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J. Falcon · 05-01-2011, 10:24 AM

Anyone following this knows the US is barely involved. France and UK are leading the charge, backed by NATO. China and Russia are against any direct action.

moeloubani · 05-01-2011, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Anyone following this knows the US is barely involved. France and UK are leading the charge, backed by NATO. China and Russia are against any direct action.

Right because NATO means anything without the US. The US has already said it is using unmanned drones and manned air attacks in Libya. Do some learning Falcon you're slipping!

Brujah · 05-01-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Right because NATO means anything without the US. The US has already said it is using unmanned drones and manned air attacks in Libya. Do some learning Falcon you're slipping!

No one would be much surprised if it was the U.S., but at the very least prove it first. Don't just make shit up. You'd like to have some credibility left wouldn't you?

theking · 05-01-2011, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank21

Its so funny how the total western and international media keeps reporting that only millitary targets will be bombed yet this is the 5th time they execute a targetted strike against Gaddafi.

How can you ever believe anything these guys say if they always lie?

Command and control centers are military targets...thus anywhere that Gadhafi is becomes a command and control center.

Brujah · 05-01-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

You can tell the age of most posters here. I guess they don't remember or know that Gadhafi ran one of the largest state run terror organizations in world in the 80's. He even hosted and funded organizations like the IRA, PLO, Spanish Basque, Red Brigades, and Shining Path etc.

These "real" terrorists went around Europe in the 80's and blew shit up or gunned down innocent people in airports, train stations, hijacked airplanes, blew up airplanes, or kidnapped people for profit.

Fuck this guy, he was given a second chance and pissed it away.

And the Bush family were deeply involved with Hitler and the Nazis. And hey, remember the Cold War? Let's not move on.

Agent 488 · 05-01-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

You can tell the age of most posters here. I guess they don't remember or know that Gadhafi ran one of the largest state run terror organizations in world in the 80's. He even hosted and funded organizations like the IRA, PLO, Spanish Basque, Red Brigades, and Shining Path etc.

These "real" terrorists went around Europe in the 80's and blew shit up or gunned down innocent people in airports, train stations, hijacked airplanes, blew up airplanes, or kidnapped people for profit.

Fuck this guy, he was given a second chance and pissed it away.

yeah it's odd. do people think that he hasn't been in the crosshairs of the western powers for decades? it was just made up lately?

the uprising finally gave them the perfect opportunity to get rid of him.

Robbie · 05-01-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

yeah it's odd. do people think that he hasn't been in the crosshairs of the western powers for decades? it was just made up lately?

the uprising finally gave them the perfect opportunity to get rid of him.

He just recently acknowledged the acts of terror he did 30 years ago. Then paid out millions to the families affected and renounced terrorism. He then allowed the nuclear agencies in to inspect and shut down his countries nuclear weapons program.

He was then taken off the terrorist list by the State Dept. and became our "buddy".

I think he just happens to be a victim of the times. The Arab "Spring" looked real good a few months ago and I think the U.S. govt. was hoping that young people would rise up in Iraq just like they did in Egypt and other Muslim countries there.

So when a few thousand Libyans saw this as a win/win grab for power and went for it...our govt. figured we should back them in hopes it would encourage people in other countries to overthrow their govt. like Egypt did.

Unfortunately...Gaddafi is backed by the majority of his citizens and nearly all the tribes (the culture there is much different than ours).

We were told that this would all be over in a few days. It isn't. And who knows if it will even if Gaddafi is killed?

Bottom line is it's none of our business. And we have zero rights to be interfering in their country.

Even if we weren't bankrupt...we have NO business there. It's not our country.

It would be like Glenn Beck having that big rally in Washington, and Russia deciding that he needed "help" and started bombing the White House. lol
And yes, I know that Beck didn't pick up guns and start attacking...but I'm just saying...even if he did we wouldn't want another country coming in to "help" him overthrow our govt.

Agent 488 · 05-01-2011, 11:03 AM

gadaffi intervened in the affairs of other countries for years and now it's come back to him in a big way. in this case, karma is a bitch.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

He just recently acknowledged the acts of terror he did 30 years ago. Then paid out millions to the families affected and renounced terrorism. He then allowed the nuclear agencies in to inspect and shut down his countries nuclear weapons program.

He was then taken off the terrorist list by the State Dept. and became our "buddy".

I think he just happens to be a victim of the times. The Arab "Spring" looked real good a few months ago and I think the U.S. govt. was hoping that young people would rise up in Iraq just like they did in Egypt and other Muslim countries there.

So when a few thousand Libyans saw this as a win/win grab for power and went for it...our govt. figured we should back them in hopes it would encourage people in other countries to overthrow their govt. like Egypt did.

Unfortunately...Gaddafi is backed by the majority of his citizens and nearly all the tribes (the culture there is much different than ours).

We were told that this would all be over in a few days. It isn't. And who knows if it will even if Gaddafi is killed?

Bottom line is it's none of our business. And we have zero rights to be interfering in their country.

Even if we weren't bankrupt...we have NO business there. It's not our country.

It would be like Glenn Beck having that big rally in Washington, and Russia deciding that he needed "help" and started bombing the White House. lol
And yes, I know that Beck didn't pick up guns and start attacking...but I'm just saying...even if he did we wouldn't want another country coming in to "help" him overthrow our govt.

Brujah · 05-01-2011, 11:04 AM

Let's not forget it was the Libyans who were after Doc Brown.

SomeCreep · 05-01-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Gadhafi's son and 3 grandchildren killed by NATO bombing. Will he quit or are things about to get worse?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_libya

To a normal person, that would be a sad event, but not to Gadhafi. All he cares about is his power.

theking · 05-01-2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

He just recently acknowledged the acts of terror he did 30 years ago. Then paid out millions to the families affected and renounced terrorism. He then allowed the nuclear agencies in to inspect and shut down his countries nuclear weapons program.

He was then taken off the terrorist list by the State Dept. and became our "buddy".

I think he just happens to be a victim of the times. The Arab "Spring" looked real good a few months ago and I think the U.S. govt. was hoping that young people would rise up in Iraq just like they did in Egypt and other Muslim countries there.

So when a few thousand Libyans saw this as a win/win grab for power and went for it...our govt. figured we should back them in hopes it would encourage people in other countries to overthrow their govt. like Egypt did.

Unfortunately...Gaddafi is backed by the majority of his citizens and nearly all the tribes (the culture there is much different than ours).

We were told that this would all be over in a few days. It isn't. And who knows if it will even if Gaddafi is killed?

Bottom line is it's none of our business. And we have zero rights to be interfering in their country.

Even if we weren't bankrupt...we have NO business there. It's not our country.

It would be like Glenn Beck having that big rally in Washington, and Russia deciding that he needed "help" and started bombing the White House. lol
And yes, I know that Beck didn't pick up guns and start attacking...but I'm just saying...even if he did we wouldn't want another country coming in to "help" him overthrow our govt.

The action is Libya was mandated by the UN and NATO and the U.S. is a member of both organizations...thus we have an obligation to be involved.

Robbie · 05-01-2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

The action is Libya was mandated by the UN and NATO and the U.S. is a member of both organizations...thus we have an obligation to be involved.

If it's our obligation...then why are only FIVE NATO alliance countries involved? If it's an obligation then why aren't all 28 countries involved?

And isn't it crazy...NATO was supposed to be an alliance of countries that will defend each other if one is attacked...and here it is DOING the attacking?

I'd like to see our military brought home from the more than 80 countries that we currently occupy. Japan? Germany? WWII has been over for more than 60 years. I think it's safe to bring our troops home from those two countries at least.

J. Falcon · 05-01-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Let's not forget it was the Libyans who were after Doc Brown.

Haha I remember that!

theking · 05-01-2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

If it's our obligation...then why are only FIVE NATO alliance countries involved? If it's an obligation then why aren't all 28 countries involved?

And isn't it crazy...NATO was supposed to be an alliance of countries that will defend each other if one is attacked...and here it is DOING the attacking?

I'd like to see our military brought home from the more than 80 countries that we currently occupy. Japan? Germany? WWII has been over for more than 60 years. I think it's safe to bring our troops home from those two countries at least.

If the NATO countries involved are not enough to get the job done...I am satisfied more will be called upon.

Having troops and forward bases deployed around the world is what has made the U.S. the only military superpower on the earth...but of course one can argue that one does not want to be a citizen of a superpower.

moeloubani · 05-01-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

You can't reason with people because their opinion is completely slanted. We've been through this before when Slobodan Milosevic was slaughtering thousands of Muslims back in the early 90's. The American public stepped up and told Clinton, hey this is none of our business so let's stay the fuck out. We complied with our UN duties and put peace keepers on the ground.

Was that good enough for the Euro's? ...no they called a meeting with Tony Blare who then flew to Washington and cried and begged congress for a larger US military roll. The US then sent in planes and bombed the fuck out of them and captured Milosevic and peace was restored.

Did the Muslim community thank us? ...That's a big NO. Did the UN/Europe match our military spending or pay us back because we stopped a genocide that was hurting their trade in Europe? ...That's a big NO.

So fuck'em all and let then cry because we Americans are fucked if we do, and fucked if we don't. WTS, it's actually comical to watch the Europeans try to resolve a problem with a military action.

But not nearly as funny as Gaddafi crying about his kids getting blown up as his little pussy bully ass wants to call a timeout. Typical Muslim behavior.

Yes, crying about your children when they get killed is such a pussy move.

You mention that Libya funded terrorist organizations like the IRA and PLO but the United States currently funds terrorist states like Israel. Does that mean it is the duty of every other country on Earth to bomb the US and kill their presidents? Even past president's children are fair game according to you. And in fact, you supporting that kind of terrorism means anyone can come up to you, murder your children, and you will be okay with it because you will see the justification for it that YOU YOURSELF laid out. Well done. Come on don't be so naive and stupid.

Don't forget what all started this. It wasn't the crying of any Arabs or Muslims. It was the crying of the Americans after 9/11 and the whole 'we need to kill ANYONE' mentality that your country took on. And now you have guys like Gaddafi who run a full army, are fighting on the ground being called a pussy by Americans who won't even step foot on Libya because they are too scared. Keep using your unmanned drones and attacking from 100s of miles away to kill little kids but don't for a second think that everyone in the world doesn't see that kind of BS as the most bullshit, disgusting PUSSY cowardly behaviour there is.

Robbie · 05-01-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

If the NATO countries involved are not enough to get the job done...I am satisfied more will be called upon.

Having troops and forward bases deployed around the world is what has made the U.S. the only military superpower on the earth...but of course one can argue that one does not want to be a citizen of a superpower.

No, I just look at the money we are wasting and the fact that we do not belong in other countries.

And just saying that we only need five to get the job done is not what you said earlier that it was our "obligation" as a member of NATO. Obviously it is not. We are doing it because we want to.

I'm very uneasy about all of this and have been since the Vietnam War which was also an illegal war. We haven't been in a "real" constitutionally legal war since WWII
But we've sure as hell fought and killed a lot of people in a lot of places.

I know that we are a "good" people in the United States. But our govt.? They are, and always have been a conniving power hungry group of men. And I don't think we should have people being killed all over the world so we can all feel good by saying we are a SuperPower.

Bin Laden apparently didn't get that memo and all of our SuperPower military can't find him after all these years. But we've had more of our people killed invading countries than he killed on 9-11.

If we're "Winning", it's more of a Charlie Sheen "win" than a real one. I'm of the opinion that we are creating more terrorists around the world everytime we do shit like this.

We should have stayed out of Libya's internal affairs.

IF we had stayed out...there's a good possibility that Gaddafi would have done something stupid like a massacre...then the people really might have risen up against him. A few hundred people MIGHT have been killed. That's the price you pay when you try to overthrow a govt.

But now? We've armed a bunch of "rebels", and bombed the hell out of the country. How many TRUE innocent civilians are now being killed? And no...I'm not talking about what the news media tries to perpetuate: According to CNN, it seems that EVERY rebel with a gun shooting that gets killed is an "innocent civilian". lol

Barry-xlovecam · 05-01-2011, 11:54 AM

Qaddafi forgot to bring his "human shield" ....

Agent 488 · 05-01-2011, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

You can't reason with people because their opinion is completely slanted. We've been through this before when Slobodan Milosevic was slaughtering thousands of Muslims back in the early 90's. The American public stepped up and told Clinton, hey this is none of our business so let's stay the fuck out. We complied with our UN duties and put peace keepers on the ground.

Was that good enough for the Euro's? ...no they called a meeting with Tony Blare who then flew to Washington and cried and begged congress for a larger US military roll. The US then sent in planes and bombed the fuck out of them and captured Milosevic and peace was restored.

Did the Muslim community thank us? ...That's a big NO. Did the UN/Europe match our military spending or pay us back because we stopped a genocide that was hurting their trade in Europe? ...That's a big NO.

So fuck'em all and let then cry because we Americans are fucked if we do, and fucked if we don't. WTS, it's actually comical to watch the Europeans try to resolve a problem with a military action.

But not nearly as funny as Gaddafi crying about his kids getting blown up as his little pussy bully ass wants to call a timeout. Typical Muslim behavior.

tis true. a lot of the wikileaks cables have countries from all sides begging for us intervention and money. they are the world police, and sometimes the world citizens call them in to break shit up.

halfpint · 05-01-2011, 12:12 PM

In the mean time the UK expels the Libyan ambassador because our goverment are outraged that they burned our embassy down...and of course thats against the rules "The Vienna Convention requires the Gaddafi regime to protect diplomatic missions in Tripoli."

What a fucking joke.. Im sure the Libyan people really want our embassy in thier country with pompus Uk idiot foreign ministers walking around while we are bombing the shit out of thier country The goverment of the UK are one big fucking hypocritical joke

moeloubani · 05-01-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Jesus Christ you argue like a chick who needs to change her tampon. Gadhafi's crying to the public because his kids were blown up? What about the innocent kids his terror organization killed on Pan Am Flight 103? Where was his sympathy then? The point, he should shut his fucking mouth and take it like a man instead of crying to the public to generate sympathy. It just proves how truly desperate and hypocritical he is.

Typical Muslim behavior. You first act like you got a pair of huge balls, but then when you get your ass handed to you, cry like a bitch that the rules aren't fair. Fuck him and all like him need to be extinguished off the planet. The world would be a much better place.

LOL What? Wait so you're saying who acts big and then cries when something happens?

Muslims are getting killed by the hundreds every day and you don't hear them saying a thing about it. One attack on 9/11 sent you American pussies into hysteria.

Just proves you DUMB and naive some people like YOU are.

I guess you're all for raping the kids of rapists then right? They should have thought of that before they raped, right? Man I feel sorry for ignorant idiots like you, if I ran the world people like you would be castrated and any kids that you have now would be removed from your custody IMMEDIATELY.

Are you giving a green light then for Iran to attack the US since the US bombed an Iranian flight? You can't be for one thing and against another, and it's LOSERS like you who talk the talk and can't walk the walk. You say this and that about Gaddaffi but I guarantee you that Gaddaffi has more sense and sanity in his pinky finger than you do in your entire FAMILY. Especially your MOM and DAD who were obviously giant losers and failures to raise a loser like you. What a mess you are!

You're probably still mad about the abolishment of slavery, aren't you? What a fucking LOSER!!

theking · 05-01-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

No, I just look at the money we are wasting and the fact that we do not belong in other countries.

And just saying that we only need five to get the job done is not what you said earlier that it was our "obligation" as a member of NATO. Obviously it is not. We are doing it because we want to.

I'm very uneasy about all of this and have been since the Vietnam War which was also an illegal war. We haven't been in a "real" constitutionally legal war since WWII
But we've sure as hell fought and killed a lot of people in a lot of places.

I know that we are a "good" people in the United States. But our govt.? They are, and always have been a conniving power hungry group of men. And I don't think we should have people being killed all over the world so we can all feel good by saying we are a SuperPower.

Bin Laden apparently didn't get that memo and all of our SuperPower military can't find him after all these years. But we've had more of our people killed invading countries than he killed on 9-11.

If we're "Winning", it's more of a Charlie Sheen "win" than a real one. I'm of the opinion that we are creating more terrorists around the world everytime we do shit like this.

We should have stayed out of Libya's internal affairs.

IF we had stayed out...there's a good possibility that Gaddafi would have done something stupid like a massacre...then the people really might have risen up against him. A few hundred people MIGHT have been killed. That's the price you pay when you try to overthrow a govt.

But now? We've armed a bunch of "rebels", and bombed the hell out of the country. How many TRUE innocent civilians are now being killed? And no...I'm not talking about what the news media tries to perpetuate: According to CNN, it seems that EVERY rebel with a gun shooting that gets killed is an "innocent civilian". lol

It is our obligation when called upon by NATO...with the backing of a UN mandate...but I am satisfied that we easily agreed if not instigated the involvement of NATO...and we of course backed the UN resolution...if not instigated the resolution.

It is our geo positioning of our military power that has helped to make us the largest economic power on the earth...but of course our economic power is on the decline now...and ultimately will reduce our military power.

While Congress alone has the authority to declare War...the President has the authority to engage our military where ever and when ever he sees fit to do so...with or without the permission of Congress...for a ninety day period...and then if Congress does not give him permission to continue the engagement they have the power to cut off the funding for the engagement.

One of the problems that the U.S. has is the civilian micro management of the military action when our troops are engaged. Since the end of the Second World War none of our military engagements should have lasted any longer than six months max. Not Korea...not Vietnam...not Iraq and not Afghanistan.

The policy of occupying and nation building/rebuilding is what extends the cost of the military action and is what extends the loss of life on all sides.

It appears that our civilian leaders are going to be forced to learn how to engage our military the hard way by not having the money to be involved in these long drawn out engagements that are not necessary.

Robbie · 05-01-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Since the end of the Second World War none of our military engagements should have lasted any longer than six months max. Not Korea...not Vietnam...not Iraq and not Afghanistan.

The policy of occupying and nation building/rebuilding is what extends the cost of the military action and is what extends the loss of life on all sides.

It appears that our civilian leaders are going to be forced to learn how to engage our military the hard way by not having the money to be involved in these long drawn out engagements that are not necessary.

I agree there. IF we go to war it should be balls out. Then declare victory and get the hell out. Leave the threat behind that if you fuck with us again...we will come back.
That is what we should have done in Afghanistan (even though we should never have invaded an entire country over the actions of a few crazy people)

halfpint · 05-01-2011, 12:29 PM

Death of Saif Al-Arab Gaddafi may backfire for Nato

The death of Saif al-Arab Gaddafi, if confirmed, is likely to have come as a consequence of Nato's increasingly aggressive tactics, undertaken by the alliance to shake up a stalemate in the conflict.

But his killing in an air strike is a grievous strategic error - militarily insignificant but diplomatically disastrous.

Towards the end of April, Nato states made a number of operational innovations. Three member states - Britain, France, and Italy - injected military advisers into rebel-held eastern Libya. Another, the US, began continuous patrols of armed drones.

Third, and most important, air strikes began to target command, control, communications and intelligence networks (known, in military parlance, as C3I). The Bab al-Aziziya compound includes all three such networks, and it was presumed that their disruption would disorient regime soldiers on the front line, cut off field commanders from Tripoli, and sow confusion in the ranks.

But was the strike also an assassination attempt?

Assassination of a head of state is illegal under international law, and forbidden by various US presidential orders. On the other hand, the targeted killing of those woven into the enemy chain of command is shrouded in legal ambiguity.

More here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13252192

This could spell some trouble

Shifting balance

The problem is that the direction of this effect is unclear. The dramatic visual impact of this air strike, and the death of those disconnected from political and military leadership, will harden the diplomatic opposition to the war, from Russia and China amongst others.

More consequentially, it will anger the alliance's warier members, like Germany and Turkey, and inflame parts of Arab and African public opinion.

It may eventually leave Britain and France bearing the military burden alone, with modest but limited assistance from a cagey US administration eager to keep at arm's length from this European war.

moeloubani · 05-01-2011, 12:32 PM

Oh don't pretend like a UN agreement or NATO agreement means ANYTHING to the United States.

Shut the fuck up theking you never knew your shit about this stuff in the first place.

Go read or something before you keep making a fool of yourself.

The US invaded Iraq illegally according to the UN charter. Did the US care? No.

So why would they HAVE TO do anything now according to that same charter? Don't be a fucking dummy theking, learn from history. You are so ignorant to things that happen every day that I'm surprised you even made it to the internet.

Then again, you have shown yourself to be mentally unstable by faking your own death here on this board. So am I really that surprised? No. Do I wish you would stop pretending like you know your shit when it comes to US foreign policy? YES!

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-01-2011, 12:40 PM

If the USA really lead this whole thing in Libya it would be over by now.
Ghadafi would certainly be dead and his whole family and if not that they would be holed up in a cave, or some self dug hole in the ground and utterly powerless.
If you went to MSNBC and saw the Photo of Ghadafi's house you would have noticed unexploded ordinance in his living room. Literally.

Face it...
Europe does not know how to fight wars, and they even go so far as to think there is honor in it while ascribing silly laws like you can't kill the leadership.

Bullshit.
I guess if NATO wants Libya takin care of they going to have to pay America to do it for them.
Frankly... Americans can give two shits about Libya. It's not our war.

moeloubani · 05-01-2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Shut the fuck up and stay on topic. You just proved all I said. A typical Muslim who can't stay focused on a subject (because I'm right) and now has to slant that I am a child rapist and kids should not be in my custody? I think you can be banned for saying that here.

Anyway, most Muslim are still savages that are stuck in the 9th century and can not let go of their barbaric customs and culture and join the rest of the world. AND you call me an ignorant idiot?

First of all I am not a Muslim.

Second of all, anyone who is racist and as bigoted as you should NOT have children in their custody. I think everyone can agree with me on that one.

Did I say you were a child rapist? No. Maybe you should learn to read too, dummy. However you use racial slurs a plenty, which IS cause for a banning. Will I ask to have you banned? Of course not! You make me look so good and it is so damn easy to come back at your senseless garbage. I'll keep you around and play with you as long as I can. You are now my little bitch toy.

Most Muslims are still savages? Isn't that what slave owners called slaves?

What a shame there are still people like you around today. I'm sure your grandparents would be happy, you know, the same grandparents that were all for slavery and thought black people were all savages?

How upset they would be with you right now if they knew your leader and President was a black 'savage'.

halfpint · 05-01-2011, 12:42 PM

here you go check this out

Libya: Where do Nato countries stand?

Just 15 of Nato's 28 member states, plus three partner countries - Qatar, Sweden and the United Arab Emirates - are contributing in some way to the military operation in Libya. So, what is each country's position? Explore the graphic and table below to find out more.
Nato's divisions
1 = more force, 5 = less force

1.
1
Would escalate military action
* UK
* France
2.
2
Conducting airstrikes
* US
* Canada
* Belgium
* Norway
* Denmark
3.
3
Reconnaissance missions only
* Italy
* Spain
* Netherlands
4.
4
Offering some military support
* Albania
* Bulgaria
* Greece
* Romania
* Turkey
5.
5
No military support
* Croatia
* Czech Rep
* Estonia
* Germany
* Hungary
* Iceland
* Latvia
* Lithuania
* Luxembourg
* Poland
* Portugal
* Slovakia
* Slovenia

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13092451

CaptainHowdy · 05-01-2011, 12:44 PM

Someone should bomb this mess of a thread before it gets worse ...

dyna mo · 05-01-2011, 12:45 PM

a senator was on the news this morning claiming ghadafi is NOT the legitimate ruler of libya, therefore, he can (and should) be targeted.

Ron Bennett · 05-01-2011, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

The US doesn't get it's oil from Libya. Libya produces only two percent of the world's oil, nearly all of which goes to.... Europe.

The US gets most of it's oil from Canada and Mexico.

That's correct.

Figured someone would reply as you did ... when it comes to protecting resources, one needs to consider the larger picture...

Libya is the excuse by which the U.S. can keep a powerful presence in that part of the world to ensure a steady supply of resources to the global power-elite (including many other places in addition to the U.S., such as China)...

Consider Iraq - it was never about their supply of oil per se (most of it never gets to the U.S.), but rather who would control it - and to further ensure that other oil producing nations toed the line and didn't cut out the U.S., such as, for example, by denominating oil in some other currency that's less favorable.

Ron

halfpint · 05-01-2011, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

If the USA really lead this whole thing in Libya it would be over by now.
Ghadafi would certainly be dead and his whole family and if not that they would be holed up in a cave, or some self dug hole in the ground and utterly powerless.
If you went to MSNBC and saw the Photo of Ghadafi's house you would have noticed unexploded ordinance in his living room. Literally.

Face it...
Europe does not know how to fight wars, and they even go so far as to think there is honor in it while ascribing silly laws like you can't kill the leadership.

Bullshit.

LOL I dont think it would have been over even if it was lead by the US and that silly law is an international law. Not a European law.

Assassination of a head of state is illegal under international law, and forbidden by various US presidential orders.

theking · 05-01-2011, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

a senator was on the news this morning claiming ghadafi is NOT the legitimate ruler of libya, therefore, he can (and should) be targeted.

Senator Grahm?

moeloubani · 05-01-2011, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

a senator was on the news this morning claiming ghadafi is NOT the legitimate ruler of libya, therefore, he can (and should) be targeted.

Yeah but if a Libyan government official came out and said during Bush's first term that Bush was not the legitimate ruler of the US does it mean he now has the right (and should) kill him?

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-01-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

LOL I dont think it would have been over even if it was lead by the US and that silly law is an international law. Not a European law.

Assassination of a head of state is illegal under international law, and forbidden by various US presidential orders.

You are right. It's better to over throw the leadership and hand them over to the people they lead. Then we get cool Youtube Hanging video's, or eerie footage of a funny guy peeking out of a cave.

Whats the difference. The leadership still ends up dead.

halfpint · 05-01-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

You are right. It's better to over throw the leadership and hand them over to the people they lead. Then we get cool Youtube Hanging video's, or eerie footage of a funny guy peeking out of a cave.

Whats the difference. The leadership still ends up dead.

"Then we get cool Youtube Hanging video's, or eerie footage of a funny guy peeking out of a cave."

That made me LOL

pornmasta · 05-01-2011, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

Unexploded ordinance inside the house...
Let me guess... French Bomb and Pilot.

NATO=IDIOTS

lol
8char

dyna mo · 05-01-2011, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Senator Grahm?

i believe so, one of the south carolina senators.

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Yeah but if a Libyan government official came out and said during Bush's first term that Bush was not the legitimate ruler of the US does it mean he now has the right (and should) kill him?

ftr, i am completely appalled by our need to kill people abroad.

regardless of ghadafi being a despot, the deaths of his grandchildren via a bomb is beyond acceptable to me and i have a real hard time saying that here.

moeloubani · 05-01-2011, 12:57 PM

It's easy to say things like theking who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

'We should just go in and kill everyone then just leave, fuck rebuilding.'

So what you want to do is oppress people through your military, making sure they are never able to rebuild and get revenge by continuous bombing?

Do you know what would happen if you just went and bombed a country then left them in shambles? You better hope they NEVER come back because if they do eventually YOU will be their target. So what can you do? Just keep making sure they are weak by continuously bombing and oppressing them?

What the US needs to do is stop being such a greedy nation and understand that not having control of all resources is more a call to better innovation than a call to arms. At one point the US was the capital of all technology in the world. Now? The capital of all things bad. It's up to good Americans like Robbie that understand that killing isn't just what you do as a first or second resort. It is a last resort to be used only in defending yourself and never to push your ideals or beliefs on someone.

pornmasta · 05-01-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

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Would escalate military action
* UK
* France

Yes, there is an election in france next year and Sarkozy needs to look strong.
Unfortunately i think we don't have enough missiles (it is expensive).

I really think that Sarkozy is handling this problem the wrong way.

dyna mo · 05-01-2011, 01:00 PM

let's not forget, this is NOT a u.s. motivated event. obama did not even reveal that we would be a part of the coalition until after the initial nato attack.

u.s. is a part of the west in this.

halfpint · 05-01-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

Yes, there is an election in france next year and Sarkozy needs to look strong.
Unfortunately i think we don't have enough missiles (it is expensive).

I really think that Sarkozy is handling this problem the wrong way.

Yep I aggree both the UK and France are making one big clusterfuck out of this. Damm we cant even afford to equip our army properly ..whats left of it any way

moeloubani · 05-01-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Look at you crying like a bitch. You ignorant tool my ethnicity is Irish who came over during the civil war. WTS, you've mentioned more then a few times on this board you have Palestinian roots. You also mentioned child rapist for no apparent reason and then said children should not be in my custody. You can't stay focused or on topic because all you do is come into an American porn forum puking hate for Americans as you try to earn American dollars. You're own posts prove several times you can't stand Americans as you feed your own family from the dollars you make.

How does that feel you are earning money and feeding and supporting your family off the American money you're making? ..... you're such a hypocrite tool it's amazing.

Palestinian doesn't mean Muslim. Maybe if you weren't so ignorant you would know that but after all you are you.

Yes I did mention those words, and you mentioned child rapists as well and also said children should not be in my custody. See how when you take something out of context it can be used any way you want? Go read my words and quote them in context if you want to criticise them, don't be a bitch and pretend like you got me saying something that I didn't.

Why are you so mad that you turned the whole thing against me?

I have nothing against the average American and in fact I think Americans stand for a lot of things (or at least USED TO) that are exactly in line with what I believe. Freedom is what Americans are all about and I like that.

But your government and SOME Americans (like you) are fucking idiots. You for some reason or another think that because you're American everyone else is a subclass non-human. As you said yourself, you think that groups of people around the world are 'savages' just because you think you're better somehow as an American. How disgusting. How pitiful. How stupid.

Go get educated, drop your bullshit attitude and you might realize one day in your life what it is like to be happy.

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-01-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

let's not forget, this is NOT a u.s. motivated event. obama did not even reveal that we would be a part of the coalition until after the initial nato attack.

u.s. is a part of the west in this.

You are right, Obama and the USA gave NATO a "3 day free trial" for the opener.
Ever since after it's been a laughing stock made worse by NATO Leadership.

theking · 05-01-2011, 01:13 PM

Personally I think that any time Muslims are killing Muslims we should not involve ourselves...because that is a good thing.

moeloubani · 05-01-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Still crying? What does child rapist or kids in my custody have to do with anything in this topic of thread? ...the answer is nothing. Also, you're American everyone else is a subclass non-human - when Muslims stone people to death, cut off each others limbs for simple theft, beat/kill women for not wearing a burka, and blow themselves up for Allah what do you expect? - savages

So let's go over this again so your racist rants could have some meaning. Is it a shame that Gaddafi's kids were blown up?.... yes, it was as it was a shame Gaddafi blew up innocent kids on the Pan Am flight 103. SO FUCK HIM because he'll get no empathy from me.

The US started a war for God, the Iraq war. Are you really that naive and uninformed or are you just joking?

People are killed every day in the US for simple theft. People are also beat up if they wear the wrong thing every day in the US. And Americans ROUTINELY kill in the name of God. Does that mean Americans are savages? NO.

So let's go over this again. You said I made a racist rant even though I made no such rant. You said you are okay with Gaddafi's kids being blown up, so you are also okay with American children being blown up by Iran because of the US blowing up an Iranian flight? You think that Muslims are all 'savages' just as slave traders thought that black people were 'savages'?

You suck at reading, your logic is horrible and your morals and ethics are those of a murdering racist.

I ask you this though: does it bug you that time and time again, you make a post thinking it was a great post then I come along and show you just how stupid you are? Please answer my question, does it bother you just how much smarter than you I am? Don't you hate being proven wrong time and time again and your true identity exposed as a racist, murderous and bigoted fool while I come across as the humanitarian decrying murder? Does that bug you that someone can have everything figured out like I do and then come across someone like you who thinks they are something only to find out they are easily crushed and made a little toy to play with? Are you in awe at how well spoken I am and how my logic is bullet proof?

femdomdestiny · 05-01-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

You can't reason with people because their opinion is completely slanted. We've been through this before when Slobodan Milosevic was slaughtering thousands of Muslims back in the early 90's. The American public stepped up and told Clinton, hey this is none of our business so let's stay the fuck out. We complied with our UN duties and put peace keepers on the ground.

Was that good enough for the Euro's? ...no they called a meeting with Tony Blare who then flew to Washington and cried and begged congress for a larger US military roll. The US then sent in planes and bombed the fuck out of them and captured Milosevic and peace was restored.

Did the Muslim community thank us? ...That's a big NO. Did the UN/Europe match our military spending or pay us back because we stopped a genocide that was hurting their trade in Europe? ...That's a big NO.

So fuck'em all and let then cry because we Americans are fucked if we do, and fucked if we don't. WTS, it's actually comical to watch the Europeans try to resolve a problem with a military action.

But not nearly as funny as Gaddafi crying about his kids getting blown up as his little pussy bully ass wants to call a timeout. Typical Muslim behavior.

As usually, you are talking about things happening hundreds of miles from your home. No , Slobodan Milosevic wasn't killing muslims in 1990's,and also you should know that Gadaffi always supported him. And when we are talking about poor muslims, few videos will explain much more then words , for example : https://youtube.com/watch?v=03DQJ7skClg

dynastoned · 05-01-2011, 04:05 PM

our government just does what the fuck it wants these days. doesn't ask anyone just moves in and starts bombing. it's getting pretty fucking pathetic and nobody seems to give a fuck.

they use this UN/NATO bullshit as a cover and it gives them free reign to do whatever they like.

CDSmith · 05-01-2011, 04:22 PM

I'll say this much: If you pull the kind of shit that Gadhafi has pulled in the last 40 years, give the orders he's given to have his own people and others killed, directed his troops to open fire on unarmed protestors, opressed his own people, supported terrosm, etc etc, then I'd say you probably have zero right to complain, bitch, or otherwise cry foul when the world hits back and a few of your loved ones around you get shmushed.

He's got no one else to blame but himself here. Had he been a benevelant, even-handed leader, he wouldn't be in the predicament he's in and his family members would still be alive.

Sorry to those who disagree, but zero sympathy here.

Robbie · 05-01-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

If you pull the kind of shit that Gadhafi has pulled in the last 40 years, give the orders he's given to have his own people and others killed, directed his troops to open fire on unarmed protestors, opressed his own people, supported terrosm, etc etc, then I'd say you probably have zero right to complain, bitch, or otherwise cry foul when the world hits back and a few of your loved ones around you get shmushed..

Damn...you just stated what our own govt. here in the United States has done at one time or another over the last 40 years too.

I guess we need NATO to come bomb us...

moeloubani · 05-01-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

First of all shut the fuck up because you're a idiot that when gets backed into a corner changes the subject like a bitch on her period in need of an attitude adjustment slap, but sadly you'd probably want that. Now focus and understand, like you Gaddafi is a piece of shit because he sponsored terrorism that killed innocent people and children. So, if the UN bombs his kids into oblivion and you expect me to feel bad about it? FUCK YOU. Because I personally couldn't careless if they slaughtered all those savages because that's what they are.

You now have permission to continue crying like a bitch. Have at it.

Somebody is annnnngryy!!!

Anyone who says it is okay to kill a child is a 'savage'.

Is it because I'm better than you and you can't do anything about it that you turn so hostile?

Read my posts and read yours and YOU tell me who sounds like they are crying.

Relax bro it's just a forum and you are getting soooooooooooooooooooo angry!

And you didn't answer my question man: does it bug you that time and time again, you make a post thinking it was a great post then I come along and show you just how stupid you are? Please answer my question, does it bother you just how much smarter than you I am? Don't you hate being proven wrong time and time again and your true identity exposed as a racist, murderous and bigoted fool while I come across as the humanitarian decrying murder? Does that bug you that someone can have everything figured out like I do and then come across someone like you who thinks they are something only to find out they are easily crushed and made a little toy to play with? Are you in awe at how well spoken I am and how my logic is bullet proof?

What's wrong man, your rage and anger just doesn't let you finish things??

05-01-2011, 10:24 AM	#51
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05-01-2011, 12:29 PM	#73
halfpint GFY's Halfpint Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 15,223	Death of Saif Al-Arab Gaddafi may backfire for Nato The death of Saif al-Arab Gaddafi, if confirmed, is likely to have come as a consequence of Nato's increasingly aggressive tactics, undertaken by the alliance to shake up a stalemate in the conflict. But his killing in an air strike is a grievous strategic error - militarily insignificant but diplomatically disastrous. Towards the end of April, Nato states made a number of operational innovations. Three member states - Britain, France, and Italy - injected military advisers into rebel-held eastern Libya. Another, the US, began continuous patrols of armed drones. Third, and most important, air strikes began to target command, control, communications and intelligence networks (known, in military parlance, as C3I). The Bab al-Aziziya compound includes all three such networks, and it was presumed that their disruption would disorient regime soldiers on the front line, cut off field commanders from Tripoli, and sow confusion in the ranks. But was the strike also an assassination attempt? Assassination of a head of state is illegal under international law, and forbidden by various US presidential orders. On the other hand, the targeted killing of those woven into the enemy chain of command is shrouded in legal ambiguity. More here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13252192 This could spell some trouble Shifting balance The problem is that the direction of this effect is unclear. The dramatic visual impact of this air strike, and the death of those disconnected from political and military leadership, will harden the diplomatic opposition to the war, from Russia and China amongst others. More consequentially, it will anger the alliance's warier members, like Germany and Turkey, and inflame parts of Arab and African public opinion. It may eventually leave Britain and France bearing the military burden alone, with modest but limited assistance from a cagey US administration eager to keep at arm's length from this European war. __________________ Get FREE website listings on Cryptocoinshops.net Last edited by halfpint; 05-01-2011 at 12:37 PM..

05-01-2011, 12:40 PM	#75
ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,241	If the USA really lead this whole thing in Libya it would be over by now. Ghadafi would certainly be dead and his whole family and if not that they would be holed up in a cave, or some self dug hole in the ground and utterly powerless. If you went to MSNBC and saw the Photo of Ghadafi's house you would have noticed unexploded ordinance in his living room. Literally. Face it... Europe does not know how to fight wars, and they even go so far as to think there is honor in it while ascribing silly laws like you can't kill the leadership. Bullshit. I guess if NATO wants Libya takin care of they going to have to pay America to do it for them. Frankly... Americans can give two shits about Libya. It's not our war. Last edited by ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE; 05-01-2011 at 12:43 PM..

05-01-2011, 11:54 AM	#67
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05-01-2011, 12:32 PM	#74
moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	Oh don't pretend like a UN agreement or NATO agreement means ANYTHING to the United States. Shut the fuck up theking you never knew your shit about this stuff in the first place. Go read or something before you keep making a fool of yourself. The US invaded Iraq illegally according to the UN charter. Did the US care? No. So why would they HAVE TO do anything now according to that same charter? Don't be a fucking dummy theking, learn from history. You are so ignorant to things that happen every day that I'm surprised you even made it to the internet. Then again, you have shown yourself to be mentally unstable by faking your own death here on this board. So am I really that surprised? No. Do I wish you would stop pretending like you know your shit when it comes to US foreign policy? YES!

05-01-2011, 12:42 PM	#77
halfpint GFY's Halfpint Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 15,223	here you go check this out Libya: Where do Nato countries stand? Just 15 of Nato's 28 member states, plus three partner countries - Qatar, Sweden and the United Arab Emirates - are contributing in some way to the military operation in Libya. So, what is each country's position? Explore the graphic and table below to find out more. Nato's divisions 1 = more force, 5 = less force 1. 1 Would escalate military action * UK * France 2. 2 Conducting airstrikes * US * Canada * Belgium * Norway * Denmark 3. 3 Reconnaissance missions only * Italy * Spain * Netherlands 4. 4 Offering some military support * Albania * Bulgaria * Greece * Romania * Turkey 5. 5 No military support * Croatia * Czech Rep * Estonia * Germany * Hungary * Iceland * Latvia * Lithuania * Luxembourg * Poland * Portugal * Slovakia * Slovenia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13092451 __________________ Get FREE website listings on Cryptocoinshops.net

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05-01-2011, 12:45 PM	#79
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,914	a senator was on the news this morning claiming ghadafi is NOT the legitimate ruler of libya, therefore, he can (and should) be targeted.

05-01-2011, 12:57 PM	#88
moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	It's easy to say things like theking who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. 'We should just go in and kill everyone then just leave, fuck rebuilding.' So what you want to do is oppress people through your military, making sure they are never able to rebuild and get revenge by continuous bombing? Do you know what would happen if you just went and bombed a country then left them in shambles? You better hope they NEVER come back because if they do eventually YOU will be their target. So what can you do? Just keep making sure they are weak by continuously bombing and oppressing them? What the US needs to do is stop being such a greedy nation and understand that not having control of all resources is more a call to better innovation than a call to arms. At one point the US was the capital of all technology in the world. Now? The capital of all things bad. It's up to good Americans like Robbie that understand that killing isn't just what you do as a first or second resort. It is a last resort to be used only in defending yourself and never to push your ideals or beliefs on someone.

05-01-2011, 01:00 PM	#90
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,914	let's not forget, this is NOT a u.s. motivated event. obama did not even reveal that we would be a part of the coalition until after the initial nato attack. u.s. is a part of the west in this.

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dynastoned mmm yeah! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: roseville, ca Posts: 5,061	our government just does what the fuck it wants these days. doesn't ask anyone just moves in and starts bombing. it's getting pretty fucking pathetic and nobody seems to give a fuck. they use this UN/NATO bullshit as a cover and it gives them free reign to do whatever they like.

05-01-2011, 04:22 PM	#98
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