advices on how to start getting traffic to a new pay site operation

[dyna mo]

so brainstorming as many ways to get started with traffic in 2011

tubes: establish marketing partnership with top 3-5.

seo/type-in

my tgp/mgp with niche focus and priority marketing for my pay site

buy traffic from similar sites

buy traffic from broker(s)

youtube r rated bts

trade member traffic with similar sites

clip store(s)



affiliate traffic can come later, maybe 6-12 months after.


are these the top ways? what other ways are there?
thoughts on which is best initially?
if you were to go with the top 3-5, what would they be and how would you allocate $$ amongst those? equally split? more dollars on tube traffic? member area traffic?

[cherrylula]

I think it would mostly depend on budget. Then go from there.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

I think it would mostly depend on budget. Then go from there.

i see what you are saying.

working backwards, let's say the goal for the 1st 30 days would be 100 $20 sales. i'd spend 50% of that anticipated total to get those sales, so $1000 the 1st month and go from there.

[cherrylula]

Sooo many factors in the game nowdays. good luck...

[2MuchMark]

http://www.ero-advertising.com

[AnimeFevers]

If you were going to buy banner ads, check out my sig, juicyads sell good traffic from differn't niches.

[Phoenix]

lets see your paysite
20 dollars isnt a big payout...however if it converts nicely..then it will receive sales

[2intense]

Originally Posted by AnimeFevers

If you were going to buy banner ads, check out my sig, juicyads sell good traffic from differn't niches.

correct

[C H R I S]

Hit me up - I can have you at a million clicks a day from the get go.

or less ;-)

[vano]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

I think it would mostly depend on budget. Then go from there.

Originally Posted by cherrylula

Sooo many factors in the game nowdays. good luck...

could your replies be any more useless? why do you even come here, to pass time time?

go watch your crotchfruit. or clean the house. or something.

[kbauerctu]

Plenty of traffic available on the largest tube sites through Etology!

[JUDY ADAMO]

Hi there, we at ero-advertising.com are offering Geo-Targeted Traffic - Niche-Targeted Traffic. We believes that showing relevant advertising offers more value to users than displaying random pop-ups or untargeted banner ads.

Hit me up for more information, I'll be more than happy to help you get your advertising campaigns of the ground.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by vano

could your replies be any more useless? why do you even come here, to pass time time?

go watch your crotchfruit. or clean the house. or something.

Pretty much, yeah. Thank you for biting on my post. Loser.

[dyna mo]

i have several of you on my short list of traffic brokers and will be making purchases, was hoping for more on how to prioritize these traffic sources, whether there are any i left out that are worth pursuing on the front end, etc.

:-)

[Agent 488]

most of the big brograms are doing heavy seo work on their paysites (rk/brazzers) so at the very least you should get that going as a long term thing. wont cost much though.

[Peace]

Interesting topic but no people post anything. I would be interested to know details too

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

most of the big brograms are doing heavy seo work on their paysites (rk/brazzers) so at the very least you should get that going as a long term thing. wont cost much though.

appreciated! i wouldn't of considered this since tubes are always portrayed as dominating the search engines.

[Ross]

SEO should be your main concern while building the paysites out. Traffic Brokers you'll spend a boat load more than $1000 in your first month, just simply to find out what spots work and what don't, this is where you will probably lose the most amount of money.

It takes a long long time to get good quality sales going to sites. I started doing it for PIMPROLL almost 4 years ago now and we still have times where we see $150 sales... believe me, it's not fun! Especially with your limited budgets. Be careful.

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Spend nothing on traffic.
Take what ever little budget you might have and start building blogs, galleries and such. Its money better spent till you got an idea of how your site converts, where the traffic comes from.

Having your own traffic sources is your best option for the longterm.

[dyna mo]

thanks Ross, i can focus dollars on each traffic source for short periods, i figure eh. there's no rush on things from here. let's take brokers, i can split a grand between 3 and go from there? $350 in traffic to 3 brokers should be a decent test eh? i would hope that in 90 days, the testing can sort out to a good enough *starting* point.

same with tubes, i think?? but i don't know if $1000/month would suffice for testing tube partnership or 3 for a small micro niche site.

and by partnership, i mean pages that have this content have links back etc.

i get ya with the seo, that all has to percolate a while before it hits.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

Spend nothing on traffic.
Take what ever little budget you might have and start building blogs, galleries and such. Its money better spent till you got an idea of how your site converts, where the traffic comes from.

Having your own traffic sources is your best option for the longterm.

appreciated!
my thought was to do both in conjunction. bad idea? i've actually got a different budget for tgp/mgp & blog traffic using galleries and all + more labor hours allocated. i'm super curious about this traffic too, esp. with the still photo crowd. i agree with you too and think early sales will come from here. could be wrong though, i'm confident in most all the other aspects of the project but my experience generating the required sort of traffic is lacking.

[Fenris Wolf]

Don't throw broker traffic to a paysite tour unless you have something unique. My suggestion is to create a paysite/tube hybrid for that. You will need multiple designs to split test your purchased traffic. What works for one broker may not work for another. Same goes for the type of traffic purchased, ie clicked banner, pop, skim, ect.

For branding purposes upload to the major tubes. Just a handful of sites are necessary. Your uploads will eventually get scraped by other sites, so let them do most of the work. Same thing goes for mainstream sites (example:youtube, dailymotion) that allow risque content.

[Furious_Male]

Depending on the niche I would delegate blocks of time and energy to social media promotion as well. Twitter, Reddit, Facebook (if you can manage a SFW approach), etc.

[seeandsee]

When you buy traffic from broker, you can buy directly from domain you want, you check their thumbs and make landing page to be "similar" to content on domain, bust CTR, bust ROI, bust QUALITY

[xxxbusiness]

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[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Fenris Wolf

Don't throw broker traffic to a paysite tour unless you have something unique. My suggestion is to create a paysite/tube hybrid for that. You will need multiple designs to split test your purchased traffic. What works for one broker may not work for another. Same goes for the type of traffic purchased, ie clicked banner, pop, skim, ect.

For branding purposes upload to the major tubes. Just a handful of sites are necessary. Your uploads will eventually get scraped by other sites, so let them do most of the work. Same thing goes for mainstream sites (example:youtube, dailymotion) that allow risque content.

hey thanks! any links to example paysite/tube hybrids? i am not sure i am getting that.

Originally Posted by Furious_Male

Depending on the niche I would delegate blocks of time and energy to social media promotion as well. Twitter, Reddit, Facebook (if you can manage a SFW approach), etc.

i think there is a pretty good SFW approach, i'm going to give that a good effort.

Originally Posted by seeandsee

When you buy traffic from broker, you can buy directly from domain you want, you check their thumbs and make landing page to be "similar" to content on domain, bust CTR, bust ROI, bust QUALITY

noted, ty.

Originally Posted by xxxbusiness

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i will look at that eh,

[kristin]

Maybe I missed it in all the posts - what is the niche?

Micro niche = tubes
General niche = no tubes

Stay away from brokers at first - you'll get raped and left with a bad taste in your mouth. Brokers don't know your sites or traffic, so learn yourself before you trust someone else bringing you deals.

[Nicky]

Good thread

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by kristin

Maybe I missed it in all the posts - what is the niche?

Micro niche = tubes
General niche = no tubes

Stay away from brokers at first - you'll get raped and left with a bad taste in your mouth. Brokers don't know your sites or traffic, so learn yourself before you trust someone else bringing you deals.

ty
it's a micro niche, well, i would consider it a micro niche. nothing entirely new, but a focus on an overlooked aspect of a niche. so i'm with you, i was counting on tube traffic to be pretty sweet if it can set it up properly with the right ones, which i'm sure it can.

so based on what i'm hearing, the best route is to

set up initial seo
develop my own traffic via the tgp/mgp + blog,

then add tube traffic

then begin testing with brokered traffic

then working out member area traffic deals from similar sites?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

ty
it's a micro niche, well, i would consider it a micro niche. nothing entirely new, but a focus on an overlooked aspect of a niche. so i'm with you, i was counting on tube traffic to be pretty sweet if it can set it up properly with the right ones, which i'm sure it can.

so based on what i'm hearing, the best route is to

set up initial seo
develop my own traffic via the tgp/mgp + blog,

then add tube traffic

then begin testing with brokered traffic

then working out member area traffic deals from similar sites?

You pretty much got it Mo BUT it ALL depends on your content. Take it from someone who's spent thousands on advertising and buying traffic (to little to no avail). Building your own traffic takes time but is the best thing to do ultimately, buying traffic/ads is a waste of money for you now, so do the other things you listed that do NOT cost you $$$.

But your content better be interesting and unique cause if it's just a blonde girl or something the amount of traffic you'll need to be successful will be prohibitive. Unque you may only need several thousand uniques to be successful. Good luck man!!

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

You pretty much got it Mo BUT it ALL depends on your content. Take it from someone who's spent thousands on advertising and buying traffic (to little to no avail). Building your own traffic takes time but is the best thing to do ultimately, buying traffic/ads is a waste of money for you now, so do the other things you listed that do NOT cost you $$$.

But your content better be interesting and unique cause if it's just a blonde girl or something the amount of traffic you'll need to be successful will be prohibitive. Unque you may only need several thousand uniques to be successful. Good luck man!!

hey, thanks. i hear ya, will be fun to see if it does spark anybody to whip out a cc. it's certainly not represented anywhere as good as it could be but it's also not a mega big micro niche either. and i like it which makes it all fun + sorting out things like this is fun too!

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

hey, thanks. i hear ya, will be fun to see if it does spark anybody to whip out a cc. it's certainly not represented anywhere as good as it could be but it's also not a mega big micro niche either. and i like it which makes it all fun + sorting out things like this is fun too!

Some of the "micro-niches" that people ignore at first can be GOLD Mr. Dyna Mo! Hit me on ICQ if you ever need any paysite advice. You can take it with a grain of salt, of course, as almost every paysite (and paysite owner) is differant. LOL Good luck with it man!

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Some of the "micro-niches" that people ignore at first can be GOLD Mr. Dyna Mo! Hit me on ICQ if you ever need any paysite advice. You can take it with a grain of salt, of course, as almost every paysite (and paysite owner) is differant. LOL Good luck with it man!

that would be cool with me ....... and thanks, i would very much like to chat with you on icq, i'll holler at ya down the road in a weekish when the design is finished and the 1st few sets are uploaded.

[Jack Sparrow]

Honestly, and no offense, but 1k wont get you anywhere near your set goal.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

Honestly, and no offense, but 1k wont get you anywhere near your set goal.

that was a # picked out of the sky, but yes, that's not a viable # for monthly marketing dollars.

i think a more realistic way to look at it is what am i willing to spend per customer/sale? that answer is 50% of the sale. ultimately.

i think that's a better way to look at it, right?

[kristin]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

ty
it's a micro niche, well, i would consider it a micro niche. nothing entirely new, but a focus on an overlooked aspect of a niche. so i'm with you, i was counting on tube traffic to be pretty sweet if it can set it up properly with the right ones, which i'm sure it can.

so based on what i'm hearing, the best route is to

set up initial seo
develop my own traffic via the tgp/mgp + blog,

then add tube traffic

then begin testing with brokered traffic

then working out member area traffic deals from similar sites?

You always want to do free marketing first, so SEO, listings, trade links, blogs, etc. No reason to spend money especially when some of the methods will take time to grow. You can have some clips cut up and toss them up on the tubes.

I don't think you need a broker or ad network until even further down the road. We have a CPA standard for our mobile deals with brokers and that info you cannot determine without months of data, including rebills.

If the content is good enough you can push this thing on your own no problem.

Also, I would implement a mobile solution.

[Jack Sparrow]

You nailed the point exactly.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that was a # picked out of the sky, but yes, that's not a viable # for monthly marketing dollars.

i think a more realistic way to look at it is what am i willing to spend per customer/sale? that answer is 50% of the sale. ultimately.

i think that's a better way to look at it, right?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by kristin

You always want to do free marketing first, so SEO, listings, trade links, blogs, etc. No reason to spend money especially when some of the methods will take time to grow. You can have some clips cut up and toss them up on the tubes.

I don't think you need a broker or ad network until even further down the road. We have a CPA standard for our mobile deals with brokers and that info you cannot determine without months of data, including rebills.

If the content is good enough you can push this thing on your own no problem.

Also, I would implement a mobile solution.

appreciated! i agree with you re: that if the content is good enough, there should be no serious roadblocks. i don't have any experience with that though so it's nice to hear your professional opinion knock-knocks on that.

i was wondering why you did not mention mobile earlier!

how early should that get going? just like traffic, i am not experienced in mobile, prolly worse with mobile.
one of my buddies writes mobile aps, etc, he & i can maybe brainstorm a fun app that can pull some traffic.

Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

You nailed the point exactly.

i appreciate the input!

[pornguy]

If your grandfather had a business how did he advertise?

Think outside the digital sphere.

[Agent 488]

why go through brokers? find the top tubes/tgps/blogs in your niches and buy directly through them or find the sites on juicy ads.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

why go through brokers? find the top tubes/tgps/blogs in your niches and buy directly through them or find the sites on juicy ads.

i have juicy ads ready to go in that way, but there are several TGP/MGPs in the niche that don't trade that i would like to trade with, i guess they have their own traffic circles set-up already, at least it appears that's the case.

also, a lot of them have dropped the ball post-tube era. soooo many have a skim set to 90%, don't update, have thumbs that clik to car insurance pages.

frankly, i think it's wide fucking open to get sales from MGP/TGPs, these guys should clean up their sites and get them working properly again. at least that's my observation.

[pornguy]

Hey mo.. Hit me on ICQ and I will give you a site to try and contact for some traffic he has a big network

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Hey mo.. Hit me on ICQ and I will give you a site to try and contact for some traffic he has a big network

well i currently don't have the icq. but i guess now that i am getting into this side of the biz, it's time i get to icquin eh!

i appreciate the offer, will install icq and contact you.

[NewNick]

So you registered Dec 2008, and you have witnessed the decimation of the adult paysite/affiliate model whilst making over 10k posts.

Now you want to start a paysite ?

[kristin]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

appreciated! i agree with you re: that if the content is good enough, there should be no serious roadblocks. i don't have any experience with that though so it's nice to hear your professional opinion knock-knocks on that.

i was wondering why you did not mention mobile earlier!

how early should that get going? just like traffic, i am not experienced in mobile, prolly worse with mobile.
one of my buddies writes mobile aps, etc, he & i can maybe brainstorm a fun app that can pull some traffic.



i appreciate the input!

Hit me up and we can chat, there are all sorts of things that I can't share with everyone. Have to keep some traffic secrets.

ICQ #: 147-945-440
Skype: Gingerbot
Twitter: Sales_GingerBot
kristin @ topbucks.com

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by NewNick

So you registered Dec 2008, and you have witnessed the decimation of the adult paysite/affiliate model whilst making over 10k posts.

Now you want to start a paysite ?

that about sums it up, yes. except for the affiliate model part, i doubt i will add an affiliate module. although, i can see the value in having <10 partnerships that resemble the affiliate model. but i can/will do those on an individual basis.

Originally Posted by kristin

Hit me up and we can chat, there are all sorts of things that I can't share with everyone. Have to keep some traffic secrets.

ICQ #: 147-945-440
Skype: Gingerbot
Twitter: Sales_GingerBot
kristin @ topbucks.com

srsly? dang. will do

[kristin]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

srsly? dang. will do

Of course, I'm not a bitch to everyone.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by kristin

Of course, I'm not a bitch to everyone.

double dang!

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by kristin

Of course, I'm not a bitch to everyone.

Kristin is only a "bitch" 32.4% of the time. Anything more than that and she gets overtime pay.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Kristin is only a "bitch" 32.4% of the time. Anything more than that and she gets overtime pay.

i can't think of 1 time where she's been a bitch.

but i'm like a deer in the headlights when it comes to kristin.