 90 countries, produces around 3.1 million barrels of oil equivalent per day and has 44,000 service stations worldwide.[4] Shell Oil Company, its subsidiary in the United States, is one of its largest businesses.[5]

Its primary listing is on the London Stock Exchange and it is a constituent of the FTSE 100 Index. It has secondary listings on Euronext Amsterdam and the New York Stock Exchange."

And there is of course the proof of cooperation between Royal Dutch Shell and the Nazis during WW II; this while thousands were being transported to concnetration camps for extermination:

http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2009/0...he-nazi-party/

"While Royal Dutch Shell support for the Nazi all those years ago has no link to current Shell management, there is a link to current activities, with Shell supporting *yet another evil dictator. Oil and gas is the reason why Shell (and BP) has signed contracts with the Libyan mass murderer, Gaddafi.

So basically, nothing has changed; Shell is still willing to deal with the devil to fuel its unquenchable thirst for oil, irrespective of moral considerations and the potential deadly consequences of handing over billions of dollars to a regime which may well end up funding future terrorist atrocities, as it has in the past. In addition to the bombing of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Gaddafi was also responsible for arming the IRA, another terrorist organisation."

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

Yeah and since you laim to be located in The Netherlands, you are certainly familiar with Royal Dutch Shell, otherwise known as Shell; the largest single oil company on the planet. Sure looks to me as though the USA and other countries involved in these oil wars are doing the bidding of Shell..............................

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell

"Royal Dutch Shell plc (LSE: RDSA, LSE: RDSB), commonly known as Shell, is a global oil and gas company headquartered in The Hague, Netherlands and with its registered office at the Shell Centre in London, United Kingdom.[2] It is the largest energy company and the second-largest company in the world measured by revenues and is one of the six oil and gas "supermajors".[3] It is vertically integrated and is active in every area of the oil and gas industry, including exploration and production, refining, distribution and marketing, petrochemicals, power generation and trading. It also has major renewable energy activities, including in biofuels, hydrogen, solar and wind power.

It has operations in over 90 countries, produces around 3.1 million barrels of oil equivalent per day and has 44,000 service stations worldwide.[4] Shell Oil Company, its subsidiary in the United States, is one of its largest businesses.[5]

Its primary listing is on the London Stock Exchange and it is a constituent of the FTSE 100 Index. It has secondary listings on Euronext Amsterdam and the New York Stock Exchange."

And there is of course the proof of cooperation between Royal Dutch Shell and the Nazis during WW II; this while thousands were being transported to concnetration camps for extermination:

http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2009/0...he-nazi-party/

"While Royal Dutch Shell support for the Nazi all those years ago has no link to current Shell management, there is a link to current activities, with Shell supporting *yet another evil dictator. Oil and gas is the reason why Shell (and BP) has signed contracts with the Libyan mass murderer, Gaddafi.

So basically, nothing has changed; Shell is still willing to deal with the devil to fuel its unquenchable thirst for oil, irrespective of moral considerations and the potential deadly consequences of handing over billions of dollars to a regime which may well end up funding future terrorist atrocities, as it has in the past. In addition to the bombing of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Gaddafi was also responsible for arming the IRA, another terrorist organisation."

Yeah, i know. What's your point? I am not a retarded 'patriot', I know my government, and your government, and any government, is corrupt to the bone. So im not taking meaningless politic 'sides' like a good sheep. You do, and you make it clear every time you talk politics... you completely missed the point of my first post obviously.

[DWB]

He should get another Nobel Peace Prize.

[Sly]

I don't understand how anyone with any comprehension skills could pin all of this on the US alone.

[IllTestYourGirls]

The us is controlled by corporations and bankers. I have an idea to fix it. Give the government more power. Give the government control over your whole life via single payer health care. That should do the trick!

[czarina]

let's face it, it's a war on the whole Middle East so we can control the oil. Period.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by baddog

Shock and Awe I.

You think that was full force of the US Millitary???

that was a fucking joke.

[DateDoc]

I thought Obama said we were not the World's police force!?!

[Vendot]

Originally Posted by czarina

let's face it, it's a war on the whole Middle East so we can control the oil. Period.

If thats the case, then how long until the fight back and WWIII ?

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Vietnam was so politically controlled the Air Force wasn't allowed to take out missile sites shooting at their own planes.

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strange that, the US govenment sanctioned the bombing of countries boardering Vietnam though.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

strange that, the US govenment sanctioned the bombing of countries boardering Vietnam though.

when did the u.s. do that and what does *sanction* mean in this context?

[Vendzilla]

I don't get it, was the promise to pull troops from Iraq for peace or to supply troops for other wars? ( Police Actions )

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Sly

I don't understand how anyone with any comprehension skills could pin all of this on the US alone.

Where is the' pinning on the US alone `????

I stated that the USA, that said they would not get involved... , are now escalating the intervention.
I also point out the ridicule of the resolution of `no-fly zone ` ( never saw tanks fly ... ).

Now, by saying the USA, it does not mean `alone `...

If I say I am sleeping, it does not mean that I am sleeping alone.. it just means that I am sleeping.

The USA are escalating ... that is non arguable ...


We now have the confirmation that there is no difference between Bush and Obama ...

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

....enforcing a no-fly zone....

Enforcing a no fly zone isn't the only goal in Libya. The primary goal is to protect the citizens of Libya from it's own government, which originally had started bombing it's own citizens. In order to do this we have established a no fly zone. The no fly zone includes taking out all and any air defenses, and under the guise of "protecting the citizens" we are now outright trying to stop Libyan forces from making any advance against the "rebels", which are in fact the citizens of Libya.

My big problem here is why are are in Libya at all. If forty thousand people in northern California suddenly rose up, took up arms, and removed local law enforcement in an attempt to create a new goverment... Wouldn't they be criminals, not "rebels"? The fine line of defining what a rebel is depends on what side your on.

We either need to go all in or nothing. This "limited military campaign" never works. Just say that we need to remove Qaddafi because he's killing his citizens, move in, and that's that already.

[dyna mo]

i was watching modern marvel B2 bomber episode and one of the military historians on there said something i liked a lot.

he said "we spend all this money on these cool weapons, so we are going to use them."

[nico-t]