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JFK · 04-28-2011, 10:58 AM

Fitty .........Here We Go Again

TMM_John · 04-28-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK

Fitty .........Here We Go Again

Hey Woj, how you been?

Pseudonymous · 04-28-2011, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pompousjohn

What I do is have a trusted group and an untrusted group, for the trusted group I disable fraud scrubbing in the tours that are assigned to their enabled programs in Nats.

For the untrusted group the fraud controls are up. So it's not a feature of the netbilling gateway that I know of, but combine that with nats and you can do it.

In both cases I try to follow up and review transactions every 24 hours and void anything I am not comfortable with before the batch submits. On top of that I have the toll free # Netbilling assigned to my merchant account in the descriptor so if customers have billing issues we can hear about it right away and take care of it.

Interesting, thanks for the info.

pornmasta · 04-28-2011, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

3.Login and pass being added without sale credits...reported by multiple webmasters on gfy not my words just search GFY

hacking !

Far-L · 04-28-2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Yep, and I have seen some go out of business by getting their own merchant.
Sometimes spending a little more money for a lot less stress is worth it.

I have seen BOTH sides of this, and each have pro's and con's, and those also change depending on the company.

I've seen both sides too. Usually the ones that had issues having their own merch had issues because they were up to no good and the bank blows up.

We've used Netbilling for years and they took a ton of the stress out - now I know CCbill is a great company and great people started it so I am pro ccbill all the way - but Netbilling did the same level of "headache removal" as CCbill, including helping find merch banks. So all things being equal except one, more money, is what I am pointing out.

In a glutted market with every single margin being critical like TMM said, a few points extra anywhere you can find them is crucial... at least imo.

The Porn Nerd · 04-28-2011, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

I've seen both sides too. Usually the ones that had issues having their own merch had issues because they were up to no good and the bank blows up.

We've used Netbilling for years and they took a ton of the stress out - now I know CCbill is a great company and great people started it so I am pro ccbill all the way - but Netbilling did the same level of "headache removal" as CCbill, including helping find merch banks. So all things being equal except one, more money, is what I am pointing out.

In a glutted market with every single margin being critical like TMM said, a few points extra anywhere you can find them is crucial... at least imo.

Thanks for your posts in this thread Far-L! I love it when GFY-ers make more and more sense. LOL

Netbilling along with NATS, incorporating CCBill, Epoch and Zombaio.....hmmm....

Far-L · 04-28-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

An EXCELLENT question! here's my answer(s):

I've been in business for exactly 2 years and 4 months. LOL (My OWN biz, I mean; been online with other companies since about '06). I've seen almost miraculous growth these past 2 years, busting my ass (as many of you do). I've added a new website about once a month (started with 5 sites, now have 26, with 2 more being finished this week).

So:

1. I've been bizzy. LOL
2. Getting a merch account is not as easy as it may appear (ask Robbie, who has shared his experiences with getting one here on GFY)
3. WHICH merch account to get? Not all banks will deal with porn, or a "small guy" like me
4. I don't want to switch to a merch account 100% - considering NATS integrated with several processors instead - because I'm way too bizzy to write checks and all the other things needed with a merch account
5. My affiliates like the stability and certainty of payment through CCBill.

Just a few reasons. But basically, it's on my 'To Do' List. LOL

Ok, I hear you but to counterpoint...

1. You have been busy building sites and getting traffic. Perhaps if you backed off on building the sites to focus briefly on getting your own merch acct. you could make more money on less effort than you are investing now.

2. Everyone is different. Just because Robbie had issues doesn't mean you will. Just ask R_n L_v_y. Where there is a will there is a way.

3. Talk to Netbilling sometime. They can talk banks with you and address those concerns. Mitch has personally come to this board on numerous occasions to say he can help find banks for people - even with relatively tiny sales volumes.

4. You can automate most of the stress with checks though I guess you would still have to sign checks but even that is possible to rubber stamp with a sig. I don't think that will cause carpal tunnel syndrome until you are putting out thousands of checks per day. You can still of course use ccbill, epoch, etc. in your cascade.

5. Kind of ironic that you are saying this last one in a thread where you are calling CCbill out publicly for assumed irregularities. Your affiliates really are putting their trust in you and the way you run your company. If you run your company in a way that makes more for your affiliates without screwing your surfers then that is what they will have the most faith in.

PornoMonster · 04-28-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

I've seen both sides too. Usually the ones that had issues having their own merch had issues because they were up to no good and the bank blows up.

We've used Netbilling for years and they took a ton of the stress out - now I know CCbill is a great company and great people started it so I am pro ccbill all the way - but Netbilling did the same level of "headache removal" as CCbill, including helping find merch banks. So all things being equal except one, more money, is what I am pointing out.

In a glutted market with every single margin being critical like TMM said, a few points extra anywhere you can find them is crucial... at least imo.

All I am saying is some people like it simple.
Some like to squeeze every penny they can, and should.
One example is, does netbilling, Figure, Print, Mail your affiliate checks? A stamp alone depending on membership price, can be 1-2%.

The people I seen go out of business, did not know how to handle chargebacks, and when you get hit with those, the fines and such, ouch. Can the still be there with CCBILL, yeah.

Some companies just did not take in account all the extras that you have to pay for with you own merchant account. These companies, also do not take advantage of Emails, member area sales, crosses and so on.

Just saying, amount of signups are not just one factor to look at for a merchant account.

Honeslty I believe in the multiple cascading, nats or mpa3 with lots of tracking, if done correctly.

PornoMonster · 04-28-2011, 11:35 AM

Oh I completely forgot.
MisterPeabody, someone pointed out that epoch does now do splits.
OR
On Epoch join pages you can charge a little more??
Nothing has to be the same price, I have ran a lot higher rate on typein traffic join pages.

SwirlsGirl · 04-28-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Ok, I hear you but to counterpoint...

1. You have been busy building sites and getting traffic. Perhaps if you backed off on building the sites to focus briefly on getting your own merch acct. you could make more money on less effort than you are investing now.

2. Everyone is different. Just because Robbie had issues doesn't mean you will. Just ask R_n L_v_y. Where there is a will there is a way.

3. Talk to Netbilling sometime. They can talk banks with you and address those concerns. Mitch has personally come to this board on numerous occasions to say he can help find banks for people - even with relatively tiny sales volumes.

4. You can automate most of the stress with checks though I guess you would still have to sign checks but even that is possible to rubber stamp with a sig. I don't think that will cause carpal tunnel syndrome until you are putting out thousands of checks per day. You can still of course use ccbill, epoch, etc. in your cascade.

5. Kind of ironic that you are saying this last one in a thread where you are calling CCbill out publicly for assumed irregularities. Your affiliates really are putting their trust in you and the way you run your company. If you run your company in a way that makes more for your affiliates without screwing your surfers then that is what they will have the most faith in.

Glad to see this perspective because coming here to gfy to call out the so called #1 billing company in the world is extremely brave and noble especially if you have the goods.

The problem is one will never get the kudos, or respect deserved for pointing out and questioning "irregularities" to say the least.

Your affiliates do trust you and expect you to give them the tools to succeed..and thats why it is mega frustrating to have affiliates sending you traffic and having no sales consistency whatsoever.

Mr. Peabody is very good at expressing his concerns and in my opinion always gives the benefit of the doubt.

With all due respect and honesty...these threads are no different today than they were a year ago..its the same bizarre phenomenon, the same tired public relations script.

In this day of business warfare, and no matter how silly and lighthearted you take your business it still is warfare. If you are successful at what you do, somewhere there are others plotting against you, to take you out of the equation.

Thats just reality, and if you don't think there are good motivations out there for certain accounts to be "Misrepresented" than you are in naive.

We also have been around the block with merchant accounts, processing companies..and the bottom line is we all place others on the cash register so to speak to collect our funds.

I have been taken by 3rd party companies, and I have been taken by merchant account companies.

Maybe its bad luck, maybe its jealousy, maybe its greed, maybe its just straight ruthlessness.

I also understand this undeniable truth...if and when the time comes for billing companies to have to "shave" to stay in business you,them,us,and we will be the very very last to know.

There is no acceptable excuse I can think of to deny a customers transaction when they have funds on a good card and want to transact.

I ask a direct question about what would cause a 200% join form percentage no one on here can say its normal...ccbill says it is "inaccurate" but I am labeled paranoid for asking about this bizarre stat?

Maybe if 200% of the revenue would show up from 100% of my approvals then I too would be in high roller status again? Ya think?

The Porn Nerd · 04-28-2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Oh I completely forgot.
MisterPeabody, someone pointed out that epoch does now do splits.
OR
On Epoch join pages you can charge a little more??
Nothing has to be the same price, I have ran a lot higher rate on typein traffic join pages.

Yes, I see that Epoch does splits now. LOL Makes CCBill's position a little weaker then, yes?

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Ok, I hear you but to counterpoint...

1. You have been busy building sites and getting traffic. Perhaps if you backed off on building the sites to focus briefly on getting your own merch acct. you could make more money on less effort than you are investing now.

2. Everyone is different. Just because Robbie had issues doesn't mean you will. Just ask R_n L_v_y. Where there is a will there is a way.

3. Talk to Netbilling sometime. They can talk banks with you and address those concerns. Mitch has personally come to this board on numerous occasions to say he can help find banks for people - even with relatively tiny sales volumes.

4. You can automate most of the stress with checks though I guess you would still have to sign checks but even that is possible to rubber stamp with a sig. I don't think that will cause carpal tunnel syndrome until you are putting out thousands of checks per day. You can still of course use ccbill, epoch, etc. in your cascade.

5. Kind of ironic that you are saying this last one in a thread where you are calling CCbill out publicly for assumed irregularities. Your affiliates really are putting their trust in you and the way you run your company. If you run your company in a way that makes more for your affiliates without screwing your surfers then that is what they will have the most faith in.

I responded to many of your points before you made them in an earlier post. LOL But i agree with you. These last 2 sites are my last ones until summer's end and I plan to spend May-August addressing many of these issues (and others). When you're one person you have to multi-task and prioritize. LOL

Oh - and Point #5? I agree affiliates will be happy when more revenue comes their way but I also know many affiliates like CCBill (being able to add sites and merge checks, etc) and CCBill's stability was a major reason I chose them from the start. Now that I've grown from being a pure "amateur" to, well, whatever I am now, it's time to expand my processing choices.

fuzebox · 04-28-2011, 12:05 PM

I'd like to point out that at relatively lower sales volumes, a merchant account isn't that much cheaper. Once you factor in the extra gateway costs, support costs (you do your own billing support now), and yearly fees for ssl and pci compliance, you aren't really saving that much money, and are creating a lot more work especially for a 1-2 person company. The big third party billers are keeping their rates competitive these days.

barcodes · 04-28-2011, 12:10 PM

Hey There,

So I was skimming through this and said to myself "Let me see this guys site". Went to mrpeabodysworld and started clicking on your different sites to check them out. When I click on your thumbnails to go to one of your other sites, I randomly get this error:

There seems to be an error in processing your request. The information below will help in determining the cause of the error. If you are sure you have done everything correctly and this error persists, please contact [email protected] for further assistance.

Internal Error

Sometimes after 3 or so refreshes I would get to the site, if I refresh the peabody site and click on the same thumb, someitmes I would get that error page again, sometimes I would get the site.

I will post screenies of 4 or 5 I went to that threw this error.
I don't know if you are playing with something right now, either way hope its of some use.

The Porn Nerd · 04-28-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by barcodes

Hey There,

So I was skimming through this and said to myself "Let me see this guys site". Went to mrpeabodysworld and started clicking on your different sites to check them out. When I click on your thumbnails to go to one of your other sites, I randomly get this error:

There seems to be an error in processing your request. The information below will help in determining the cause of the error. If you are sure you have done everything correctly and this error persists, please contact [email protected] for further assistance.

Internal Error

Sometimes after 3 or so refreshes I would get to the site, if I refresh the peabody site and click on the same thumb, someitmes I would get that error page again, sometimes I would get the site.

I will post screenies of 4 or 5 I went to that threw this error.
I don't know if you are playing with something right now, either way hope its of some use.

Well, that's disturbing! LOL Thanks for doing this tho, and for posting. I went through www.misterpeabodyworld.com just now (in a panic) but everytime I clicked on a thumb it was fine. Cleared cache, etc. I know sometimes within the Members Area this could happen, which is rare, so I checked that, too: everything's working fine on my end. LOL

Also, I would see a drop in traffic if this were a prob. But do post some screenshots and I'll triple-check. Thanks again!

CCBill Paul · 04-28-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by barcodes

Hey There,

So I was skimming through this and said to myself "Let me see this guys site". Went to mrpeabodysworld and started clicking on your different sites to check them out. When I click on your thumbnails to go to one of your other sites, I randomly get this error:

There seems to be an error in processing your request. The information below will help in determining the cause of the error. If you are sure you have done everything correctly and this error persists, please contact [email protected] for further assistance.

Internal Error

Sometimes after 3 or so refreshes I would get to the site, if I refresh the peabody site and click on the same thumb, someitmes I would get that error page again, sometimes I would get the site.

I will post screenies of 4 or 5 I went to that threw this error.
I don't know if you are playing with something right now, either way hope its of some use.

If you could please email those shots to me. I have an idea but would certainly like to take a look. Thank you.

barcodes · 04-28-2011, 12:24 PM

I just tried it again and it isnt happening, but if its randomly doing that throughout the day it may be cause for your drop in sales.

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/8408/81426076.jpg

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/6210/52828067.jpg

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6282/11981201.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3449/30858638.jpg

you can see from the screenies that each tab is from a different url.

Some thumbs i clicked went to a site, most went to this error page, after like two refreshes the error page would go to the site it was supposed to go to but someone prob wont refresh a dead affil link multiple times imo.

Best of luck.

barcodes · 04-28-2011, 12:28 PM

Sorry Paul, I did not see your request until after I posted

Rand · 04-28-2011, 12:42 PM

MisterPeabody,

We recently implemented the ability to split payments so we are happy to accommodate you.

There is a simple form to fill out and the change will implement for the following payout. Since you have already made this request in the past, your form is already present in EpochStats.

Anyone else who would like to split payments should contact your account rep to make the request or write to [email protected].

Have a profitable day.

.

CCBill Paul · 04-28-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by barcodes

Sorry Paul, I did not see your request until after I posted

No worries, thank you for the links! We are looking into it right now.

The Porn Nerd · 04-28-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by barcodes

Some thumbs i clicked went to a site, most went to this error page, after like two refreshes the error page would go to the site it was supposed to go to but someone prob wont refresh a dead affil link multiple times imo.

Best of luck.

Thank you VERY very much for taking the time and attention to notice this and post this man!! I think I owe you a few drinks.

I have not seen this before, these error messages, nor would I because I don't spend time clicking around my own network. LOL

PaulK - let's get on this brotha!!

I know CCBill has been implementing a new Admin ("Beta") and I have noticed strange form data, hits, percentages, etc, and did consider this as part of the "problem".
Example: I went to add a biz partner to the 'custom emails' in their sub-account four days ago. I've done this many times so know the proceedure. But then I got an email from this biz partner asking why he was receiving notifications from my network for ALL sites (except his). WTF? So I check and, sure enough, his email wasn't added to HIS sub-account but rather to my ENTIRE NETWORK (main account). LOL Now of course I did not do this. Now this new partner of mine has seen ALL my sales and his site, which went live only a few days ago, has not seen any sales yet.

Embarrassing? Potentially damaging to our new relationship? Sure. CCBill's "fault"? Absolutely. How did this happen? CCBill doesn't know. What can I do about it now? Nuthin'. LOL So there ya go.

Awaiting your research into these issues PaulK! Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Rand

MisterPeabody,

We recently implemented the ability to split payments so we are happy to accommodate you.

There is a simple form to fill out and the change will implement for the following payout. Since you have already made this request in the past, your form is already present in EpochStats.

Anyone else who would like to split payments should contact your account rep to make the request or write to [email protected].

Have a profitable day.

.

Thanks Rand - already on it with my Epoch rep.

CCBill Paul · 04-28-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by barcodes

Sorry Paul, I did not see your request until after I posted

One of our satellite servers was returning an error. The issue has now been resolved. Please try again and let me know if you have any problems. Thank you.

The Porn Nerd · 04-28-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

One of our satellite servers was returning an error. The issue has now been resolved. Please try again and let me know if you have any problems. Thank you.

Email sent to you Paul. After investigating through my stats and server stats this issue has been going on for more than a year. Details in email. Thank you.

CCBill Paul · 04-28-2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Email sent to you Paul. After investigating through my stats and server stats this issue has been going on for more than a year. Details in email. Thank you.

Thank you sir. I have received your email. I believe the two issues are unrelated as this particular error has not been occuring for more than a year. I will get back to you shortly.

The Porn Nerd · 04-28-2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

Thank you sir. I have received your email. I believe the two issues are unrelated as this particular error has not been occuring for more than a year. I will get back to you shortly.

Thanks Paul - I agree, they may not be related but the points I made in my email may help explain things further, or at least provide some clues.

Thanks for looking into all this Paul.

CCBill Paul · 04-28-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Thanks Paul - I agree, they may not be related but the points I made in my email may help explain things further, or at least provide some clues.

Thanks for looking into all this Paul.

I am with you and am looking into all angles. Thank you for your patience sir.

As near as we can tell the error posted in those screen shots was intermittenly occuring for approximately 3 hours.

The Porn Nerd · 04-28-2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

I am with you and am looking into all angles. Thank you for your patience sir.

As near as we can tell the error posted in those screen shots was intermittenly occuring for approximately 3 hours.

Well, that IS good to hear. LOL Now let's figure out why my sites are performing so poorly lately with CCBill.

Jakez · 04-28-2011, 02:16 PM

NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS

Your affiliates will thank you.

The Porn Nerd · 04-28-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS

Your affiliates will thank you.

Are you saying NATS? I don't understnad.

TMM_John · 04-28-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Are you saying NATS? I don't understnad.

I think he might be trying to imply that, lol.

And, once you get a look at NATS 4.1, I bet you won't be able to put it off any longer.

The Porn Nerd · 04-28-2011, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TMM_John

I think he might be trying to imply that, lol.

And, once you get a look at NATS 4.1, I bet you won't be able to put it off any longer.

This is why I love you John, you're like my weed dealer: "Here, try the Kush, the Kush baby, the Kush..."

Then suddenly I'm smoking NATS all damn day. LOL

Sausage · 04-28-2011, 05:35 PM

I also have major issues getting a response from CCBill too. Tried to change my address, but it just refuses to go through. Impossible to deal with.

2MuchMark · 04-28-2011, 06:04 PM

There is an insane amount of paranoia going on in this thread. Everyone please read this.

Just because you get alot of steady traffic does not mean you will get alot of steady sales. And more so, just because you get less sales today than you did yesterday does not mean it has anything to do with the billing company that you use.

There are dozens if not hundreds of factors that add up to a purchase. Just a few of these factors might be these: Is the customer interested in buying? Buying Today? Buying right now? Does he have a credit card? Does he have room on his card? Has he made chargebacks in the past? (If so, how many?)? Is his wife around? Is he horny? Is he thinking about enjoying free content on tubes instead of paying for it on yours? Is his computer working well? Is his chair comfortable? Can he afford this? Is he considering clicking an ad for a competitor? Is he lost in pop-up hell? Is he drunk? Stoned? Etc etc etc.

Suspecting billing companies especially CCBill and dragging it out into a public arena is ridiculous and makes people who do look amateur when there are so many other things to consider.

If you think you're losing sales to scrubs, ask your biller if the scrub level can be adjusted for you. If not, cascade. If the cascading biller creates a new problem for you, find another biller or write some software to help you. ADAPT!

If you can't do any of the above, CONTACT YOUR REP at your billing company and talk to him. Trust me it is in their best interest to work with you, not against you. Constructing conspiracy theories and presenting suspicions as if they are facts is not the way to get to the actual root of the problem.

The Porn Nerd · 04-28-2011, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

There is an insane amount of paranoia going on in this thread. Everyone please read this.

Just because you get alot of steady traffic does not mean you will get alot of steady sales. And more so, just because you get less sales today than you did yesterday does not mean it has anything to do with the billing company that you use.

There are dozens if not hundreds of factors that add up to a purchase. Just a few of these factors might be these: Is the customer interested in buying? Buying Today? Buying right now? Does he have a credit card? Does he have room on his card? Has he made chargebacks in the past? (If so, how many?)? Is his wife around? Is he horny? Is he thinking about enjoying free content on tubes instead of paying for it on yours? Is his computer working well? Is his chair comfortable? Can he afford this? Is he considering clicking an ad for a competitor? Is he lost in pop-up hell? Is he drunk? Stoned? Etc etc etc.

Suspecting billing companies especially CCBill and dragging it out into a public arena is ridiculous and makes people who do look amateur when there are so many other things to consider.

If you think you're losing sales to scrubs, ask your biller if the scrub level can be adjusted for you. If not, cascade. If the cascading biller creates a new problem for you, find another biller or write some software to help you. ADAPT!

If you can't do any of the above, CONTACT YOUR REP at your billing company and talk to him. Trust me it is in their best interest to work with you, not against you. Constructing conspiracy theories and presenting suspicions as if they are facts is not the way to get to the actual root of the problem.

Well Mark, I was going to reply in a snarky fashion, stating that only a rank IDIOT would NOT consider the factors you outlined but then the Kush started to kick in so now I don't care. Yes, I contacted my rep, he's replied many times in this thread. Some in this thread may have higher degrees of paranoia than myself. LOL

We can't all be as handsome, rich and Canadian as you are Mark, so some of us micro-manage.

Bladewire · 04-28-2011, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

I have not seen this before, these error messages, nor would I because I don't spend time clicking around my own network. LOL

Nothing against you as you don't seem dickish to me at all but the first thing I'd do after sending "a shitload of traffic to my network" and not seeing an increase in sales would be to start "clicking around my own network". Checking around on your network is exactly what I did after reading your post. I went to all your sites, checked Google for all pages indexed, and a few other things. That was about noon my time and all your links were working then. I then made my first post in this thread.

Probably the very last thing to come to mind would be that my processor has put a cap on how much money they want to make with me.

The Porn Nerd · 04-28-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Squirtit

Nothing against you as you don't seem dickish to me at all but the first thing I'd do after sending "a shitload of traffic to my network" and not seeing an increase in sales would be to start "clicking around my own network". Checking around on your network is exactly what I did after reading your post. I went to all your sites, checked Google for all pages indexed, and a few other things. That was about noon my time and all your links were working then. I then made my first post in this thread.

Probably the very last thing to come to mind would be that my processor has put a cap on how much money they want to make with me.

I appreciate you taking the time to do that, I really do! And I really like it when people with experience offer their viewpoints. I'm here to learn, first and foremost.

I guess I should've said I don't, on a regular basis, start clicking around my network. LOL When I see more traffic and less sales the first thing I do is check every site and Join page, etc. But the error massages posted (screenshots) I've never seen before, or rarely if ever. So that was puzzling to me.

I also use a link-checker to check links. But your points are good ones. Also, I wouldn't suspect my processor of anything if I wasn't seeing strange numbers on the processor's end of things. Then I (logically?) question said processer.

Bladewire · 04-28-2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

I appreciate you taking the time to do that, I really do! And I really like it when people with experience offer their viewpoints. I'm here to learn, first and foremost.

I guess I should've said I don't, on a regular basis, start clicking around my network. LOL When I see more traffic and less sales the first thing I do is check every site and Join page, etc. But the error massages posted (screenshots) I've never seen before, or rarely if ever. So that was puzzling to me.

I also use a link-checker to check links. But your points are good ones. Also, I wouldn't suspect my processor of anything if I wasn't seeing strange numbers on the processor's end of things. Then I (logically?) question said processer.

Yeah I hear ya

There's so much to miss and so many things that can go wrong on a site with a simple typo or wrong click, let alone a network of sites. It's a pain in the ass and easy to mess up.

When I ran the W3c linkchecker on just your themisterpeabody.com site they show that a join page you're linking to is a 404

They also show your recent updates page that's being linked to has 40 broken images.

V_RocKs · 04-28-2011, 07:48 PM

You need TMM 4.1 NATS and a cascade!

The Porn Nerd · 04-28-2011, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squirtit

Yeah I hear ya

There's so much to miss and so many things that can go wrong on a site with a simple typo or wrong click, let alone a network of sites. It's a pain in the ass and easy to mess up.

When I ran the W3c linkchecker on just your themisterpeabody.com site they show that a join page you're linking to is a 404

They also show your recent updates page that's being linked to has 40 broken images.

Man, I gotta start counting the beers I owe people in this thread. LOL That makes a couple I owe YOU at least!

The first link http://www.themisterpeabody.com/join/index.htm was absolutely bad and is now fixed. But the 40 broken images on the recent updates page is not accurate. Link-checkers miss it cause it's in an I-frame. You can see they appear fine here:

www.misterpeabodyworld.com

I need to hire someone who's better at details than me to handle all this stuff. LOL Thanks again!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

You need TMM 4.1 NATS and a cascade!

One out of two ain't bad? LOL NATS is coming, TMM_John is just too damn persuasive.

Bladewire · 04-28-2011, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Man, I gotta start counting the beers I owe people in this thread. LOL That makes a couple I owe YOU at least!

The first link http://www.themisterpeabody.com/join/index.htm was absolutely bad and is now fixed. But the 40 broken images on the recent updates page is not accurate. Link-checkers miss it cause it's in an I-frame. You can see they appear fine here:

www.misterpeabodyworld.com

I need to hire someone who's better at details than me to handle all this stuff. LOL Thanks again!!

No problem. I learned to delegate to other people long ago as I miss a lot of details when I have a lot on my mind :D

If you follow the link I gave to your recent updates page you'll see that all the images are broken.

The I-frame on your home page refers to /updates_new/updates.html and it works fine. The link I gave refers to /recentupdates.html . I just ran linkchecker again so I could tell you what page was linking to that page but now it doesn't come up so that's good

The Porn Nerd · 04-28-2011, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squirtit

No problem. I learned to delegate to other people long ago as I miss a lot of details when I have a lot on my mind :D

If you follow the link I gave to your recent updates page you'll see that all the images are broken.

The I-frame on your home page refers to /updates_new/updates.html and it works fine. The link I gave refers to /recentupdates.html . I just ran linkchecker again so I could tell you what page was linking to that page but now it doesn't come up so that's good

Oh wow, I know what that link is now! Holy shit, LOL. That was to my OLD design for my network page. Like two years old now. Haha! Sorry I didn't understand at first. Long day.

I'm testing out some off-shore "delegaters" now, actually. Hopefully by summertime I'll have some basic tasks outsourced and can then, you know, pay attention.

NETbilling · 04-28-2011, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMM_John

CCBill are great people and they run a great company, but with that said you need the right tools to grow your business. You need some NATS

We've spoken before and you know we'll help you get transitioned over well and make sure it's as painless as possible for you.

There are a tremendous amount of features in NATS which you can use to monitor your sites & sales and to tweak everything to maximize your potential. An increase of 5% here, 2% there, 3% here, it all adds up after a while to quite a bit. Even if you ONLY increased your sales by 5% with NATS, that's surely worth $150/mo (the starting price of NATS).

There are endless ways you can optimize your business with NATS, you need to be taking advantage of as many of them as you can these days. Don't limit yourself or your business by being dependent upon one company. If you want to throw a merchant account or an alternative payment system in the mix, don't be limited by your backend. If you want to get complex reporting and A-B testing of various options & price points, don't be limited by your backend. If you want to offer your affiliates EVERYTHING they need to make the most off of your sites, don't be limited by your backend. The list goes on and on. Don't limit yourself.

NATS 4.1 is finally ready for its official release. You can be installed directly onto it within the next few days, and it is absolutely amazing.

I concur about NATS and we are happy to help with an additional processor for you at rates much lower than you are probably paying now. You will also have full control with NETbilling and will be able to see all approvals, declines, and have full access to the scrub tools for your accounts.

Are you ready to take control?

Thanks, Mitch

The Porn Nerd · 04-29-2011, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NETbilling

I concur about NATS and we are happy to help with an additional processor for you at rates much lower than you are probably paying now. You will also have full control with NETbilling and will be able to see all approvals, declines, and have full access to the scrub tools for your accounts.

Are you ready to take control?

Thanks, Mitch

Thanks for this - and since sales are still cocksuck-y with CCBill I am now seriously considering this.

SwirlsGirl · 04-29-2011, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Thanks for this - and since sales are still cocksuck-y with CCBill I am now seriously considering this.

Damn Mr. Peabody...sorry to hear that about your sales...I know what you mean 7 of my last 8 sales came from non ccbill processors... but everything is fine remember they have no motive or reason for not helping you make money!

ccbill reps tell you on the phone that a 200% join form percentage is "definitely inaccurate"

then another ccbill rep comes in gfy and apologizes for the other ccbill reps bad information, and suggests that a 200% join form submission percentage is certainly accurate.

Did you know that you could submit a join form with 2 different bogus names and get a decline message that says..."you currently have a subscription and are unable to sign up"

Did you also know that you can submit a join form that is not filled out completely and get two different results.

If you are a ccbill rep and you submit a form that is incomplete you get a prompt saying please fill out the rest of form before transaction can be submitted...

however if you are me and you submit a form that is incomplete it gets processed and a decline error like this...."declined by bank...please use another card"

biskoppen · 04-29-2011, 08:35 AM

I'm probably the biggest CCBILL complainer of all times.. well I used to be..

My experience is that when you're only doing like 20-40 sales a day the pattern can from time to time show some no-sales-holes that seem quite strange.. but every single time I tried to make a test sign up - or got someone else to do it.. it worked just fine. And trust me, I've been doing ALOT of these test signups..

I've seen 20 sales in 3 hours and 0 sales in the next 3 hours.. over and over again..

That being said.. when my traffic is up there.. when I buy a shitload of traffic.. I have been pulling everywhere from 200 to 1000 sales a day.. and when you have that number of sales, there are no holes to been seen.. there might be peaks and stuff, but no holes at all.

I think this is just how patterns are..

The Porn Nerd · 04-29-2011, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Damn Mr. Peabody...sorry to hear that about your sales...I know what you mean 7 of my last 8 sales came from non ccbill processors... but everything is fine remember they have no motive or reason for not helping you make money!

ccbill reps tell you on the phone that a 200% join form percentage is "definitely inaccurate"

then another ccbill rep comes in gfy and apologizes for the other ccbill reps bad information, and suggests that a 200% join form submission percentage is certainly accurate.

Did you know that you could submit a join form with 2 different bogus names and get a decline message that says..."you currently have a subscription and are unable to sign up"

Did you also know that you can submit a join form that is not filled out completely and get two different results.

If you are a ccbill rep and you submit a form that is incomplete you get a prompt saying please fill out the rest of form before transaction can be submitted...

however if you are me and you submit a form that is incomplete it gets processed and a decline error like this...."declined by bank...please use another card"

Definitely some odd things going on, maybe behind the scenes or on the backend. CCBill has been implementing "Beta", their new Admin, so maybe this is why certain percentages/reports have been screwy lately. I honestly don't kow and have no way of ever finding out. LOL

CCBill is a fine company, I keep saying that because it is true. But there are other "fine companies" out there that, either along with or instead of CCBill, may be a better match for you. This is how I am thinking since my #1 issue with CCBill is that no matter WHAT I seem to do - more traffic, more websites, etc etc - my overall transactions (sales and rebills) and REVENUE (THE most important number) remain shockingly, surprisingly, "the same" week after week for a couple months now. Now growth, no decline, just steady, steady averages. Now, believe you me, I am grateful for the consistency in these inconsistent and uncertain times! But I am trying to GROW my biz, not maintain "status quo" and this is the main and major (current) frustration.

Having said all of the above, I have 2 new websites a-cummin' in the next few weeks so this "plateau" will break out of itself by summertime.

As Teencat says: Hope your sales are good for everyone and your sites are doing okey dokey goodie!" Or whatever he says (love that guy).

Quote:

Originally Posted by biskoppen

I'm probably the biggest CCBILL complainer of all times.. well I used to be..

My experience is that when you're only doing like 20-40 sales a day the pattern can from time to time show some no-sales-holes that seem quite strange.. but every single time I tried to make a test sign up - or got someone else to do it.. it worked just fine. And trust me, I've been doing ALOT of these test signups..

I've seen 20 sales in 3 hours and 0 sales in the next 3 hours.. over and over again..

That being said.. when my traffic is up there.. when I buy a shitload of traffic.. I have been pulling everywhere from 200 to 1000 sales a day.. and when you have that number of sales, there are no holes to been seen.. there might be peaks and stuff, but no holes at all.

I think this is just how patterns are..

Congrats on the 200-1000 sales A DAY there dude! LOL Depending on price points I'd say if you were doing those numbers anywhere near consistently then you'd be an Owner of GFY. :D Anyway, congrats - and the point here is: HOW can I (or anyone else for that matter) GROW from 20-40 sales daily TO 200-1000 sales daily when we're dealing with the issues in this thread. Can it be done? Oh sure, and I WILL do it. LOL Just would like some cooperation in terms of understanding these patterns simply so I can "adapt or die" (make adjustments).

I don't feel like I'm asking for the Moon here folks.

biskoppen · 04-29-2011, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Congrats on the 200-1000 sales A DAY there dude! LOL Depending on price points I'd say if you were doing those numbers anywhere near consistently then you'd be an Owner of GFY. :D Anyway, congrats - and the point here is: HOW can I (or anyone else for that matter) GROW from 20-40 sales daily TO 200-1000 sales daily when we're dealing with the issues in this thread. Can it be done?

Growing is easy.. just buy traffic.. profit is the hard part..

BV · 04-29-2011, 02:34 PM

MisterPeabody,

It really irritates me that every time sales drop off you make a thread calling out CCBill, and in the same thread say that you are not calling them out. (yet you make post after post insinuating that they have something screwed up, scrub turned up, sales capped, etc etc etc.....)

If you don't know 100% please quit fucking making these stupid ass threads. Why? because it casts unfair doubt on CCBill and all the other programs that use them. (like me)

Now we even have NATS and NetBilling coming in here and bottom feeding in a CCBill thread. Times must be real bad for them to do shit like that. However I am glad they did because I hope you take them up on their offer and move your shit over to them. AND please take SwirlyGirl with you!

I doubt CCBill would ever admit it but I bet they have their fingers crossed hoping you do switch and try them out. (my opinion)

Once you switch you will see that it's not going to make any difference at all. (my opinion) But good luck anyhow.

So you got 4 times the amount of traffic coming in this past week from quote: "3 of the biggest tubes on the planet" and you're wondering why your sales didn't go up 4 times?

You say your sites quote: "convert like crazy from tube traffic" lol ok right

That's like the oldest cliche in the book dude. "My sites convert like crazy from <insert traffic source here> traffic."

Everyone that knows anything knows that nothing "converts like crazy" off of tube traffic.

Nothing has "converted like crazy" for years.

Anyways I am through busting your balls for now. But when you bust CCBill's balls (which in turn busts every program that uses them balls) I will be here to keep you in check.

Peace,
BV

The Porn Nerd · 04-29-2011, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

MisterPeabody,

It really irritates me that every time sales drop off you make a thread calling out CCBill, and in the same thread say that you are not calling them out. (yet you make post after post insinuating that they have something screwed up, scrub turned up, sales capped, etc etc etc.....)

If you don't know 100% please quit fucking making these stupid ass threads. Why? because it casts unfair doubt on CCBill and all the other programs that use them. (like me)

Now we even have NATS and NetBilling coming in here and bottom feeding in a CCBill thread. Times must be real bad for them to do shit like that. However I am glad they did because I hope you take them up on their offer and move your shit over to them. AND please take SwirlyGirl with you!

I doubt CCBill would ever admit it but I bet they have their fingers crossed hoping you do switch and try them out. (my opinion)

Once you switch you will see that it's not going to make any difference at all. (my opinion) But good luck anyhow.

So you got 4 times the amount of traffic coming in this past week from quote: "3 of the biggest tubes on the planet" and you're wondering why your sales didn't go up 4 times?

You say your sites quote: "convert like crazy from tube traffic" lol ok right

That's like the oldest cliche in the book dude. "My sites convert like crazy from <insert traffic source here> traffic."

Everyone that knows anything knows that nothing "converts like crazy" off of tube traffic.

Nothing has "converted like crazy" for years.

Anyways I am through busting your balls for now. But when you bust CCBill's balls (which in turn busts every program that uses them balls) I will be here to keep you in check.

Peace,
BV

BV: eat my cock and choke on my cum.

You pray every single night that you have even a single site that converts "like crazy" like a few of my sites do. You don't know my numbers, I don't know your numbers, MY business does not affect YOUR business (CCBill questions or not) so basically shut the fuck up. Otherwise people might think you're on the CCBill payroll. Are you?

My issues with CCBill are being resolved and I have not bumped this thread because of that, you did. Was it on the first page before you felt the need to post your ridiculous assumptions?

I don't know you BV but what I DO know is that anytime anyone ever says a single WORD about CCBill you jump right in. Perhaps CCBill pays you by the post?

Who was the first person to comment in this thread again? Choke on my cum bud. Ignore.

BV · 04-29-2011, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

BV: eat my cock and choke on my cum.

You pray every single night that you have even a single site that converts "like crazy" like a few of my sites do. You don't know my numbers, I don't know your numbers, MY business does not affect YOUR business (CCBill questions or not) so basically shut the fuck up. Otherwise people might think you're on the CCBill payroll. Are you?

My issues with CCBill are being resolved and I have not bumped this thread because of that, you did. Was it on the first page before you felt the need to post your ridiculous assumptions?

I don't know you BV but what I DO know is that anytime anyone ever says a single WORD about CCBill you jump right in. Perhaps CCBill pays you by the post?

Who was the first person to comment in this thread again? Choke on my cum bud. Ignore.

You continually bashing CCBill could affect my business and everyone else that uses and trusts CCBill.

You think I am on CCBill's payroll? lol sorry you are wrong (again)

Get some help man. The paranoia is going to kill you.

The Porn Nerd · 04-29-2011, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

You continually bashing CCBill could affect my business and everyone else that uses and trusts CCBill.

You think I am on CCBill's payroll? lol sorry you are wrong (again)

Get some help man. The paranoia is going to kill you.

First, Thank You BV for assuming I have the POWER to affect someone else's business. I guess that's a back-handed, reach-around way of complimenting my communication skills, my position in the Industry and my overall awesomeness.

Where's the org laugh icon again?

I really need to point out to you BV that I am not the only Webmaster posting threads questioning odd patterns they see with their cc processors. I am not the only Webmaster who comments in threads about CCBill. Many Webmasters I have communicated with publicly and privately have noticed similar mysterious patterns and have raised similar questions.

But, as you say, I am King of all CCBill businesses and what I say affects every other CCBill program owner. Oh wait, there it is:

04-28-2011, 10:58 AM	#51
JFK FUBAR the ORIGINATOR Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: FUBARLAND Posts: 67,382	Fitty .........Here We Go Again __________________ FUBAR Webmasters - The FUBAR Times - FUBAR Webmasters Mobile - FUBARTV.XXX For promo opps contact jfk at fubarwebmasters dot com

04-28-2011, 11:35 AM	#59
PornoMonster Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,257	Oh I completely forgot. MisterPeabody, someone pointed out that epoch does now do splits. OR On Epoch join pages you can charge a little more?? Nothing has to be the same price, I have ran a lot higher rate on typein traffic join pages. __________________ $6 a Month 4 Blade Razors, 4 Cartridges, Includes shipping! Domains 4 Sale CashForVideos.com - Pussy.biz - FootPorn.com - SoloMovie.com - CollegeGirlCams.com - AmateurCamGirls.com - PR3 4 Letter Domain

04-28-2011, 12:24 PM	#66
barcodes Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 2,040	I just tried it again and it isnt happening, but if its randomly doing that throughout the day it may be cause for your drop in sales. http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/8408/81426076.jpg http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/6210/52828067.jpg http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6282/11981201.jpg http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3449/30858638.jpg you can see from the screenies that each tab is from a different url. Some thumbs i clicked went to a site, most went to this error page, after like two refreshes the error page would go to the site it was supposed to go to but someone prob wont refresh a dead affil link multiple times imo. Best of luck. Last edited by barcodes; 04-28-2011 at 12:32 PM..

04-28-2011, 12:42 PM	#68
Rand Industry Vet Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Santa Monica, CA Posts: 2,663	MisterPeabody, We recently implemented the ability to split payments so we are happy to accommodate you. There is a simple form to fill out and the change will implement for the following payout. Since you have already made this request in the past, your form is already present in EpochStats. Anyone else who would like to split payments should contact your account rep to make the request or write to [email protected]. Have a profitable day. . __________________ -- Rand Payment Industry - Communications - Quality Assurance Last edited by Rand; 04-28-2011 at 12:45 PM.. Reason: clarification

04-28-2011, 02:16 PM	#77
Jakez Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oddfuturewolfgangkillthemall!!!!!!! Posts: 5,656	NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS NATS Your affiliates will thank you. __________________ [email protected] - jakezdumb - 573689400 Killuminati

04-28-2011, 12:05 PM	#62
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,011	I'd like to point out that at relatively lower sales volumes, a merchant account isn't that much cheaper. Once you factor in the extra gateway costs, support costs (you do your own billing support now), and yearly fees for ssl and pci compliance, you aren't really saving that much money, and are creating a lot more work especially for a 1-2 person company. The big third party billers are keeping their rates competitive these days.

04-28-2011, 12:10 PM	#63
barcodes Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 2,040	Hey There, So I was skimming through this and said to myself "Let me see this guys site". Went to mrpeabodysworld and started clicking on your different sites to check them out. When I click on your thumbnails to go to one of your other sites, I randomly get this error: There seems to be an error in processing your request. The information below will help in determining the cause of the error. If you are sure you have done everything correctly and this error persists, please contact [email protected] for further assistance. Internal Error Sometimes after 3 or so refreshes I would get to the site, if I refresh the peabody site and click on the same thumb, someitmes I would get that error page again, sometimes I would get the site. I will post screenies of 4 or 5 I went to that threw this error. I don't know if you are playing with something right now, either way hope its of some use.

04-28-2011, 12:28 PM	#67
barcodes Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 2,040	Sorry Paul, I did not see your request until after I posted

04-28-2011, 05:35 PM	#81
Sausage Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,012	I also have major issues getting a response from CCBill too. Tried to change my address, but it just refuses to go through. Impossible to deal with.

04-28-2011, 06:04 PM	#82
2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 48,553	There is an insane amount of paranoia going on in this thread. Everyone please read this. Just because you get alot of steady traffic does not mean you will get alot of steady sales. And more so, just because you get less sales today than you did yesterday does not mean it has anything to do with the billing company that you use. There are dozens if not hundreds of factors that add up to a purchase. Just a few of these factors might be these: Is the customer interested in buying? Buying Today? Buying right now? Does he have a credit card? Does he have room on his card? Has he made chargebacks in the past? (If so, how many?)? Is his wife around? Is he horny? Is he thinking about enjoying free content on tubes instead of paying for it on yours? Is his computer working well? Is his chair comfortable? Can he afford this? Is he considering clicking an ad for a competitor? Is he lost in pop-up hell? Is he drunk? Stoned? Etc etc etc. Suspecting billing companies especially CCBill and dragging it out into a public arena is ridiculous and makes people who do look amateur when there are so many other things to consider. If you think you're losing sales to scrubs, ask your biller if the scrub level can be adjusted for you. If not, cascade. If the cascading biller creates a new problem for you, find another biller or write some software to help you. ADAPT! If you can't do any of the above, CONTACT YOUR REP at your billing company and talk to him. Trust me it is in their best interest to work with you, not against you. Constructing conspiracy theories and presenting suspicions as if they are facts is not the way to get to the actual root of the problem. __________________ VideoChat Solutions \| Custom Software \| IT Support https://www.2much.net \| https://www.lcntech.com Last edited by 2MuchMark; 04-28-2011 at 06:08 PM..

04-28-2011, 07:48 PM	#87
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,391	You need TMM 4.1 NATS and a cascade!

04-29-2011, 08:35 AM	#94
biskoppen Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Very small penis Posts: 5,809	I'm probably the biggest CCBILL complainer of all times.. well I used to be.. My experience is that when you're only doing like 20-40 sales a day the pattern can from time to time show some no-sales-holes that seem quite strange.. but every single time I tried to make a test sign up - or got someone else to do it.. it worked just fine. And trust me, I've been doing ALOT of these test signups.. I've seen 20 sales in 3 hours and 0 sales in the next 3 hours.. over and over again.. That being said.. when my traffic is up there.. when I buy a shitload of traffic.. I have been pulling everywhere from 200 to 1000 sales a day.. and when you have that number of sales, there are no holes to been seen.. there might be peaks and stuff, but no holes at all. I think this is just how patterns are.. __________________ Submit my videos to make bank, tons of 5 minute videos offered right here

04-29-2011, 02:34 PM	#97
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	MisterPeabody, It really irritates me that every time sales drop off you make a thread calling out CCBill, and in the same thread say that you are not calling them out. (yet you make post after post insinuating that they have something screwed up, scrub turned up, sales capped, etc etc etc.....) If you don't know 100% please quit fucking making these stupid ass threads. Why? because it casts unfair doubt on CCBill and all the other programs that use them. (like me) Now we even have NATS and NetBilling coming in here and bottom feeding in a CCBill thread. Times must be real bad for them to do shit like that. However I am glad they did because I hope you take them up on their offer and move your shit over to them. AND please take SwirlyGirl with you! I doubt CCBill would ever admit it but I bet they have their fingers crossed hoping you do switch and try them out. (my opinion) Once you switch you will see that it's not going to make any difference at all. (my opinion) But good luck anyhow. So you got 4 times the amount of traffic coming in this past week from quote: "3 of the biggest tubes on the planet" and you're wondering why your sales didn't go up 4 times? You say your sites quote: "convert like crazy from tube traffic" lol ok right That's like the oldest cliche in the book dude. "My sites convert like crazy from <insert traffic source here> traffic." Everyone that knows anything knows that nothing "converts like crazy" off of tube traffic. Nothing has "converted like crazy" for years. Anyways I am through busting your balls for now. But when you bust CCBill's balls (which in turn busts every program that uses them balls) I will be here to keep you in check. Peace, BV